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NEWBY ..S+ red white blue that dosen't register coin credits
« on: February 27, 2022, 05:23:32 PM »
I just got a S+ red white blue that takes the coin into the hopper but doesn't register any credits.  I have cleaned the optics sensor and believe the comparator is working.

Is there a chance there is a setting i might have messed up that caused this?

I'm still digging but thought someone might know this one easily.

Thanks
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Re: NEWBY ..S+ red white blue that dosen't register coin credits
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2022, 06:12:22 PM »
Right behind the coin comparitor is a big White Molex connector with mostly orange wires going into it....pull it apart and push it back together a few times.

It's possible the a ground wire could be oxidized or broken.
Rubbing the pins by connecting and reconnecting might give you a better connection.

If not...I have no idea what to tell you....you didn't tell us if this accepted and registered coins before.
What type of coin do you have in the comparitor?
It has to "compare" the coins you're trying to use.

Do some reading on adjusting the coin comparitor too.
It's not that hard to do.....just turn the little screw on the CC fully counter-clockwise, then clockwise about a 1/4 turn to get it shooting a credit signal back to the MPU when a coin goes thru the optics.

BTW what "optics" did you "clean" and how?
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Re: NEWBY ..S+ red white blue that dosen't register coin credits
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2022, 08:14:22 PM »
Thanks for the reply. I just picked it up from someone and it was working before I brought it home. but it was sensitive. I did the sensitivity adjustment back and forth and left it at min sensitivity but tried it in the middle. The coin optics board seemed to have a black haze on everything I cleaned the actual optics.  I will try the optics test tomorrow. 

I do have a token in it. I made sure it was in the right way. It does send the token inside not to the tray below. That's why I thought it might be optics.

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Re: NEWBY ..S+ red white blue that dosen't register coin credits
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2022, 06:11:21 AM »
Hmm...your coin comparitor must be okay if the dial is sending coins to the hopper or drop hole.

Check the black wire on the CC harness for continuity with a multimeter...it's for ground....it could be broken instead of the tray.

Best way to check is to completely undo the harness from the machine and on the bench.

There's only a few connections...The main door harness, the CC, the Coin-In optics board and the CC rake.

The one you really want to look at is the small harness from this one below to the CC....it would be the bottom, black wire.
But no matter what, check all of those wires below for continuity.
Your ground wire might be okay, but there could be a broken data wire and that purple wire is the one that sends a signal to the coin in optics and back to the MPU for a credit.
That's why it's important that ALL of these wires I've pictured below MUST have continuity.
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Re: NEWBY ..S+ red white blue that dosen't register coin credits
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2022, 08:55:49 AM »
As to the coins going to the hopper - often the diverter solenoid has failed and is wire tied back....

The solenoid is pulled in allowing the coins to go to the hopper once a valid coin is received.
When the diverter solenoid fails -  a quick fix is to wire tie the diverter so all coins go to the hopper - good or not.
I have also seen people do this when the coin comparator has gone bad.
I would take a look and see if your diverter is being held in place.

SOOO... assuming anything put in the coin slot is going to the hopper - the most common reason for a coin not being registered as a credit is that the machine does not sense its door as being closed........


Do we know that the door is being sensed as closed ??
Press the white test button several times, close the door, the reels should spin and come to rest
Whats the candle doing ? is it lit, off, flashing ?

Is the Insert Coin Light on ? when the door is closed and ready to play ?

Do you get a test credit when you press the micro button on the optics ?
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Re: NEWBY ..S+ red white blue that dosen't register coin credits
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2022, 09:10:50 AM »
The insert coin light is on.  I believe that the door is closed. It lest me load via the bill validator and those credits are recorded.  I will still do the test to make sure as im not sure if the bill Validator works with the door open or not.

I do get the test credit when i push the micro button. I can get up to 2 credits.

The lower candle (Yellow) is fast flashing.  If i read right that might be the door. I assumed it was something else since the Bill Validator worked.

Maybe this is super simple and i missed the forest through the trees.

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Re: NEWBY ..S+ red white blue that dosen't register coin credits
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2022, 09:13:28 AM »
If it takes bills - and gives credits then your door is good.
If you can press the small credit button then your optic is wired properly and appears to be working.

Have you tried the popsicle stick test ?

This blocks each of the 3 optics and they go from 1 to 0
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Re: NEWBY ..S+ red white blue that dosen't register coin credits
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2022, 09:25:35 AM »
I didnt get a chance to do the popsicle test. That will happen tonight when i get home.

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Re: NEWBY ..S+ red white blue that dosen't register coin credits
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2022, 03:43:38 PM »
During the coin test it did not work for 10, but did for 11 and 12.

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Re: NEWBY ..S+ red white blue that dosen't register coin credits
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2022, 05:46:06 PM »
Time to order some new optics.....
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Re: NEWBY ..S+ red white blue that dosen't register coin credits
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2022, 06:09:56 PM »
You think the optics are bad?  Mine does the same thing test wise, but they work. 

The Input Tests section says "10_1 Coin in A  is activated only when coin comparitor accepts coins in door-closed game mode; go to COIN B input test." 

I'm not quite sure how you do that test and observe it too. 

11 and 12 change state when blocked.




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Re: NEWBY ..S+ red white blue that dosen't register coin credits
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2022, 09:18:00 PM »
Optics ordered and on the way. Thanks everyone for all the help.

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Re: NEWBY ..S+ red white blue that dosen't register coin credits
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2022, 07:18:11 AM »
your problem might have been solved by removing Q-2 or Q-4 from the optic board, a surface mount transistor with three legs.

this will fix the problem 99% of the time.

don't understand why everyone is so afraid to do this, it will not change how your machine works, everything will work as it should.

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Re: NEWBY ..S+ red white blue that dosen't register coin credits
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2022, 02:10:41 PM »
To add to Jim's Reply, below is a photo I've attached of an IGT S+ Coin-In Optics board with the highlighted Q4 chip.

This Q4 chip can be removed from the circuit board when problems like this occur with an S+.

It busts off easy with a pair of tweezers as it's only held on by three small soldering points.




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Re: NEWBY ..S+ red white blue that dosen't register coin credits
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2022, 02:21:30 PM »
For my knowledge - Are these different versions of the optic board with some having a Q2 and others having a Q4 ?? or do they all have both and you only need to clip one or the other ??

I guess if your at the point of ordering a new optic board there is no harm trying to simply clip the transistor.
- assuming you were prepared to spend the $$ there is nothing that you are going to do that is make you spend more and you might just save a buck or two based on the outcome.


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Re: NEWBY ..S+ red white blue that dosen't register coin credits
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2022, 03:36:54 PM »
They (IGT) made different versions Jay.
Some circuit boards had the Q2 chip, while other boards had the Q4 chip.
Whichever chip is on the circuit board doesn't matter....just snap it off with a small screwdriver or tweezers.

I noticed Jim didn't post a picture of one with a Q4 chip.
I had one laying around here on my bench so I took a photograph of it and posted.
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Re: NEWBY ..S+ red white blue that dosen't register coin credits
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2022, 03:49:14 PM »
I learn something new every day......  :hail:
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Re: NEWBY ..S+ red white blue that dosen't register coin credits
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2022, 03:55:37 PM »
I crush them with hemostats.


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Re: NEWBY ..S+ red white blue that dosen't register coin credits
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2022, 05:40:27 PM »
Ok, looking at the schematic Q2/Q4 and the associated circuitry enables or disables the Coin A photo-transistor.  Removing Q2/Q4 would prevent it from disabling the Coin A photo-transistor, so it will always be enabled.

So for those of you who have removed Q2/Q4 does the Input test 10 for Coin A optic work like test 11 and 12 (Coin B & C) optics do?  I would think it does. Can someone with a modified optic board verify that? 

On an unmodified board test 10 doesn't work.  The manual says the door has to be closed and game ready to play for it to work, but then you're not in the test menu anymore.  I don't see any way of testing it with the test menu unless I'm missing something?

Here's the schematic that shows Q4.  It's Q2 on the original board, but has the same function.


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Re: NEWBY ..S+ red white blue that dosen't register coin credits
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2022, 06:56:23 PM »
I just verified with an 1985 IGT S+ Coin-In optic board that has the Q4 chip removed,  that all three Input tests change to a zero when I put a Popsicle stick between the infrared beams.

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