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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S and S-plus Reel Games => Topic started by: Tokoloshe on August 12, 2018, 07:07:17 AM
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So I typed a long messages but it all disappeared. long story short my SM is as dead as a doornail.
1 light comes on .. nothing else.
Tests that I can do ?
Please help.
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Welcome to NLG!
You posted in the S+ forum, is that what you have? Some pictures of your machine front and inside would be helpful. There is a connection on an S+ going to the mother board that could cause a power loss but there are a number of others too. Let's figure out your machine and we'll see what may be causing your problem.
Dave
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2 nd time round my LOOONG response bombs out... :Scratch-Head:
herewith Pictures..
please let me know where i can start testing .
apologies for the abruptness of my response but i type with 1 finger and it takes me ages to respond .
Again thank you for any and all help.
I will type my next response in word and copy paste rather.
Regards
J-P
PS the SM is for home use.
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Dave, I see on his pictures that the MPU says P.E. on it. Does this make it an S slot or maybe a M slot? Does it maybe not mean anything? The glass is reminiscent of an M slot
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its an early s+ narrow
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first thing slide board out and check battery it should read close to 3.6v
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its an early s+ narrow
Yep.
Has this machine ever worked for you or did you get it in this condition? Also there are fuses in the bottom, never hurts to check them. Even if the battery is dead it should light up. I've had batteries rotted clear off the board and the machine lit up. The displays were flashing like crazy but it did light up.
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Dave, I see on his pictures that the MPU says P.E. on it. Does this make it an S slot or maybe a M slot? Does it maybe not mean anything? The glass is reminiscent of an M slot
Yeah that glass does look like an M slot. Maybe they changed that belly glass out sometime. The top glass is for a Super Bar, T Bar/Cherry.
Dave
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Firstly :thank_you:
Really appreciate everyone's comments and suggestions.
Ill try and type again my answers as fast as possible.
So my family had been in the hospitality industries for a few decades and one of the most memorable pieces of kit that we ever owned was replica slot machine.
On my 40th and then again on my 45th birthday, My wish list included to own a replica SM ...
At he beginning of this year I started negotiating with a friend of a friend of a friend who told me his friend can organize a decommissioned SM. <Slot Machine>
Not expecting anything to come from it 3 weeks ago, yep almost a year later , I got the all clear and thumbs up :cool_thumb_up: . that i can come and collect one.
I drove over 2500 miles to collect the SM. so I was warned they might have been gutted . as t he SM was locked and I had no idea what was in side .. I though that even if i can push a few button and make the wheels spin with some PLC's etc.... but then i got he SM open and I saw all part inside.... i maybe could get the unit running.....
So i trolled the net and came upon this fantastic forum.
Machine was received as is.
Schismatics? So what its the correct model no of my SM?
1. Check fuses... ( essential) This is the 3 fuses behind the coin hopper thing... ( checked them all good)
2. Check Battery( Non essential ) Cant get the big silver box ( mother board housing) off or out....
3. Is there not a quick thing that they might have done to decommission the SM....
any schismatics?
So what its the correct model no of my SM?
Thanks again
J-P
(edit to remove incompatible font commands)
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remove the hopper then grab the black knob and lift up the tray will slide up the pull out
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As noted, grab the front and side handles of the hopper and pull it straight out of the machine. It rides in two brackets on the floor. You should then be able to get sufficient access to pop the MPU cage out. As previously noted, grab the black knob and lift straight up. Wiggling a bit front-to-back helps. It will be tight but should pop free. Once it's loose, tilt the top out a little from the side wall and continue to lift up and out.
You'll want to check the battery for voltage and also for any signs of leakage and corrosion. Not to rain on your parade, but the exterior condition of the machine says to me that it's been sitting a long while. I would not be surprised to find that battery leakage has eaten away at the MPU. No big deal - they are readily available.
Behind the hopper you should fine the power supply. Check and reseat all the connectors you can. If the machine's been sitting you will probably have some oxidation going on so reseating will help with that.
You also have a cable off on the door. Just above the ballast/starter for the light there's a 2-pin connector. I think I see the cable hanging in your photo. Get that plugged back in. That may get some lighting working.
First key thing though - let's see what the MPU looks like...
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Ok so I managed to wiggle the MPU Box loose.. and all looks ok.. the battery is DEAD!! no V, not even a twinge.
It looks like the board has been "removed" or "replaced" before as some of the screws holding it fast to the metal casing are gone.
I cannot see any "damage" on the surface or the face of the board.. Nor do I smell anything burnt.
Yep, this SM has been standing for probably more than 5 years I suspect, so anything could be possible.
No water or "exterior factors" damage can be seen anywhere, to be the cause of death to this SM.
I have "reseated" all connectors on the Power supply and everywhere that I can lay my hands on...
herewith pic of board
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You can replace that dead battery, get the type that has solder tabs or pigtail leads, either can be soldered to the board. The battery is a 3.6 volt lithium style. If you don't want to solder it yourself and don't have a friend to do it many cities have places that can do this for you. Places that sell batteries, like a Batteries Plus kind of store, often have a person working there that can solder batteries to circuit boards. If you are outside the USA (S. Africa?) perhaps there will be a similar place if you need it.
Those 2 socketed chips on the mpu board that have the bright pink or red labels are the main chips that control operation of your game. Read the labels and tell us what they say, look for something like SSxxxx on one chip and SPxxxx on the other.
The screws that attach the mpu board to the metal plate (the "tray") are not critical. You can space the screws that you have around the 4 corners of the board and then elsewhere depending on how many you have. You can take one screw to a hardware store or home improvement store to get more, just show it to the person working there.
It is ok to post more photos of the inside of the machine so that we know exactly what you have and are dealing with. Particularly photos showing more detail of the inside of the lower cabinet area, and of the inside of the main door.
The mpu plugs into another circuit board (called the motherboard). The motherboard has a power supply wiring harness attached to it. That connector often gets loose electrical contacts, can even get darkened places on it from the bad contacts overheating (see photo below). Inspect this connector on your motherboard to see if it is ok. Be sure to check the backside also. This is the potential problem Shaggy referred to earlier. This connector is how the power supply voltages get to the mpu board and other places, so it is important.
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Below are a couple of your photos, I've made a note where the white TEST button is located. When the machine is working well-enough you can press this white TEST button and access the builtin Test and Setup menus. The red digital readout displays on the front of the machine are used to show you the Test & Setup menu information.
The photo also shows the round blue wheel that is the sound volume adjustment. The coin comparitor is the part that decides if the inserted coin is accepted or rejected. Just below the coin comparitor are a pair of small circuit boards called the "coin optics" boards. One is mounted behind the other, the accepted coin passes between them and then goes into the hopper.
The door and the cabinet have a pair of small round brass-colored parts called the "door optics". These are the sensors that tell the machine when the door is open and when it is closed. One sensor is mounted to the edge of the door, the other sensor is mounted on the cabinet. They are mounted so that they will align next to each other when the door is closed and the locking latch bar is in the locked position.
The machine has a few fluorescent lamps, they have lamp ballasts and starters. Sometimes a bad ballast or starter can cause problems with the slot machine power supply. The starters are easily removed by twisting them and pulling outward.
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herewith the two pink EPROMS.
I Have no problem soldering
Yip Based in South Africa so part not here readily available.
I have a good batery supplier here in my City buy will only check tomo if he can help with this battery, else i will have to ask for assistance.
Ok I will go tonight and check everything out on the SM
On closer inspection. work has been done on some of the chips on the board.. i will send pics tomo
thanks again for all assistance
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The pink eprom with the SS1177 label crosses to this game on the NLG website S+ game page. But your glass is somewhat different than what is shown here. However I think it is the same game.
http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%205%20Line/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20T%20Bar-Cherry%20(5%20Line).htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%205%20Line/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20T%20Bar-Cherry%20(5%20Line).htm)
As you can see in the chart, the SS1177 chip on your mpu board gives the machine a 90% player win percentage.
The SP chip label looks like it says "SP142", I didn't find any info on that. This could be because your machine was built as an overseas/export model and our information on them is sometimes limited. The SP chip is what controls the overall operation of the machine and it has certain features & setting options, including builtin tests. The Setup/Options/Test menu is accessed by pressing the white SELF TEST button inside the machine. For each SP chip there is a document that gives the details of its features, without that document we will have to best-guess things. All SP chips have certain menu similarities so hopefully someone familiar with S+ SP chips can give guidance on that if needed.
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You are missing an IC at U18. It's an DUART com chip.
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Mine is also missing the U18 IC - doesn't affect anything since most home users aren't running communications anyway.
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Allrighty then.. so I have unplugged check tested everything I can that i know wont muck things up...
Still all the same.
Any specific test(s) i can start doing to point me in a direction into finding the root cause of my dead SM.
Any one know of someone in SA that has parts to part with ... ( maybe someone on this forum)
Thanks Again...
Not going to give up... but my first prize is to get SM working on original format... if this does not work... is there other options?
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We need to know all the symptoms or clues that you can provide about the machine, otherwise it is difficult to offer advice or suggestions. Naturally we aren't there to see what you see, so our only info is what you tell us and your photos.
What happens when the power switch is turned on? Anything light up on front of machine, like pushbutton lights or the red digital display above the coin slot? Are you sure all fuses are ok? Do you have a meter to measure voltage if needed?
When the machine power is OFF you can rotate the reels by hand easily, but when machine power is ON the reels should have a stiffness to being rotated by hand if they are getting power. Does this happen?
The mpu board plugs into another circuit board below it that is called the motherboard. How does it look? Any damaged cables? Remove the hopper and take a photo of the motherboard for us to see it.
On the side of the machine with the pull handle there is usually a metal idplate that has some information printed on it like model number. If that idplate is there post a photo of it.
Are there used slot machines for sale often in S. Africa, like online dealers or privates sales, newspaper, craigslist, etc? What is the availability of used machines? Are there casinos or cruise ships there that sell older machines when they are done with them?
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I'd also consider replacing the fuses, even though they seem to be good. I've had a handful of cases where fuses that test good somehow don't work and replacing them has solved the problem. Don't ask me how that's possible, but I have seen it with my own eyes. Also make sure the fuse holders seem to be holding onto the fuses well.
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I'll respond accordingly to your posts "rokgpsman".
We need to know all the symptoms or clues that you can provide about the machine, otherwise it is difficult to offer advice or suggestions. Is there anyway I can post a video of every test I have done.?
Naturally we aren't there to see what you see, so our only info is what you tell us and your photos. Video will make it so much easier.
What happens when the power switch is turned on? So when I Switch the SM on I hear the Buzz from the transformer. The Three reels vibrate / shudder at the moment I switch power on. Only one little light comes on. See Picture attached.
Anything light up on front of machine, like pushbutton lights or the red digital display above the coin slot? No Push Button, No Red Display Nothing else comes on not even if a flick the power button.
Are you sure all fuses are ok? I only know of the three fuses close to the power pack. However that been said there are few connectors down there that has not been connected but also cant see any place they need to go.. almost like something was removed... I saw a place where something was Val-crowed (sic) on, Dunno? maybe aftermarket mod?
Do you have a meter to measure voltage if needed? Yip, I know how to swing a spanner. point me in the right direction and I'll test away.
When the machine power is OFF you can rotate the reels by hand easily, but when machine power is ON the reels should have a stiffness to being rotated by hand if they are getting power. Does this happen? As you explained it exactly! Good news I hope .. means there is power to the reels.
The mpu board plugs into another circuit board below it that is called the motherboard. How does it look? Any damaged cables? Remove the hopper and take a photo of the motherboard for us to see it. PHOTO ATTACHED
On the side of the machine with the pull handle there is usually a metal idplate that has some information printed on it like model number. If that idplate is there post a photo of it. PHOTO ATTACHED
Are there used slot machines for sale often in S. Africa, like online dealers or privates sales, newspaper, craigslist, etc? I Did a google search but cannot find anyone in SA that can help.. will search some more. I just got a hit but don't know till Monday if its legit. this is for a repairs person.
What is the availability of used machines? It took me 8 months to get this unit... traveled very far to pick it up in a warehouse. There where like 5 units and I took the best looking one.. Note they were all locked so there was no key to open and check ... I had to jimmy the lock to open this unit.and I don't even think it was used in S.A. I think it was cross border equipment. Not readily at all in SA.
Are there casinos or cruise ships there that sell older machines when they are done with them? We have casinos in the city .. but they have been running on the new tech machines for many years already. I think this unit was put in storage for close on 10 years.
I did unplug both FL Lights in my tests...
The Hopper:
So I just decided to started looking at the mechanical side of the SM and boy has this machine worked... The coin pickup knife (think it's the correct name) thing is totally broken and even if I get the electrical side working the hopper will never work like that .. so I have started making a new leading edge pickup knife part, that I can adjust and that will work better.
To test it properly so I need to know is the motor AC or DC and is it 12v or 24 V? I would like to run some tests.
Also I would like to use a smaller coin, as I will be using the SM for fun I want to make it work with our SA 5c coin. How can I set the hopper to spit out smaller coins?
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Pictures as requested in this post
Pic 1 & 2 The light that comes on... front and rear view
Pic 3 the ID Plate
Pic 4 5 The Bottom where MB is...
RED BUTTON ON LEFT and the one next to it IS ALSO STUCK...
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Pic 1 MB Pics .. some open connectors
Pic 2 Front connectors
pic 3 Power Pack Pics
pic 4 something was stuck on here...
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I've just gone through all of this. These guys are a huge help. You'll get there. Sounds like your biggest issue is going to be time to order and receive any parts.
My machine also sat for a while. Things that I thought wouldn't or actually be an issue were. Double and triple check the fuses. Pull all of the plugs and clean what you can. If you have access to some spray electronic cleaner, use it. Make sure all plugs (connectors) are fully seated. Wiggle the wires in the connectors. push them down into the cooenctor. The right wire being loose can cause problems. If you have wires hanging that seem to have a place to go, trace the wires. They may go up into the top to the rewards card reader that was disabled. I removed all of the wiring that went to all of that stuff so that it wasn't in the way. Get the battery replaced. Makes a ton of difference.
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Well I tried to get some pics of the inside of one of my machines. I have one of the lights burned out in there and it's cloudy and raining outside but I got a few although some are a bit fuzzy. I'll add them below. What voltage do you run in your country? These machines can be set to run on 120v AC or 240v AC. Could the place it came from (across the boarder?) possibly be running a different voltage than yours.
I'll try to help on the questions from my place........Hopper is 120v AC (some call it 110v AC, same thing) I have a pic of the side wall, I have no idea what was Velcroed there but it wasn't from IGT. Maybe something for player tracking etc. You can use smaller coins but let's get this thing operating before you start working on changing things. The red button is the call attendant light. It's probably not stuck but more likely partially unhooked or broken on the bottom of the switch. When they come loose on the bottom, they drop down and it releases the tension on the spring. That allows the button to fall in and it won't push down anymore or pop back up. I have a pic of the bottom of that button also. Check that voltage though, it could be part of the problems.
Dave
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And here's a few more.....
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Here's one of the power supply
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The reason I asked about the availability of used slot machines from various places where you are was in case there was a hobby club or repair shop with people that can help locally with repairs, also with spare parts and other support like that. The more used slot machines there are in an area the better chance there is of finding spare parts and people that can help with repairs.
From your photos it looks like the machine uses American 50 cent coins, they are about 32mm diameter. So unless someone has done changes to the machine then that is the size of coin that the hopper is setup for. I think the S. Africa 5 cent coins are about 17mm (older coins) and 21mm for ones made later. To change over to the using your 5 cent coins you would probably have to change some parts in the hopper and also the coin entry bezel on the front of the machine. But like Shaggy said earlier, it is best to get the machine working before doing any mods like going to a different coin.
The red button on the far left is usually the "Call Attendant" button, if so then it's not required for the machine to work. I think all it does is turn on a bulb in the candle (light at top of machine). But if it says something besides Call Attendant then it might be needed to work. The Cash Out button is what activates the hopper if the player wants to get paid coins for any credits that are displayed on the Credit display.
The buttons can be removed and cleaned, that might free them up. They have a plastic housing and a plastic button insert that fits inside the housing. Often there is a plastic nut underneath that holds the button housing to the metal deck of the machine. There is a spring inside the button that pushes the button upward. Underneath there is a microswitch with wires attached. Inside the button is a bulb and it's wires are attached underneath. The buttons could be stuck from dust, dirt, rust and grit that has accumulated. If you remove the buttons be careful, the plastic gets brittle over the years and can crack if you put too much force on them.
Might be good to give the machine a good cleaning, get the debris out of the connectors on the motherboard. This will also give you a chance to get more familiar with how it is put together.
That disconnected 2-wire cable with the red & black wires may be for something optional. Those colors of wires are typically for power (red) and ground (black). When the machine is made at the factory they are built for optional equipment that the casino may want to install themselves. So unused connectors on the motherboard and disconnected wiring cables don't necessarily mean a problem.
The hopper can be removed from the machine and you can test the motor. It is better to test it first manually with no electricity. On the motor there is a brake, it is typically a small piece of plastic with teeth, it is attached to a spring arm that is electrically activated when the machine is operating. You can move the brake out of the way with your finger, then turn the hopper coin wheel by hand to see if it turns freely. Turn it counter-clockwise, the same direction it would turn to lift coins up and to the left for dispensing to the player. Sometimes on older machine the hopper motor gearbox can get frozen or hard to run because of the dried-out grease inside. So see if it can be turned by hand before trying to apply power to the motor.
Since you picked up this machine in a different country you will want to make sure what voltage it is set to operate from. Will likely either be 120 volts AC or 240 volts AC, or something very similar. The connector at the end of the line cord may give you a clue. Be careful about connecting your local power to it until you know what the machine is wired for. Someone could have modified it in past years. The hopper motor may have an idplate or sticker that says what voltage it needs.