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**Video Poker, Keno, Slots, 21** Gaming machines => IGT PE and PE Plus Poker Games => Topic started by: polishdan on February 10, 2022, 04:20:18 PM
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I have a superboard, how does the wingboard attach? I am planning on adding some games.
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You remove the CMOS RAM and Data chips on the MPU board and the wingboard plugs into those sockets.
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so, what are my alternatives? I really want a 9/6 straight poker machine. or the next best thing to it. I think the over riding question, is how can I change from my current double double bonus poker to a straight jacks or better? I would love to have a dozen games, but that's not possible with the PE plus setup I have. .
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Easy. Change the game software. You have a superboard that supports multi-poker software sets (5 games in each set), pick one that has your J or B 9/6. This is the set I run on mine, it has it.
XM00001P P77A 99.20 Multi-Poker (Bonus Poker Four-of-a-Kind) CG2174 CAPX2174
XM00001P P200A 98.50 Multi-Poker (Bonus Poker Deluxe)
XM00001P P34A 100.80 Multi-Poker (Deuces Wild)
XM00001P CA 99.50 Multi-Poker (Jacks or Better)
XM00001P P324A 100.20 Multi-Poker (Double Bonus Poker)
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I am needing to buy parts, Can you recommend who is reliable and has an interest in making sure you get the right parts for the right machine. Looking for full set of buttons for both my S+ and PE plus. I just finished a nightmare of tracing down a non working micro switch- after sanding down the gunk on the terminals, brought it back to life. are the guys on this board a good source for parts? Thanks for the info on the chips. By any chance do you know of a Youtube video of someone swapping out game chips on an MPU?
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Yes, vendors here are reputable or they wouldn't be here. You can probably get a set of chips from member RB, but the CAPX chip you might have to look around for.
I'm not aware of any youtube videos, but it's not a difficult thing. Remove the old game software, put in the new, clear the errors and that's about it.
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The vendors on the home page have NOT paid for advertisements. They were offered banner ad's by our late "great" host Joey because they are the good ones.
If you let them know you are from NLG they will treat you right. I suggest you call them and not necessarily go through the web site.
JIM and RB are on the forum and can often get you parts quickly as well.
In this case a PE+ MPU board for a slant top is the same as a MPU board for the uprights. The metal trays the board sits in is a bit different but thats it.
To remove a chip - you can get chip extractors - which I find very horrible to use. I think someone created these to make a buck. Kind of like a special pooper scooper when a plastic bag or shovel will do.
Looking at the chips they should all have labels on them. If you can see the little glass windows on the top that is not good. EPROMS are eraseable using ultraviolet - left exposed to light long enough they may go bad. Usually to erase them you need high intensity UV for 20min so don't worry that they were exposed to the room light for a couple of hours but you do want a label on them to cover the little window and also so you know where they came from... ie a MGO chip looks just like a MBO chip.
You won't get into trouble for putting the wrong chips in the wrong sockets (yes we will judge and laugh at you - but you won't be in trouble) - in the case of a MBO and MGO chip - B is for Blue and G is for Green and the consequences is that you will have the wrong colors. You put the Program and Data chips in the wrong sockets the machine won't start. No harm no foul - just put them in the right spots. The cavet is that there is an orientation to the chip that you do need to pay attention to.
Use a small flat head - gently put it under one end of the chip and wiggle it so the chip starts to come up - then do the same at the other end.
You don't want to wedge the chip up as you risk bending the pins so bring it up a bit from each end at a time until it comes loose. Take your time.
a chip extractor is meant to clip on each side of the chip and allow you to pull straight up. It slips off more often than it grips and people have pulled legs right out of the chips as the are gripped too tight in the sockets - your better off with a screwdriver.
Now that you have the chip out (here is the cavet) - The first thing to observe is that the chip will either have a knotch in it or a small hole on one end.
Next look at the socket - you will see that there is a notch on the socket - when a chip goes back in just make sure the notch on the socket is at the same end as the one on the chip.
Not a lot of rocket science here - however if you put the chip in backwards you will fry it - so lets try not to do that.
Ideally store your chips pressed into some non-static foam or a chip tube. Where will you get these items ?? When you buy new chips they will come either in a chip tube or non-static foam. Just reuse the ones that came with your new chip set. I keep mine in a box in a drawer (away from light sources).
When pressing in the chips into the sockets make sure all the pins are aimed at the right spots and gently press each end and make sure the pins go down into the holes - its easy to do it too fast and one leg buckles and slips under the chip and you don't notice its bent until you put the whole machine back together and something doesn't work - then you start pulling them out one by one... and as murphy says its always the last one to be found. S+'s have but two chips - these have 8 chips.
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I have my wingboard on the way, will I need to have a clear chip set too, to make the installation?
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Not normally any use for a clear. You'll need a SET to set the machine denomination and enable the bill validator.
I'm surprised you were able to find a wingboard, congrats on that.
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I'm surprised you were able to find a wingboard, congrats on that.
:I_agree_1: :I_agree_1: :I_agree_1:
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Not in my hands yet, but on the way.
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Will any IGT PE+ set chip work, I have found one on EBAY "Bill Validator Set38 Chip". the date on this is 1989. Also comes with a clear chip.
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It depends on the game program you going to use. I have XMP00017 which calls for SET4.
I'd check with RB rather than ebay and I'd definitely stay away from jjslots.
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will do, thanks for watching my back.
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OK, installed the wingboard by removing cmos & data and plugging into the 2 chip slots and the 8 pin out on the finger.
What did I do (or not do) wrong? BV accepts and credits properly, but I only have the original game available.
Reinstalled the MPU, and got a cmos error. After several resets and a jackpot key or two, it came back up but there was no change in enabling any of the new games.
Possibilities? I didn't securely mount wingboard (I thought I did)
I have a set038 and a 123 clear that I haven't used.
The good news is that I can still run DBL DBL Bonus just as before, but I can't understand how that even came back.
HELP!
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On other tidbit in the mystery, I pulled out x002067P and on the new board, it has a x002068P. The wingboard is working because I now get 2x payout paid vs. 1x payout with the original chip.
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/Smileys/default/Scratch-Head.gif (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/Smileys/default/Scratch-Head.gif)
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What program and CG set are you using? Only certain sets are compatible with the wingboard.
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XP000023 and CG2275, and if i need to change these where can I get them?
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That's the problem. You need a multi-poker program (XMP) and compatible CG files. I have XMP00017 and CG2298. The EPROM files are the easy part. You can download them from MAME sites. The difficult part is the CAPX chip with is a old bipolar PROM and most EPROM programmers can't program them. There's an adapter that will allow the use of a regular EPROM in place of the PROM some information can be found here and on the old site:
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=335.msg947#msg947 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=335.msg947#msg947)
Post a WTB classified and maybe you'll get lucky and find an original CAPX PROM or an adapter? You managed to find the wingboard, maybe you can do it again?
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You gotta bear with me, I am a newbee. Is CAPX the same as "CGxxxx" chip. do I need 4 of these (MRO, MGO, MBO, MXO)? And I also need to find a MPX00017 (replace my MP000023 in program C37 slot). If I can find these, this should duplicate your success.
THX
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No it's a smaller 20pin chip at U43. It's usually (but not always) matches the CG chip numbers as a set. Do you have an EPROM programmer? I can send you the files or a MAME site link to download them from.
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Got it, this is really an educational process.
I need - 1 XMP00017, 1 set (MRO/MGO/MBO/MXO) CG2298 (I have also read that cg2426 and cg2451 work as alternates), and CAPX2298
I need to replace 6 chips to get there. Is this correct?
What is downloadable and how do i move that from my computer to the chip?
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Yes, and then games you want to install too. Here's a link to a set from a MAME site that has a set and 5 games with it too. You can burn all of them except for the CAPX chip with pretty much any EPROM programmer. You can try it with your CAPX chip and see what happens. It just contains the color information, so if it's not compatible your colors will be off is all.
https://wowroms.com/en/roms/mame-0.139u1/players-edge-plus-xmp00017-5-in-1-wingboard-cg2298/6008.html
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Downloaded successfully, need to find someone to burn it and need to take a look at the games. THX
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? Can I run any of these game programs on my windows 10, if I download one of the MAME emulators? That would be a nice test drive.
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Yes, you can run the PE+ games in MAME. Please visit the MAME section of the site (here (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?board=48.0)) for posts about that, and create a new topic there if you need help getting it up and running since that's outside the scope of this section of the site.
As far as your wingboard in your real PE+ machine, I'd like to direct your attention to the pinned post here in the PE+ section if you haven't already seen it, which lists known compatible chips. Specifically, in addition to the XMP00017 that was already mentioned, another member reported success using XMP00030 on his machine, along with graphics chips CG2298. Click here for a direct link to the how-to guide. (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=338.0)
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Failed! I could only source 5 of 6 chips needed, but I thought I would give it a test.
Removed XP000023 and Installed XPM00017
removed CG2275 (set MRO, MGO, MBO, MXO) and replaced with CG2298
Have not yet found a source for CAPX 2298
initial multi poker board "select game" comes up, but once a game is selected, I cannot see cards, only a few graphics are viewable in each game. Buttons (hold, bet 1, bet max, etc.) all work - i blindly won a fer hands AND even won "double down".
I am going to post WTB for the CAPX2298.
In the meantime, I am going to return to the original configuration.
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Well hang on, you might be close. The CAP(X) chip just controls the color palette available to the game. As such, even with the wrong CAP(X) chip installed, most everything should work -- just possibly with some incorrect colors.
This is hitting the edge of the gray matter in my brain, but look on your board and see if you see a jumper labeled E16 or E17. Move it to the opposite position as to what it's currently jumped to, and see if that makes a difference. If it doesn't resolve the issue, move the jumper back to where it was so your original game will function correctly.
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I finished restoring all original chips and configuration and that was an education, including set chip for BV, CMOS errors, etc. At this point I have no fear and will try the dip switches to see what happens. The colors were not an issue. THX
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Tried 2 different wingboards - same results
Moving jumper from 16 to 17 OR removing the jumper produced a white master game screen (pic#2). Retaining the jumper on 16 worked best.
best results - Joker poker showed a garbled card that I think was the joker (pic #5A)
Game selection screen looked normal (pic #4)
other 4 games showed almost nothing (pic #3)
double up function works
?????
Thanks, Dan
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Your problem is with the graphics, change your CapX and your going to be golden.
BrianT created a spreadsheet that aligns what game sets are known to work with what Graphic sets. This goes beyond what is documented as the "right" graphic set.
Non-superboard kits require less memory than a superboard game.
If you are using a non superboard kit you need to move the jumper to restrict the amount of memory addressing so the game will play.
It was possible that in a previous life the jumper was in the wrong spot.......
The other item of note is that with the non-superboard games you don't have a program chip - just the game chip.
To get Blackjack to play on a superboard I had to move the jumper.....
I love the PE+ platform but my biggest criticism is the number of chips I need to replace during a game change.
My solution was just to buy more boards - I have several non-superboards for games like blackjack, and a couple of superboards - One has a Stud game on it, One has a wingboard, and the last is one of the stock multi-game set. Takes me 20secs to swap boards, and 20min to swap chips.
If you load up your wingboard with non-superboard games the advantage is that you widen the number of games that are compatible as you now only need them to be compatible with the graphics chips. Or mostly compatible.... as many graphics sets will work even if the colors are only slightly off.
The wing board basically injects the "menu" feature which allows you select from the 5 games. It would be unusual for a wingboard to inject video problems you have. Once again get a different capx and you will be golden.
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I am having a real problem sourcing a CAPX2298, which from my research is the right CAPX for a wingboard. I have posted in classifieds without a response. Is there any sourcing for this chip or a substitute that you know of? THX.
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There is no specific CAPX for a Wingboard.
A game set consists of a Game Chip, Program Chip, and the associated graphics chips which are the MGO,MRO,MYO, MXO and CAPX
The Wing board simply allows you to use 5 different Game Chips - BUT each of the game chips MUST work with a common Program Chip and a common set of graphics.
Which narrows down which games are able to be used as a collection on the wing board.
If you had one game that used a 2252 Capx and another that used a 7787 Capx they could not be used on the wingboard together and using them with 2298 doesn't fix the compatibility issue.
You would need to find 5 games that all run with 2252 or 5 games that all run with 7787 or 5 games that run with 2298.
and in addition to sharing the same CAPX they all must ALSO share the same program chip and MGO,MRO,MYO, MXO as well...
.....its sadly not just any 5 games of your choosing.
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You may want to read through this post from BrianT
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=23114.msg124246#msg124246 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=23114.msg124246#msg124246)
There is also a spreadsheet floating around that he created with most of the compatibilities mapped out.
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I understand, having done my homework earlier, (including Brian's article) I chose to go with x2298 because of the wide selection on compatible games. But I can't find a capx2298. Where should I start looking? Thx
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Have you check with whoever you got the wingboard from? They may have one. I'd check with Badbaud, they may have one or be able to make you one?
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To that point there are a few CAPX mods people have made.
The easiest is a small socket that fits into the onboard CAPX socket
Then a larger chip 27C256 socket is mounted on top and the CAPX contents are burned into this chip.
As noted before the chips used for CAPX are not being manufactured anymore, and due to the style most low cost burners can't write them anyways.
But most can read the chips - the contents is then read and burned onto one of the more common 27C256 chips.
The upgrade from this mod is that several CAPX chips are burnt on to one larger chip and then you use a dipswitch to select which one you want to use.
Again the instructions to build these are on the board and as pointed out by TILT some members here may be able to sell you one.
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I got the wingboard from Badbaud, and pm'ed him about the X2298, TKX.
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AARG! Got the CAPX2298 installed and NO CHANGE! I even tried 2 different chips that are CAPX2298, just in case. Is there a trick to reinitializing to get the right graphics? Do I need to do a set chip? I am really disappointed, but I think the answer is here somewhere.
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Do you have the right MGO MXO MRO MYO to go with the capx ?
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2298 - this should be the same setup Tilt has
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If you have changed out your capx twice and the results are the same..... then its something else.
I would try changing your other graphics chips.
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I have the original set of MBO/MXO/MGO/MRO 2275. are you saying that I should try them and see what happens?
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Worse case is that your graphics look worse...... you can always swap back.....
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BINGO! I can now play 5 games after putting back in the original graphic chips. Game selection board is a mess, but for now I can live with that. TKXXXXXXXX!
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Is there a trick to reinitializing to get the right graphics? Do I need to do a set chip?
No, and no.
I'm not trying to be a smarty-pants with that answer, but no, there's no special procedure or programming needed for the wingboard to work -- just compatible chips and possibly moving the previously mentioned jumper.
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Moving the 16/17 jumper - no change. I installed 5 better odds chips, now i will go for my ultimate game list. Thanks to all, this has been an adventure. If anybody has the graphics answer for the game selection board, bring it on.
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I'm not sure which CG/CAPX set you're using now. To use CG2298 set the jumper needs to be in J17 position. Probably for your other 2275 it needs to be in J16. My non-wingboard multipoker uses CG2174/CAPX2174 and the jumper has to be in J16 anyhow. Here's a pic of my MPU, you can look at the other jumpers too to see if it matches yours.
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One other thing. The game you want to play has to be compatible with the CG/CAPX software too. You can't just toss anything on them and have it work (unfortunately). Here's a list of what is supposed to be compatible with 2298. Get a set working first and then experiment with other games.
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=1418.msg11611#msg11611 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=1418.msg11611#msg11611)
BTW: I just noticed I have a mistake on one of my game labels. The program for Double Bonus Poker I'm using is X000515P..whoops :banghead:
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I have tried all permutations of 2298, 2275, 1321, 2298, switches 16 & 17. (like what you have) no better results, still a garbled game switch board, and a little video feed onto the games (almost not recognizable). It Plays, and I am happy. the only difference is the miniboard you have for the capx. If you wake up in the middle of the night with the answer, post it. THX
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OK. Well if you want I'd be glad to check your software for you if you want. No charge other than postage to get it back to you.
That's an adapter I have for the CAPX chip. It lets you use a 27C512 EPROM in place of the hard to find and program real CAPX chip. There's a lot of information about it on the old NLG board.
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The mini board is simply an adapter.
The small chips used for CapX are not made anymore and blanks are not too common to comeby.
It also takes a special Eprom burner to write one, but most can read.
The hack is to get a 27c256 chip which can be read/written even with the cheapest of burners and make an adapter.
Instructions to build this board can be found in one of the posts.
This allows you to backup your CapRoms and re-write/restore them at will.
My suspicion is that you have one of the MXO, MRO, MBO, MGO chips that is either faulty, semi-faulty or mis-labled.
Since you have both PE+ and S+ machines I would recommend you get an Eprom Burner - this will allow you to read the chips and the chip number is in the header of the binary.
They are relatively inexpensive on Ebay, Amazon, AliExpress and simply plug into the USB port of your PC.
The same binaries are used with Mame so at the very least you could compare the checksum of the chip to the checksum of the widely available mame binary
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Just a point of clarification.....
I mentioned a 27C256, TILT mentioned a 27C512 but you could even get away with a 27C64 as the binary from a Capx is very small.
The numbers are the memory size of the chips.
The larger the number the more information the chips can hold.
The S+ uses 27C256 ... but you can use a 27C512 and just write the binary to the chip with an offset.
Memory space is read top down but written bottom up. SO if your going to use a 27C512 in place of a 256 then you need to offset where your writing to use the end of the chip.
Why use a larger chip ? you might ask... when I buy chips I might order 40 blanks at a time and its just easier and usually cheaper to buy this way that 4 of a particular version and 6 of another.
The larger ones are then also universal and you can use them for any application and not have to search for a particular size.... where as the 256 version could not be used for the PE+ just the S+
But a 512 could be used for either....
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Thanks Jay. Very true. I use Winbond W27C512's everywhere I can because they're cheap, fast (45ns access time), and electrically erasable.
Often it involves creating and writing a larger than original file (writing the same file sequentially), so that it's addressed correctly by the MPU, but that's an easy task with a Hex editor. I use Hexedit 3.0. Freeware and works well for editing .bin files.
You could also offset the programming address so it's where the MPU will expect it to be, but I find it easier just to cut/paste the code 1/2/4/8 times and then address jumpers don't normally matter either.
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The CAPX2298 is original IGT chip, (I actually found a couple). I got the 2298 MXO, MRO, MBO, MGO from RB. You are saying that those may be the culprit and I need a new set? on a 27C512 EPROM. I have a nephew that can program a chip and (if I have this correct) just send him the chips and files. Please verify that I have this right.
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You either have a software problem, a hardware problem, or a configuration problem. I was just offering to help you determine which by testing in a known good system is all.
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THANKS !!!! to everyone on this board who has really helped a "tin horn newbie" take a busted PE+ from not running to a high paying multi game machine that got "2 THUMBS UP" FROM MY WIFE! Special thanks to Tilt who really got me over the finish line. The final trick after getting in good CG's was moving the jumper on the 16/17 pin. Now shopping for a game king to soup up! VIVA LA Wingboard!
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Great to hear you got it up and running, congratulations! :applause: Enjoy!
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Congratulations on getting it up and running. For the benefit of someone seeing this thread in the future, what was the ultimate issue? Were your CG chips bad?
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Yep, CG's were bad. The files were put on a 512 chip instead of a 256 chip and that didn't work out very well. Very happy and learned a whole bunch. Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks!
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Excellent, thanks for the follow-up and congrats on having a fun custom multi poker game!