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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S2000 and Vision Games => Topic started by: slotdoofus on September 20, 2016, 07:45:29 AM
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A while back, I had started a thread about getting my 4 reel S2000 up and running. This machine, (triple red hot 777's) is running the enhanced MPU board.
I had someone else look at this machine, but they weren't able to fix it.
I failed to mention something in the original post that is pretty important to consider when it comes to this machine and its' problems.
What I forgot to mention was that when I first fire up the machine, all of the back lit reel LEDs are locked on. They will stay locked on as long as the machine is powered up. The machine is currently down showing a coin in jam error, although the machine is not currently set up for coin-in, coin-out.
With the reel LEDs stuck on...where do I begin?
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On a four reel machine with enhanced it is normal for the reels to lock up when power is applied.
Coin in jam things to check( coinless machines)
Make sure the coin bypass plug is secure and well seated.(located in the middle of the button deck where the coin comparator would normally plug in).
Check I/O cards both door and cabinet.
With the LEDs staying on all the time I would bet it is a bad cabinet I/O card causing all of your problems. Check for bent or broken pins on the card also.
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on my 4 reel machine with enhanced board and led back lit reels they flash for less than a second and then go out for boot up. try unplugging the reel back light driver from your cabinet io board mounted to the side of the mpu box. you are having a problem with one or more of your senet devices.
a list of senet devices to check.
door io card or cards some have 2.
cabinet io card.
credit display on the right side of the door with the door closed. not the vfd on the left the vfd is netplex.
backlight driver board mounted on the back wall.
bet per line display.
also you may have a bad mpu or motherboard. sometimes your reels will spin backwards if its the mpu that is bad but i have only seen this on 500 boards not on any enhanced.
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If all the rest mentioned checks out ok. I would put my bet on a faulty Mpu.
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If all the rest mentioned checks out ok. I would put my bet on a faulty Mpu.
I have been seeing this kind of mpu failure a lot at my shop latly.
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Brief update...
This repair attempt will be different from the 1st time. This time, I have a fully working, identical machine that I can use to help trouble-shoot.
Yesterday, I installed the fully working MPU into the broken machine...same results.
Today, I plan on swapping out the I/O cards, etc.
On my 1st repair attempt, I replaced all of the I/O cards, the MPU, the motherboard....I haven't tried replacing any of the displays or the back lit controller board.
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I just removed the 3 I/O cards from the broken game and installed them in the working one. The working machine is still running fine. I guess it's not the I/O cards.
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Something worth noting from my 1st repair attempt...
I replaced the burnt female terminal on the connector that plugs into the I/O card on the inside of the door. This is the I/O card that's located towards the hopper, not the one located towards the button panel. The terminal that was burnt was pin #10...it's an orange wire.
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I may have found the problem...or at least, part of it.
I'm giving the I/O connectors a good inspection, both visually, and I'm also tugging on each individual wire going to the connectors. On the I/O board inside the door, I found that this terminal has worked its' way out of the connector housing. It's a yellow wire with a red stripe.
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I just noticed that the non-working machine is missing this ribbon cable.
I'm guessing that I need this cable....?
If so, does anyone have a spare they'd sell?
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I think you don't need that unless you have tito.
You can always remove it from the working machine and see if there is difference. If you need the ribbon cable I have them cheap.
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Ohio Gaming is correct, the ribbon cable is not needed unless you have TITO.
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A loose wire on that connector may cause the problem depending on where it goes. Yellow wires i think are normally buttons i will check when i get to work.
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update...
The machine is up and running now...no coin-in jams yet.
Everything works except the digital displays to the left of the reels and the multi-denomination lamp board isn't lighting.
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Both are senet related the denom pannel is ran off the credit display on the right. Are both cables on the back of the bet per line display connected?
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Yep.....both connectors are connected.
I even swapped out the multi-denomination lamp board w/ a different one...still no lights.....even though I'm not certain either LED board was any good to begin with.
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I'm thinking what you have is an addressing problem with your senet devices. One device is either bad and is "talking" for lack of a better word when it should not or you have more harness damage i just got to my shop I'm going to pull out one of my spare button panels and see what the wire that was loose goes to.
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My guess is that they are either not connected right, or the I/O card that controls them is bad.
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Did you ever check the coin comparator bye pass plug that I asked about?
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Yes, I re-seated that plug several times.
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Yellow red wire is a button on my spare button pannel.
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Although the machine isn't up and running 100% just yet.....I want to give a BIG thank you to you guys for helping me get this machine up and running. I really do appreciate the help.
Now to find time to figure out why the digital displays and multi-denomination lamp board aren't working now.
One step at a time......
It's sure beats the coin-in jam error I was getting.
Thanks again guys....
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I've noticed that I have a decimal point flickering on the 1st section of the 6-6-3 display, (the decimal right after the 1st digit).
Is this giving me a clue as to why my multi-denomination lamp board and digital displays to the left of the reels aren't working?
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I'm still working on getting this machine 100% working.
Here's where I'm at:
The machine plays fine, but the following items aren't working:
The 9 line digital displays
The multi-denomination lamp board, (touch pad works fine)
The bill validator lamp board
The spin reels button lamp.
All of these, (except the digital displays) have been replaced with known, working components.
Do all of these issues have anything in common with each other.
What should I check next? I have a fully working, almost identical machine, that I can swap parts with to help me nail down where my problem(s) lie.
Anyone?
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The button lamp, I would test the switch assemble with another button plug to see if it lights up. If it doesn't, then you need a new switch assembly. If it does, then you have a harness issue. I would test voltage to see if you are getting the 12volts. If you are not getting the 12 volts, I would trace the wire to the I/O card and see what the deal is.
Validator lamp board is the same issue, do a continuity test from the lamp board all the way back to the back of the validator.
The 9 line display, make sure yo have it hooked up right. I have a multi-line display, which should be connected similarly. Here's a photo on how mine is connected.
The white plug comes form the harness that goes to the backplane.
The multi-denom lamp board, I would replace the 6 6 3 display to see if the problem is not originating there, because I believe you had menitoned that the light works on another machine.
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I tried swapping out the 6-6-3....that didn't work.
In your picture, the black plug going to the 9 line display is going to the rear I/O card....mine is going to the front I/O card.
I guess it wouldn't hurt to swap the plugs going to those I/O cards.
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update....
Just swapped the plugs going to the I/O cards located on the door.
My multi-denomination lamp board is working now...but I get the following error:
Ten button I/O card not found.
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Now try swapping the positions of the door I/O cards
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Just tried that...
It's still telling me ten button I/O card not found.
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What I/O cards do you have? They should either be one 801 and one 802 or two 802s.
From my memory (I will confirm when I get home from work) on my machines the harness from the cabinet plugs into an 801 card that is located vertically on the door.(what you called the rear. Then that goes to the 802 card which is mounted at a 45 degree angle on the door, then it goes to the 9 line display.
Also is the 9 line display working? It may have blown out the I/O card. Try operating the game without the 9 line display wired in. . [blink]Update[/blink] : Hook up is like Rick's picture below. White plug from cabinet harness goes to the 9 line display, then from 9 line it goes to the 801 card that is vertical on the door, then that goes to the 802 card that is mounted at a 45 degree angle .
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This machine has the newer black plastic case type I/O cards...mdl14940201W
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How about the other machine?
I have only seen black plastic on three reel machines.
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It turns out that I had the 9 line display board plugged up wrong...not sure if I blew anything up or not.
Just took out the vertical I/O card...replaced it with a 802 I have lying around...now I'm getting coin in jam error....back to square one.....LOL
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Yep.....I'm definitely back to square one.
After getting the coin in jam....I did a clear. After before doing the key, while the game SB chip is in...after shutting the door this error comes up now:
Meter disconnected.
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Can't run a plastic I/O with 802 need to run two 802s or one 801 and one 802. If that doesn't work what happens when you go back to the plastic I/O cards? I/Os are pretty fragile and blow out easily. Slow down take your time think and confirm connections before you flip on the power.
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The machine I'm working on is a 4 reel triple red hot 7's
The other machine, (which originally had the black I/O cards) is a 4 reel triple double red hot 7's
I put the black I/o's back in the triple double...where they originally came from. That machine is doing fine, so I guess I didn't blow any of the black I/O's up.
I checked my other S2000 machines, (9 of them)...they all have the 801 I/O cards.
Which I/O belongs where? The 2 4 reel machines are the only ones I have that take 3 I/O cards. I'm guessing that one, or both of my spare 802 cards is/are bad.
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Does anyone have a couple 802 I/O cards they'd sell?
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I only have one triple lucky 7s four reel machine but it is a one line machine and does not have a 9 line display. ( Again I will check them when I get home from work) my 5 reel multi line machines use the 801/802 combination with a 9 line display. I also have a three reel machine with plastic I/O cards and a 9 line display I will check that one as well.
Rich
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I really appreciate the help.
Where does the 801 go? Where does the 802 go?
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White plug from cabinet harness goes to the 9 line display, then from 9 line it goes to the 801 card that is vertical on the door, then that goes to the 802 card that is mounted at a 45 degree angle .
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Thanks Qbert.....
Hoping to get this machine up and running 100% soon....it's driving me nuts!!!
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Here's the connector hook-up arrangement on the working triple double red hot 7's...
Wiring from cabinet, (mother board)...White plug, (identical to the I?O connector plugs)...connected to the back of the 9 line digital displays. The other 2 smaller black connectors to the lower left display board.
The "back side I/O, (vertical position) White plug from the top of the I/O...the other end of that short harness is a black connector that connects to the back of the 9 line display board.
The wiring harness coming out of the bottom of the vertical I/O board had a white plug that is connected to the angled I/O card that's inside the door.
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OK try this take the nine line display and the two working I/O cards from the working machine and put them in the none working machine hooked up the same way as the working one. If that works try swapping the 9 line display and you may find your problem.
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The nine line display is a different style....it had a 3-3-3-6 layout, instead of the 9 double digit style that isn't working.
Quick question....just went to do another clear on the non-working machine, after confirmong my I/O connections were correct.
When I get to the point where the machine reels spin...and it should tell you machine type mismatch, I'm getting the coin in jam error. I also noticed that when the reels spun before the error, the reels spun backwards. Is that correct?
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Ok....
I just tried this....
I took a 801 card out of a known working game...installed it in the vertical housing slot...I did a clear...when it gets to the point where the machine resets and should give you a machine mismatch, now I'm getting a meter disconnected error. I knoticed this time, when the reels spun, they spun in the right direction...
I'm getting more and more confused.
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Either 9 line will work try swapping plastic I/Os and the 9 line like I suggested before and let us know what happens.
On your current set up either the 9 line or the 802 card is questionable.
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Right now....with the machine still in error mode....the 6-6-3 displays are going nuts......
????
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I'll try swapping out the plastic I/O's and 9 line display tomorrow...it's time to walk away from this project for the day.
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A while back Neonkiss found that some of the newer enhanced mpu board required the use of the black plastic I/O cards. He was getting all kinds of weird errors using the older cards. You may need to source the black plastic I/O cards for this to work, since you probably have the newer enhanced board. Neon had a way to identify the board, I forget how that is done since I never had one of those boards.
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Rick,
I think you might be on to something there. I'm only able to get the machine to play while using the plastic I/O's.
I'm still trying to learn this stuff...appreciate all the help.
I have a source for 2 of the black I/O's...both with the long connector. Does anyone have the short connector style that mounts to the MPU housing?
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Today's update...
I installed the 801 and 802 cards in the triple double red hot 7's...that machine is still working fine.
I installed the black I/O's in my triple red hot sevens...did the clear and key, (key45). Got everything set up properly...game plays but still no 9 line displays, (I haven't tried swapping that just yet), the multi-denomination lamps are still out..touch pad works fine. The BV lamps are still out.
Here's where it gets weird....after playing a few games...I installed the 0042 sound sim...fire up the machine...I get a call attendant on the display...open the door, I get a bad eprom error.
Befoire I proceed any further, I'm going to get a new SB chip...then start over.
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Highly doubt it is the SB chip. Swap out the damn nine line already this is most likely your problem. Note some SBs will not take the DSV 42
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I plan on swapping out the 9 line tomorrow. Already bought on off ebay just in case.
I already know this game plays enhanced sound.
It's odd though...the triple double red hot 7's doesn't play enhanced sound.
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Here's this morning's update...
I took the 9 line display out of the broken machine...Installed it in the working machine...upon boot-up I get a meter disconnected error.
I took the working display and installed it in the broken machine...did a clear....Instead of it getting to the point where it should say machine type mismatch, I get a bad EEPROM error.
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By the way, I posted this pic earlier....I had replaced a burnt terminal (pin 10, orange wire). The way this machine was wired up when I bought it, This was connected to the back I/O, (vertically mounted).
Now that I have the wiring harnesses hooked up correctly, this burnt connector actually plugs into the back of the 9 reel digital display...connecting the display to the wiring harness that leads back to the motherboard.
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I've traced this orange wire back to where it connects to the motherboard...the door senet connector, (J9, pin 1)
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I would get that bad nine line far away from all of your machines it will hurt them. The EEPROM error occurred after the clear after the key turns? Make sure that burned connector is still making good contact.
I do not believe that you need plastic I/O cards the 801/802s should work fine just as they did in your red hot sevens.
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Yes, the bad EEPROM error came up after the key turns.
I'm keeping that display FAR away from my machines.
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You were right all along qbert....that digital display is bad...Not only is the cover missing from component L4, A capacitor, (C12) has puked all over the board.
Are these digital display failures all that common?
Thanks again for the help qbert....and everyone else.
Hopefully a replacement display will solve all my problems.
Will update once I have the replacement display installed.
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I have probably seen 3 of them bad in the last 4 years. And thats in a shop senarieo where i work mainly on s2000s. So I would say not really that common. Normally i see io boards and mpus bad.
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Last update...
The 9 line digital display was causing all of the problems.
I replaced it, the machine is 100% working now.
Thanks again, everyone, for all the help.