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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S and S-plus Reel Games => Topic started by: Blainedett2000 on October 31, 2023, 03:48:48 PM
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I recently purchased this slot machine and haven’t had much luck with it. It’s showing error “low battery 61” I have replaced the 3.6v battery and nothing has changed. I checked the connection at the mpu and it’s showing 3.7v. Also it’s rejecting quarters (I’m assuming because of the battery error). Also when I turn the key on the side above the power off the screen reads “ display fault”. I haven’t been able to find much about my machine online and what I have found shows a different display screen. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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61 is not low battery: http://www.newlifegames.net/igterrors/ (http://www.newlifegames.net/igterrors/)
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Please post a picture of your machine so we can properly identify it. A S+ doesn't usually have an alphanumeric display.
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Is this an S+ Barcrest model?
We need to see a photo of your machine to help you further.
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I recently bought my first slot machine. Former owner told me the coin comparator was acting up and it wouldn’t let coins through (they just get stuck in the comparator). After I got it home I noticed a low battery 61 error. I changed the battery and got 3.7v on the board. After putting the mpu back in the error didn’t go away but after some time it did and of course a new error popped up “xtra co 30”. I turned it off and back on just to find the low battery error was back. Any suggestions on what to do next would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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I replied to your previous thread on this too, but please post pictures of your machine so we can be sure what you have.
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Thanks for the replies. I believe I have attached an image this time
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Thanks
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(Display fault)
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I'd never seen or heard of an S+ like yours until a couple of weeks ago from this thread:
https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=40805.0 (https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=40805.0)
Odd, that now two have popped up so quickly. I'd like to be of more help, but I don't have any documentation for a machine like yours. On a regular S+ after replacing the battery you'll get a 61 error which is telling you the CMOS data is invalid. There's a easy procedure to follow to clear that error for it. You could try it and see if it works on yours, I don't see how you have anything to lose.
http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/gamechange.htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/gamechange.htm)
Start where it says "Initializing the new game" and see what happens.
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How about a photo or two of the MPU board and a close up of the eproms...
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The only button I can find to reset the 61 error is the small silver one on the side of the mpu.
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can you post a close up photo of the "GAME" and "REEL" eproms...
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The only button I can find to reset the 61 error is the small silver one on the side of the mpu.
That's the one. In later models it was moved to the power switch area.
In looking at post of the SP/SS PROMs this is a S+ customized for Army too. I haven't been able to find any documentation for the SP chip, but they are different from regular SP PROMs. Unless someone comes along who worked on these things or has information for them it's going to be trail and error trying to get it reset and operational again. You may be able to swap out the ARMY SP PROM with a normal one and then it may be like a regular S+ machine. That would probably disable the center display, but other than that I think everything else would work normally. That might be worth a shot too.
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I wonder if these are similar to Bally E-2000 machines made for the Army? the big difference on those machines, in order to get the reset and test switch to work on the hopper you had to activate the key switch on the side of the machine.
I see that there is a toggle switch on your machine as well, operated by a key. maybe you have to turn it in order to get anything to respond.
I would think if you put in normal SS and SP chips that would correspond to the glass, unhook that display, the machine should act as a s plus??
Jim
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So far nothing has changed. I’m going to get new chips. The sp game chip is sp629, the reel chip is ss3701. I’m new to all this so I just want to check to make sure I’m right. Someone mentioned getting a regular sp chip… I’m not sure what number chip to order for that. Also I need help identifying the CMOS chip. I’m not sure where it is on the MPU board. Thanks for all the help this far!
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U51
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Thank you…. Looking at it now I’m not how I missed that!
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I would just change the SP to SP731. You need the reel chip you have so the payouts match your glass. Here's a link to 5CM Wild Cherry from the S+ Bible, if you notice your payouts are quite different.
http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%205CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Wild%20Cherry%20(5%20Coin%20Multiplier).htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%205CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Wild%20Cherry%20(5%20Coin%20Multiplier).htm)
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I wonder if these are similar to Bally E-2000 machines made for the Army? the big difference on those machines, in order to get the reset and test switch to work on the hopper you had to activate the key switch on the side of the machine.
I see that there is a toggle switch on your machine as well, operated by a key. maybe you have to turn it in order to get anything to respond.
I would think if you put in normal SS and SP chips that would correspond to the glass, unhook that display, the machine should act as a s plus??
Jim
I assumed that toggle switch was a key operated power switch and the jackpot reset keyswitch is right above that? I'm not sure what the small circuit board in front of those two switches is though. It's protected by a metal cover.
I was thinking the same thing, but just the SP chip as the reel chip only has the strip/paytable data and others from the S+ bible don't match is glass. I wonder that the payback percentage on it really is though?
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This switch setup is very unusual.
I've circled that small circuit board with the metal cover, does it have a keyhole on the outside of the cabinet?
The toggle switch below that, is protected with a keyed bracket....is that your "power switch"?
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Key switch in the middle of the machine on the side (bottom) turns everything on and off. The one above that is the jackpot re set. As far as the one you’re pointing out I’m not sure what it is but there is nothing on the outside of the machine for it
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okay thanks....at the moment, I have no idea what that small circuit board is for and I've been working with these S+'s since the 90's.
At work, there's still quite a few of these cabinets live on the floor but they don't have the power switch in that location, nor that small circuit board.
Your cabinet is a somewhat older type, but still an S+ model....it's just that the ARMY chips are hard to find documentation for.
I agree with the guys suggestions of replacing your SP chip with a more common SP731, to see if you can get it to work with the SS REEL PROM chip that's in there.
In the other thread about a similar S+ cabinet, we were NOT successful in getting it to run right yet....their display doesn't work like yours does.
Those ARMY SS chips don't seem to like to work too well with any others that do not have the ARMY labels.
Your topic does interest me tho....I have some ARMY chips at work I'd like to experiment with to see if I can help.
Unfortunately, I won't be in my workroom until next Monday to try them.
Hopefully, you'll get you machine running the way you want before then.
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I have some parts on the way. I ordered two sp chips to try the 629 and 731. I also got a new reel chip to try. I’m sure it won’t change anything but I figured it’s worth a shot, I got 3759/3760ss. I also got a new generic cmos to try. The only problem I might have is if I still have to reset my machine after installing all the new chips. I’ve searched everywhere in my machine and can’t find any other buttons.
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This is the outside of the small circuit board. I can’t really tell but it looks like there is a small led light on the inside.
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On the inside, it does look pretty simple enough to remove the cover and see the circuit board itself?
I don't think anyone knows what it's for tho, it may be a casino-placed sensor of some type.....what it does tho, is unknown.
Even the display panel is unusual....I've only seen that a couple of times but didn't get into it.
I remember uninstalling it and swapping MPU boards & chips to a different game.
(That explains where I originally got the ARMY chips from.)
I've long since lost that display and the driver boards that hook up to it with the ribbon cable.
I searched for it last week in our storage room....must of gotten tossed.
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When I get home from work I’ll take the metal cover off that small board. I have tried to unhook it to see if that would change any of the errors I have but no luck on that either.
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As for the outside key-activated power switch, one reason I see it's for is possibly some sort of time restriction or jurisdiction rule.
For example, offshore ship casinos can only turn on their slots once they're 20 miles offshore, the ARMY may of only turned ON their machines in the Officer's Clubs when the bar opened? :arrowthruhead: :rotfl:
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Here is the sheet for the SS3701 chip looks to be 93.68%
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https://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=14168.0 (https://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=14168.0)
This link is to the old site where similar machines were posted.
Thanks,
Wayne
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Sounds like I need to change my chips and see what happens. Once they get here I will post an update. I’m just curious if I will still have to reset my machine after installing the new ss,sp and cmos chips to clear any old errors or if it will automatically do it? I still have not found a reset button….
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I’m just curious if I will still have to reset my machine after installing the new ss,sp and cmos chips to clear any old errors or if it will automatically do it? I still have not found a reset button….
You will probably get a code [61].
At that point, you hold in the test button for like 3 seconds, and you will see the display change to [61-1].
Now you close the door, then turn the reset key momentarily, once.
The reels will spin from right to left, and then the "Insert Coin" message should come on the display.
There is no such thing as a "Reset button" on an S+ slot machine.
There is a "Test" button switch (Which is a little white momentary button) that may be located in front of a power switch box, behind the power switch box, or on the front side of the MPU tray enclosure.
In your case, it's located on the front of the MPU enclosure, just above the door harness connector that has mostly orange wires on it.
It's just to the left of the grounding nut.
Just for kicks, hold that Test button in for about 3 seconds, and watch the display.
The Jackpot Reset key is that key on the outside of the cabinet, under the pull handle, and located above what is your power keyswitch, on your unusual cabinet.
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Amazingly that fixed it! Thanks a million times over. I just had to “reset” it in that sequence. The only error I need to fix now is hopper empty 31
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Update: everything seems to be working fine. The only problem is when I try to cash out the coin hopper makes a humming noise like it’s trying to work but eventually the screen will read “hop emp 32” the hopper is about half full of quarters. Any suggestions?
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Is the hopper turning or just humming? If it's not turning then check the brake on the back of the motor and make sure it's not stuck. Also check inside the hopper to make sure nothing is jammed. Glad you were able to reset the errors and get it running :applause:
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Yes with the brake released it still won’t spin. I tried to spin it by hand and it will only move back and forth just a little bit not much at all. I’m thinking something is locked up inside.
And yes it’s nice to actually use the machine regardless of the coin hopper issues. thank you to you and everyone else who helped along the way. I will be making a donation to this page. I have very little experience with these machines so any knowledge is very much appreciated!
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With the brake disengaged you should be able to turn it by hand, but it has some resistance. Empty the hopper and see if a screw or other non-coin object may have found its way in the hopper jamming it up.
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Glad it's running!
The hopper probably hasn't been serviced for awhile.
It's not hard to do.
Here's a way you can test the hopper operation...>>>
Open the door, turn on the power switch, watch the display as you press the little Test button on the MPU enclosure about 5 or 6 times, until you see the number "6".
Now you are able to try two things, press the spin button on the deck, OR turn the Jackpot Reset key once.
Either action will turn on the hopper, and run until 10 coins go thru the hopper optics.
If you watch the display, you will see it count to 10 as it's spitting out coins.
Since your hopper is jammed at the moment, it may or may not turn and try to payout ten coins.
But running the hopper test might allow you to see what's going on with your hopper operation.
To get OUT of the Test, just close the machine's door.
What do you have in the hopper bowl right now, nickels or quarters?
Can you show us a youtube video of your hopper running?
We may be able to tell you how to fix it.
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I took everything apart on the hopper and cleaned it with air. After reinstalling it everything seems to be working smoothly!
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Great job :applause:. Now you're the NLG ARMY S+ slot expert :yes: