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**Video Poker, Keno, Slots, 21** Gaming machines => IGT PE and PE Plus Poker Games => Topic started by: Wzrd0803 on March 24, 2019, 11:04:09 PM

Title: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Wzrd0803 on March 24, 2019, 11:04:09 PM

Does anyone have a service manual for this video poker machine?  There is someone selling it for $100 but it doesn't work.  I was thinking of buying it if it's easy to fix. I am a 30+year computer tech but am not familiar with slot machines or video poker machines.  Also, what kind of machine is this? I saw some other posts on here mentioning PE or something like that.

He says the light works on the top and around the face but it doesn't seem like the machine works.

Power supply possibly or motherboard?

Does anyone know what could possibly be the problem and where I could get parts for this?
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: videoporker on March 25, 2019, 10:24:34 AM
That looks like a Players Edge non plus type machine to me because it doesn't have the bill reader on it.
I have the same machine. Many years ago I uploaded the manuals for it here, or maybe it was the old site?? I'll see if I can find them again.

If the machine monitor lights up and the game boots or at least "call attendant"  flashes on the screen, and it has the hopper and all inside I'd buy it.Heck, even if the monitor didn't come on I'd still buy it if all the innards are in it.

If you do buy it the great people here will have answers and parts for any problems, and the machines are fairly easy to work on.
Great fun when they work and they make great piggy banks too!
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Amechanic on March 25, 2019, 12:19:12 PM
It might be the chassis that powers the monitor. If it has a Ceronix chassis (1492) model, I repair those. See if you can get a picture with the door open facing the front of the machine. It could also need a battery on the main board. As long as there is no acid damage to the board I would think it’s well worth the money. You could counter off $75.00...
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: jay on March 25, 2019, 01:02:41 PM
Its an older machine - early 80's ... making it 30+ years.
I would be a bit concerned about the rust in the coin tray.
Lots of machines post Katrina out there from the Mississippi region with water damage.

I would validate they have the keys for the machine etc. Then take a look inside and look for water damage.
Specifically has the wooden laminate back/sides swelled ?
If you still think its salvageable If so I would offer $25-$50

Non-Working Arcade games go for $50 because people want the (good) cabinets so they can put their own electronics in them.
You wouldn't pay $100 for a 30 year old TV......

At the lower end of repairs your looking at a few fuses for the power supply.
At worst all of the guts need replacing.

The PE is not overly complex
- Power Supply
- Mother board (small board with molex connectors for wiring to monitor etc)
- MPU board (main board that plugs into the mother board) via vi an edge connector.
- Monitor
- Coin Hopper

The MPU board has a 3.6v lithium battery. Its soldered on to the board and is easily replaced but if has leaked then then the MPU board probably needs to be replaced.

Coin hoppers are readily available but weigh a ton due to the oversized motors. So shipping would be expensive.

Monitors are becoming more rare. The Centroix 1492 receives a funny inverted signal so you can't simply slap in a 15" standard LCD monitor.
There are hacks around this but are less than clean. There are LCD dropin's but they run about $380 via Happ
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Wzrd0803 on March 25, 2019, 04:34:13 PM

If the machine monitor lights up and the game boots or at least "call attendant"  flashes on the screen, and it has the hopper and all inside I'd buy it.Heck, even if the monitor didn't come on I'd still buy it if all the innards are in it.


He didn't say the monitor came on or it powered up.  He said only the light on the top and around the face came on.


Quote
Great fun when they work and they make great piggy banks too!


Especially if relatives or friends play and don't win!  :rotfl:
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Wzrd0803 on March 25, 2019, 04:38:16 PM
At the lower end of repairs your looking at a few fuses for the power supply.
At worst all of the guts need replacing.

The PE is not overly complex
- Power Supply
- Mother board (small board with molex connectors for wiring to monitor etc)
- MPU board (main board that plugs into the mother board) via vi an edge connector.
- Monitor
- Coin Hopper



Best case scenario replacing the power supply, motherboard and mpu board (hoping the monitor and coin hopper are ok).  About how much would that be?  Trying to validate spending repairing this vs getting one that already works.

Title: Nickel Double Bonus Poker Manual
Post by: Wzrd0803 on March 25, 2019, 04:55:28 PM
Does anyone have a manual for this poker machine? I'm probably gonna buy it tomorrow.  It's a 5 cent Double Bonus Poker machine.  I want to see what options (like free play, or whatever) can be set on it and also if I ever have to repair it in the future (hopefully not)
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Amechanic on March 25, 2019, 06:43:05 PM
MPU board and a mother board would cost $125-$150 or more.. My guess is that it’s the monitors chassis. If that was still working there would be a message on the screen, or a blue screen. How far away are you from the game? You might want to see it in person. Last two I’ve picked up had a bad chassis that I rebuilt. A rebuilt Ceronix chassis cost you around $80.00.. Best thing to check first is the MPU for battery acid damage. If that’s there, the games not worth much more then the $25/$50 mentioned earlier.
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Wzrd0803 on March 25, 2019, 06:47:05 PM

MPU board and a mother board would cost $125-$150 or more..


Yikes!  I found a 5 cent Double Bonus poker which they say works for $125.  I'm gonna check it out tomorrow.  I think i'm gonna get that one if it works.

Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Amechanic on March 25, 2019, 07:55:23 PM
Hardly ever see them here for sale. What part of the country are you in??
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Wzrd0803 on March 25, 2019, 09:43:22 PM
Hardly ever see them here for sale. What part of the country are you in??



California
Title: Need Help please. IGT Double Bonus Poker Model B1065C
Post by: Wzrd0803 on March 26, 2019, 04:33:56 PM

Does anyone have the manual for a 5 cent IGT Double Bonus Poker machine Model #B1065C?


I ended up buying it and want to explore the options to change.  When I first pushed the white button, I had options like coin type (5 cents), hopper type (1000), etc.  Now when I press it, it only lets me go to Self Test modes.  How do I get back to those other options?


When I am in the self test, it says something about using "Jackpot reset button" to change options.  What/where is the jackpot reset button?


Is there a volume control somewhere? This thing is loud!
Title: Re: Need Help please. IGT Double Bonus Poker Model B1065C
Post by: Tilt on March 26, 2019, 04:42:58 PM
Model numbers don't help us much, but pictures do.  Please post a couple of photos of the outside and inside of your machine.  They have to be less than 1MB in size so you may need to resize the picture to post it. 

The jackpot reset is usually a keyswitch located on the upper part of the right side of the machine. 
Title: Re: Need Help please. IGT Double Bonus Poker Model B1065C
Post by: Wzrd0803 on March 26, 2019, 04:47:41 PM
Model numbers don't help us much, but pictures do.  Please post a couple of photos of the outside and inside of your machine.  They have to be less than 1MB in size so you may need to resize the picture to post it. 

The jackpot reset is usually a keyswitch located on the upper part of the right side of the machine.



Inside the door?
Title: Re: Need Help please. IGT Double Bonus Poker Model B1065C
Post by: Tilt on March 26, 2019, 05:30:57 PM
The interior of the machine.
Title: Re: Need Help please. IGT Double Bonus Poker Model B1065C
Post by: knagl on March 26, 2019, 05:55:32 PM
If you have any credits on the machine, the setup options in the self test screens will be very limited.  Make sure to cash out or play out any credits, then try pressing the white Self Test button inside the machine to access the various options.  Press the button multiple times to page through the various option screens.

Also, please do not create multiple threads for the same questions about the same machine.  I have merged the three threads you created together into this one.  Thank you!
Title: Re: Need Help please. IGT Double Bonus Poker Model B1065C
Post by: Wzrd0803 on March 26, 2019, 06:30:16 PM
If you have any credits on the machine, the setup options in the self test screens will be very limited.  Make sure to cash out or play out any credits, then try pressing the white Self Test button inside the machine to access the various options.  Press the button multiple times to page through the various option screens.

Also, please do not create multiple threads for the same questions about the same machine.  I have merged the three threads you created together into this one.  Thank you!



Sorry about the multiple posts.  I tried to delete them but it wouldn't let me so I clicked "Topic Solved"


I can't get back to the original screen I was referring to where it was like a setup for the hopper type, coin type, etc.  Now with the white button, I only get self test options.  I had no credits on the game.


Is there a factory reset option for the machine?









Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: jay on March 26, 2019, 07:15:33 PM

The jackpot reset is on the outside of the machine on the right hand side.
All S, PE, S+ and PE+ machines use the same key, and you can find them on Ebay if you did not get one with the machine.


Post a Picture of the machine. If it has a bill validator it is likely a PE+ if not more than likely a PE... however early PE+ did not have a bill validator.
If you post a picture of your MPU board we can tell you for sure.


What the Jackpot reset key is normally for (outside of the setup) is if you win an amount greater than the hopper limit.
Ie hopper set for 300 coins, win 1000. The machine goes into hand pay, the casino host comes by and hands you the giant cheque and takes your picture.
He then turns the reset key and puts the machine back to normal.


Your next purchase needs to be a giant cheque…..  :duh: as you are now the casino host.
Congratulations on your first purchase.
Title: Re: Need Help please. IGT Double Bonus Poker Model B1065C
Post by: knagl on March 26, 2019, 08:04:28 PM
I can't get back to the original screen I was referring to where it was like a setup for the hopper type, coin type, etc.  Now with the white button, I only get self test options.  I had no credits on the game.

Press the white Self Test button multiple times to get to the various menus, including hopper limit, denomination, etc.  The first time you press the white Self Test button you'll be brought to the Self Test Inputs page.  Press the same button again and you'll get to Self Test Outputs.  Press it again and you'll start getting into various settings screens, including the ones previously mentioned.  Again, double-check that the credit meter is at zero before you begin.

Edited to add: you've posted pictures of two different machines.  Which one is the one you're working on, and can you post a few pictures of the inside of the machine (with the door open)?  My advice above applies to a Player's Edge Plus machine, but now I'm not 100% sure that's what you have.  Also if you can post a picture or two of the game display and/or the self test screen you're seeing, that would be helpful in determining what model of machine you have and what the proper steps are to access the settings you are attempting to access.
Title: Re: Need Help please. IGT Double Bonus Poker Model B1065C
Post by: Wzrd0803 on March 26, 2019, 09:35:05 PM
I can't get back to the original screen I was referring to where it was like a setup for the hopper type, coin type, etc.  Now with the white button, I only get self test options.  I had no credits on the game.

Press the white Self Test button multiple times to get to the various menus, including hopper limit, denomination, etc.  The first time you press the white Self Test button you'll be brought to the Self Test Inputs page.  Press the same button again and you'll get to Self Test Outputs.  Press it again and you'll start getting into various settings screens, including the ones previously mentioned.  Again, double-check that the credit meter is at zero before you begin.

Edited to add: you've posted pictures of two different machines.  Which one is the one you're working on, and can you post a few pictures of the inside of the machine (with the door open)?  My advice above applies to a Player's Edge Plus machine, but now I'm not 100% sure that's what you have.  Also if you can post a picture or two of the game display and/or the self test screen you're seeing, that would be helpful in determining what model of machine you have and what the proper steps are to access the settings you are attempting to access.



Here are some pics of the machine and screen I am referring to.


The self test screen is what I am confused about.  If I press Deal it goes to the next topic (coin lockout then bell then hopper 1, etc). The only one that actually does anything is when I press deal and advance to either hopper 1 or 2, it starts the hopper and returns coins. The others don't seem to do anything.


It says to "Advance output with Jackpot Reset".  I don't know what that means.


When I was at the person's place I bought the machine at today, I pressed the white button and it was like a setup screen with a blue background.  If you kept pressing the white button, it would change from Denomination (5 for 5 cents), Hopper (1000 which I assume is the hopper type in the machine), one said Credits (I guess that means the credits when you win) and some other ones I forgot.


I can't get back to that screen from pressing the white button.  It only goes into self test outputs.  Multiple presses of the white button doesn't do anything different or go to a different screen from the self test outputs.
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: jay on March 26, 2019, 09:42:34 PM

First off - make sure you have NO credits on the machine otherwise the white button won't do much.


The white button is the way to move between screens.
The credit/spin/etc changes options on the screens (ie hopper test).


The jackpot reset is the key switch on the exterior right hand side of the poker machine.
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Wzrd0803 on March 26, 2019, 09:43:42 PM
It didn't like the attachments the first time.  Reuploading the last 2
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Wzrd0803 on March 26, 2019, 09:47:42 PM

First off - make sure you have NO credits on the machine otherwise the white button won't do much.


The white button is the way to move between screens.
The credit/spin/etc changes options on the screens (ie hopper test).


The jackpot reset is the key switch on the exterior right hand side of the poker machine.



I can't seem to get any other screen with the white button and no credits except Self Test Outputs.

Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: jay on March 26, 2019, 10:24:24 PM
Credits would be on the main game screen.
You need to play them away or cash out before you go into the setup screens.
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Wzrd0803 on March 26, 2019, 10:35:01 PM
Credits would be on the main game screen.
You need to play them away or cash out before you go into the setup screens.



Had zero credits before pushing the white button
Title: Re: Need Help please. IGT Double Bonus Poker Model B1065C
Post by: knagl on March 27, 2019, 01:28:53 AM
When I was at the person's place I bought the machine at today, I pressed the white button and it was like a setup screen with a blue background.  If you kept pressing the white button, it would change from Denomination (5 for 5 cents), Hopper (1000 which I assume is the hopper type in the machine), one said Credits (I guess that means the credits when you win) and some other ones I forgot.

The 1000 was referring to the hopper limit, set to 1,000 coins (ie. any win over 1,000 coins will be paid by an attendant -- any win of 1,000 coins or less will be paid out of the hopper).  Credit/Non-Credit determines whether wins go to the credit meter on the screen or get immediately paid out of the hopper.

Your additional pictures confirm that you have a Player's Edge Plus video poker machine.

Since we're not there seeing what you're doing, you need to tell us very explicitly what is or isn't happening.

Turn the machine off, wait a few seconds, then turn it on.  Are cards displayed on the screen and a "game over" message, or are you in the middle of a hand that needs to be resolved first?  If you're in the middle of a hand, you won't be able to get to the additional settings you're trying to access.  Please close the door, and if you are brought out to a screen with cards, ensure you are not in the middle of a hand by pressing the "Deal/Draw" button.

Please tell us explicitly, step by step, what happens when you turn the machine on.

For example:

"After I turn the power on, the machine shows five cards on the screen and a "Door Open" message.  If I close the door, the "Door Open" message goes away, and the machine shows the five cards with a "Game Over" message on the screen.  If I open the door and press the white Self Test button on the edge of the MPU board, the machine brings me to the Self Test Inputs screen.  If I press the white Self Test button again, the screen changes to the Self Test Outputs screen.  If I press the white Self Test button again, nothing happens."

That's the type of information we need.  Alternately, take a video with your phone or a digital camera and upload the video to YouTube, then paste the link here, so we can see exactly what the machine is and isn't doing.

Also, since you recently moved the machine, I would recommend unplugging the machine, remove the hopper, remove the MPU board, and look for any loose coins or other metal debris (screws, washers, etc) that may have moved around during transport which could be causing issues if it's shorting out anything in the machine.  Always ensure that the machine is turned off whenever removing or installing the removable MPU (processor) board.
Title: Re: Need Help please. IGT Double Bonus Poker Model B1065C
Post by: Wzrd0803 on March 27, 2019, 08:59:30 AM
When I was at the person's place I bought the machine at today, I pressed the white button and it was like a setup screen with a blue background.  If you kept pressing the white button, it would change from Denomination (5 for 5 cents), Hopper (1000 which I assume is the hopper type in the machine), one said Credits (I guess that means the credits when you win) and some other ones I forgot.

The 1000 was referring to the hopper limit, set to 1,000 coins (ie. any win over 1,000 coins will be paid by an attendant -- any win of 1,000 coins or less will be paid out of the hopper).  Credit/Non-Credit determines whether wins go to the credit meter on the screen or get immediately paid out of the hopper.

Your additional pictures confirm that you have a Player's Edge Plus video poker machine.

Since we're not there seeing what you're doing, you need to tell us very explicitly what is or isn't happening.

Turn the machine off, wait a few seconds, then turn it on.  Are cards displayed on the screen and a "game over" message, or are you in the middle of a hand that needs to be resolved first?  If you're in the middle of a hand, you won't be able to get to the additional settings you're trying to access.  Please close the door, and if you are brought out to a screen with cards, ensure you are not in the middle of a hand by pressing the "Deal/Draw" button.

Please tell us explicitly, step by step, what happens when you turn the machine on.

For example:

"After I turn the power on, the machine shows five cards on the screen and a "Door Open" message.  If I close the door, the "Door Open" message goes away, and the machine shows the five cards with a "Game Over" message on the screen.  If I open the door and press the white Self Test button on the edge of the MPU board, the machine brings me to the Self Test Inputs screen.  If I press the white Self Test button again, the screen changes to the Self Test Outputs screen.  If I press the white Self Test button again, nothing happens."

That's the type of information we need.  Alternately, take a video with your phone or a digital camera and upload the video to YouTube, then paste the link here, so we can see exactly what the machine is and isn't doing.

Also, since you recently moved the machine, I would recommend unplugging the machine, remove the hopper, remove the MPU board, and look for any loose coins or other metal debris (screws, washers, etc) that may have moved around during transport which could be causing issues if it's shorting out anything in the machine.  Always ensure that the machine is turned off whenever removing or installing the removable MPU (processor) board.



What you typed is exactly what happens. 
After I turn the power on, the machine shows five cards on the screen and a "Door Open" message.  If I close the door, the "Door Open" message goes away, and the machine shows the five cards with a "Game Over" message on the screen.  If I open the door and press the white Self Test button on the edge of the MPU board, the machine brings me to the Self Test Inputs screen.  If I press the white Self Test button again, the screen changes to the Self Test Outputs screen.  If I press the white Self Test button again, nothing happens.


I don't know how I did it or got there but I did random button presses and was able to see/change the hopper limit, turn on/off double up, change from sounds to music when you win, turn on/off the paytable, change the coin type of the machine (5 cents, 10 cents, 25 cents, etc.), etc so I guess my issue is resolved.  I just don't know how I got there.


I somehow got to where it said Hopper Test.  If I pressed any buttons like Deal, etc. it spit coins and did a hopper test.  If I pressed the white button, it led me to the options I was looking for hopper limit, double up on/off, etc stated in my last paragraph.

Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: jay on March 27, 2019, 10:09:17 AM
Since you can go from the first screen to the second via the white button we know the white button works.
Not going to the third screen  sure sounds like the machine thinks it has credits on it.
When the machine has credits - it inhibits any changes to the operating mode of the machine - such as denomination, double up options etc, but still allows self-test options.

Without putting any more coins in, door closed, can you hit max bet, deal and try and play a game ? hit cash out etc.
Assuming you didn't get to play a game ...... can you drop in a coin, play a game and make sure you hit cash out at the end.
Then try and see if the white button behavior is any different ?





Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Wzrd0803 on March 27, 2019, 10:50:24 AM
Since you can go from the first screen to the second via the white button we know the white button works.
Not going to the third screen  sure sounds like the machine thinks it has credits on it.
When the machine has credits - it inhibits any changes to the operating mode of the machine - such as denomination, double up options etc, but still allows self-test options.

Without putting any more coins in, door closed, can you hit max bet, deal and try and play a game ? hit cash out etc.
Assuming you didn't get to play a game ...... can you drop in a coin, play a game and make sure you hit cash out at the end.
Then try and see if the white button behavior is any different ?




I've done that.  I know for sure that there are no credits in the machine.  It's just tricky to get to the third screen.  Not sure how I got there.  I was fiddling with the self test outputs screen going from one option to another and turning the reset key on each one and somehow I think I pressed the deal, max bet, bet, cashout buttons and then "hopper test" showed up on the screen.  From there I was able to press the white button and get to the "third screen" with the other options.  They come up one at a time like first you set the hopper limit (1000) using the reset key to change the value, then you press (I think it was the deal button), then it switches to the next screen to change the denomination of the game (5 cents, 25 cents, etc), reset key to change values, deal button then turn double up on or off using the key to change values and so on.


I can't with any regularity get to the third screen or duplicate how I got there. For example, "open door, press white button, press deal, turn key" where that sequence will do the same thing every time.  I'm not getting that.  Only random button presses or turning of the key and I hope I can get lucky and get back there to the third screen.








Is there a volume control on this machine anywhere?  This thing is loud and I want to turn it down a little
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Amechanic on March 27, 2019, 11:53:18 AM
Check the top of the main board, the MPU for a blue volume wheel. To the left of your hopper..
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: jay on March 27, 2019, 12:47:14 PM
To go from screen to screen you should NOt be pressing anything other than the white button.
Depending on which game set your running there are 6-8 screens.


The spin, credit buttons etc are used to move around the screens to the various options then the jackpot key is used to activate or change values.


Ie you use the spin button to go down to hoper testbthen the jackpot key starts the hopper test and stops it.
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Wzrd0803 on March 27, 2019, 05:35:08 PM
Check the top of the main board, the MPU for a blue volume wheel. To the left of your hopper..



No volume wheel, only a black knob to pull off the metal cover :(
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Wzrd0803 on March 27, 2019, 05:42:50 PM
To go from screen to screen you should NOt be pressing anything other than the white button.
Depending on which game set your running there are 6-8 screens.


The spin, credit buttons etc are used to move around the screens to the various options then the jackpot key is used to activate or change values.



Ie you use the spin button to go down to hoper testbthen the jackpot key starts the hopper test and stops it.



Not sure if the PROM data helps or anything.


Here is what I just did/been doing.  I put 1 coin in.  Hit bet 1 and then Draw.  Didn't hold anything so I would lose (like the picture shows).  So now I have no credits and I lost.  I open up the door and press the white button.  Goes to Self Test Inputs.  You can hit all the buttons there and they go from 0-1 telling you the buttons are working.  Press the white button again, it goes to Self Test Outputs.  Pressing the white button again does nothing!  The only way to get out of Self Test outputs is to close the door so the game resets and loads to play.  If you press the Draw button in Self Test Outputs, it toggles from one option to the next in the Self Test Outputs screen.


The only way I was able to get to the setup screen where I can change hopper limit, denomination, double up, etc was by accident and messing around with random buttons, reset key, opening and closing the door, nothing specific.  Just messing around and I got lucky.

Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: jay on March 27, 2019, 05:56:43 PM

With the machine off you can lift the board out of the machine using the black knob. On the edge of the tray there should be a small dial that is the volume adjustment.
Depending on what position the board is in your machine the dial might be on the top and the black knob is in the center so you might not see it.


It should be obvious once the board is out.
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Amechanic on March 27, 2019, 06:32:50 PM
If you want to adjust your screen and card size, lift off the plastic bezel around the monitor. Those are usually  held in place by Velcro in the edges. That volume adjustment know just barely comes through the metal frame. They are usually blue or black in color.
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Wzrd0803 on March 27, 2019, 08:14:40 PM

I don't know why but the white button is behaving at the moment, It is going from Self Test Inputs to Self Test Outputs to Hopper Test, then Progressive, Hopper Limit, Denomination, etc like it's supposed to.  I can even close the door, open the door and repeat and it's behaving right now.


BTW, found the volume control potentiometer and my ears and not bleeding now from the super loud noise.

Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Wzrd0803 on March 29, 2019, 05:40:02 PM

Can you change a board (MPU?) or EPROM for multi games on this machine?

Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: jay on March 29, 2019, 06:21:08 PM

I suspect having re-seated the MPU board fixed your white Button issue.


Now to your question: Can you do a multi-game ? The answer is yes-ish.


There are two kinds of MPU boards, one is standard and the other is called a Superboard.
You need to have a Superboard to do multi-game.If you don't have a Superboard its just a matter of acquiring one. I personally have 6 boards all mounted in trays because I don't really like changing chips. Your not the only one who breaks legs.  :banghead: You don't have to get more trays but its really convenient to just slide a new one in.


If you already have a Superboard you can just change the chips to a multi-game set.


To tell the difference between a Standard and Superboard is relatively easy.
The Superboard has both a Program and Data socket and the Standard has only a Program socket.


A game set consists of 6 or 7 chips.
Program, Data, MXO, MRO, MBO, MGO, Cap(x) Rom.


With a standard game (ie Poker) you have 6 chips as there is no data chip. This can be used in either the standard or superboard.
MXO, MRO,MGO,MBO + CAP rom are the color chips and need to match the game you are playing.
The only catch here is if you are using the superboard with a standard game there is a small jumper at the end of the program chip that needs to be moved and you need to use a CAPX chip (vs CAP chip).
As you start to collect game kits you will find that sometimes the graphic sets are used with multiple different games.



With a Superboard game (ie double bonus Poker) you have 7 chips that can only be used in the superboard.
MXO, MRO,MGO,MBO + CAPX rom are the color chips and need to match the game you are playing.


For the Superboard there are several  Multi-Game sets, I refer you to the IGT game bible off of the main page as to what games are on what set.


There is also something called a WING board that can plug into the super board. This allows you to use 5 games of your choosing. The only cavet is that the games must all use the same graphic chips or you need to put up with wonky colors or graphics due to the mismatch.


In case you are interested in burning your own chips (for backup purposes) the chips are all 27C256 except for the Caprom. The Caprom is a smaller older chip that is not made anymore and cannot be burnt in any modern burner. These are fairly common between game sets so its not like you need that many.











Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Wzrd0803 on March 31, 2019, 12:19:40 AM

I suspect having re-seated the MPU board fixed your white Button issue.


Now to your question: Can you do a multi-game ? The answer is yes-ish.


There are two kinds of MPU boards, one is standard and the other is called a Superboard.
You need to have a Superboard to do multi-game.If you don't have a Superboard its just a matter of acquiring one. I personally have 6 boards all mounted in trays because I don't really like changing chips. Your not the only one who breaks legs.  :banghead: You don't have to get more trays but its really convenient to just slide a new one in.


If you already have a Superboard you can just change the chips to a multi-game set.


To tell the difference between a Standard and Superboard is relatively easy.
The Superboard has both a Program and Data socket and the Standard has only a Program socket.


A game set consists of 6 or 7 chips.
Program, Data, MXO, MRO, MBO, MGO, Cap(x) Rom.


With a standard game (ie Poker) you have 6 chips as there is no data chip. This can be used in either the standard or superboard.
MXO, MRO,MGO,MBO + CAP rom are the color chips and need to match the game you are playing.
The only catch here is if you are using the superboard with a standard game there is a small jumper at the end of the program chip that needs to be moved and you need to use a CAPX chip (vs CAP chip).
As you start to collect game kits you will find that sometimes the graphic sets are used with multiple different games.



With a Superboard game (ie double bonus Poker) you have 7 chips that can only be used in the superboard.
MXO, MRO,MGO,MBO + CAPX rom are the color chips and need to match the game you are playing.


For the Superboard there are several  Multi-Game sets, I refer you to the IGT game bible off of the main page as to what games are on what set.


There is also something called a WING board that can plug into the super board. This allows you to use 5 games of your choosing. The only cavet is that the games must all use the same graphic chips or you need to put up with wonky colors or graphics due to the mismatch.


In case you are interested in burning your own chips (for backup purposes) the chips are all 27C256 except for the Caprom. The Caprom is a smaller older chip that is not made anymore and cannot be burnt in any modern burner. These are fairly common between game sets so its not like you need that many.



Here are pictures of my board
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Wzrd0803 on March 31, 2019, 11:52:35 AM

Can I add multi poker games to this board?  If so, what do I need to do? Do I need that Wingboard? What chips do I replace. I don't know anything about programming EPROMS. If someone could do that for me I could pay you. What version is my Capx chip?

Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: jay on March 31, 2019, 01:15:39 PM

This is a Superboard.
The 7 chips you need to change all  have labels on them
Your CapX can be seen in the first picture. It is the small one: Capx 1371


You simply need to buy a 7 chip set for the multipoker, there are several sets to choose from.
Most of the vendors on the main page can sell you a set. You can also often buy on ebay.


Also on the main page - bottom right corner is the IGT Game Bible for the S+ (Slot) or PE+ (Poker).
Click on that and then choose Poker.


Here is a direct link to the multipoker games, but there are lots of other sets to choose from as well.
http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%20Poker/Multi%20Poker.htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%20Poker/Multi%20Poker.htm)
You simply ask the vendors for: XM00002P (http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%20Poker/Multi%20Poker.htm#1) game chip set for the PE+. They will know what chips to send you.
Just confirm they are sending you all 7 chips.


The wing boards are rare if you can find them at all, and then you build your own multi-game sets from non-multi-game chips.
I would get your feet wet on the above before you go down the road of the wingboard and getting all fancy.










Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Wzrd0803 on March 31, 2019, 06:09:54 PM
Does a Game King 3902 mpu board work in my machine?  I don't think so because mine isn't a touch screen?
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Amechanic on March 31, 2019, 06:22:56 PM
Not they won’t. Totally different board.
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: jay on March 31, 2019, 06:23:47 PM

No. Everything is wrong.
The Game Kings use a 17" screen (wrong size).
Not even the power supply could be made to work.


If you want a GameKing buy a Game King.




Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Wzrd0803 on March 31, 2019, 07:01:36 PM
Can you point me to a vendor who has those XM00002P chips for sale please
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: jay on March 31, 2019, 07:08:20 PM

 Go to the NLG Home Page - there are lots of good Vendors listed there. Here are a few
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Wzrd0803 on March 31, 2019, 07:15:23 PM
Go to the NLG Home Page - there are lots of good Vendors listed there. Here are a few




Any one you recommend?  You're not talking about the sponsors right?  You're talking about the Supporting Vendors like azslot, bettorslot, slotco, slotcodeals from this link?


http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=groups;sa=members;group=17 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=groups;sa=members;group=17)



Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: jay on March 31, 2019, 07:17:15 PM

Yes the supporting vendors.
You will need to call them get prices and determine who has them.
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Wzrd0803 on March 31, 2019, 07:27:42 PM

Would this board work in my machine?  Says it was pulled from a working machine but I am not sure about it.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/IGT-PE-Plus-Multi-Game-Slot-Machine-MAIN-MPU-BOARD-Complete-FRESH-BATTERY/312535569748?hash=item48c4925554:g:KmYAAOSw~llb7rwY (https://www.ebay.com/itm/IGT-PE-Plus-Multi-Game-Slot-Machine-MAIN-MPU-BOARD-Complete-FRESH-BATTERY/312535569748?hash=item48c4925554:g:KmYAAOSw~llb7rwY)
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Wzrd0803 on March 31, 2019, 07:51:20 PM


Would downloading and burning either of these sets onto an EPROM work in my machine?


Player's Edge Plus (XM00002P+XMP00006) Multi-Poker  (http://www.planetemu.net/rom/mame-roms/pexm002p)

Player's Edge Plus (XM00002P+XMP00006) Multi-Poker (MGM Grand Detroit Casino)


The first only I found only has xm00002p.u66 and xmp00006.u67 in the zip so it is missing a bunch of needed files from what you explained.  I would need to get the cg and capx 2174 files from another zip


The second one has capx2440.u43, mbo-cg2440.u79, mgo-cg2440.u78, mro-cg2440.u77, mxo-cg2440.u80, xm00002p.u66 and xmp00006.u67 in the zip file
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: jay on March 31, 2019, 08:13:11 PM

Yes the board will work, and it appears to have the chips you want.


With regards to downloading the software and burning it.
You need to burn all 6 chips and you will need to find the right CapX for it.
Your 1371 won't cut it, and as noted before procuring blanks of the Capx chips are not easily found nor are burners that can do these.


ProgramPaytablePercentNameCG RomsCAPX ChipKnown Compatible PE+ POKER GAME
XM00002PP90A98.00Multi-Poker (Bonus Poker Four-of-a-Kind)CG2174CAPX2174XMP00003 / XMP00006 / XMP000024
XM00002P
P251A[/t][/t] 97.40 Multi-Poker (Bonus Poker Deluxe)     
XM00002P
P62A[/t] 98.90 Multi-Poker (Deuces Wild)     
XM00002P
BA[/t] 97.30 Multi-Poker (Jacks or Better)     
XM00002P
P323A[/t] 99.10 Multi-Poker (Double Bonus Poker) 
   
Combined average payout percent 98.14%
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Amechanic on March 31, 2019, 08:15:56 PM
Try contacting Jim at Mid-West slots. I think he did have the Super boards for sale.
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Wzrd0803 on March 31, 2019, 08:20:30 PM

Yes the board will work, and it appears to have the chips you want.


With regards to downloading the software and burning it.
You need to burn all 6 chips and you will need to find the right CapX for it.
Your 1371 won't cut it, and as noted before procuring blanks of the Capx chips are not easily found nor are burners that can do these.


ProgramPaytablePercentNameCG RomsCAPX ChipKnown Compatible PE+ POKER GAME
XM00002PP90A98.00Multi-Poker (Bonus Poker Four-of-a-Kind)CG2174CAPX2174XMP00003 / XMP00006 / XMP000024
XM00002P
P251A[/t][/t] 97.40 Multi-Poker (Bonus Poker Deluxe)     
XM00002P
P62A[/t] 98.90 Multi-Poker (Deuces Wild)     
XM00002P
BA[/t] 97.30 Multi-Poker (Jacks or Better)     
XM00002P
P323A[/t] 99.10 Multi-Poker (Double Bonus Poker) 
   
Combined average payout percent 98.14%



Maybe i'll buy that board but it's $129! I emailed the seller to see what games are on the board.  The ones you listed are what you think are on it?  How can you tell?  The chips don't have the numbers on the stickers.


So the capx files cannot be burned on eproms and need to be found? Hmmm Sounds like a task.
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: jay on March 31, 2019, 08:48:57 PM
You could ask the seller what chips are there then cross reference against the IGT Game bible.
$129 is not expensive for a working board with game chips.


I didn't say it couldn't be done. I just said the blanks for the CapRoms are rare, and the modern burners you can pick up inexpensively won't support that ancient chip. The rest are more common 27c256 chips. A burner that would support a chip like that will run you close to a grand. Anyone who has the chips you are looking for will have the matching caprom.


There is a way to build an adapter so that a 27C256 can be used instead. In fact because this is a larger chip people have built a model with a dip switch setting so that you can have 8 different CapX's stored on one 27C256 and then change by dip. If your interested in building one you can dig through the PE+ archives at http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?board=50.0 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?board=50.0)

LINK FIXED!
~mod
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: knagl on April 02, 2019, 10:22:24 PM
That link's broken, Jay, but I did create a new post here with info from the old site on how to use a more commonly available EPROM to work as the CAP chip:

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=335.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=335.0)
Link above in reply #53 fixed as well.
~mod
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: BrianT on April 03, 2019, 07:56:15 PM
Well let's dispel a rumor about blank color CAPX chips.

These are somewhat easy to come by on eBay.  Search for am27s29 and you see some come up.  Most seem pricey but there's a list for 20 blanks from Israel that's not too bad.  Most common newer EPROM burners should be able to program them, especially the AMD AM27S29 chip.  I was recently sent over 50 chips to burn and the all worked no problem.  Another compatible BPROM chip are the 82s147, but again on eBay they are pricey.

I have 100s of the common CAPX chips like the CAPX1321, 904, 740, 773 and many many more.  But if you're looking for an exotic one like 2292 for Jackpot Poker or something you'll have to resort to buying a blank and programing it or have one programed for you. Even the CAPX2174 for multi poker sets are getting rare, so you'll likely have to burn one of those.  I have like 15 to 20 sets of the XM00004P multi poker set with all 7 chips (CAPX included), but that set is slightly less desirable then the XM00001P (XM00001P through XM00003P and XM00006P all have the same games, just different payouts) sets.

If you want to download MAME sets and play with various poker version on real hardware, get yourself a few Winbond W27C512 chips if your EPROM reader/burner supports them.  These are electronically erasable / programable chips that you can reprogram over and over for your PROGRAM or DATA roms.  Sadly most graphics "CG" are 27C256 and will have to be erased via a UV EPROM eraser.

BrianT
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: jay on April 03, 2019, 08:49:49 PM
Brian you could program the 27c512 with the 256 code but use an offset.
I have also seen people copy the 256code file twice and create a 512 file then burn that and not have to figure out the hex offset.


Btw cool info on the alternate chips for the cap roms.

Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: bally bob on May 10, 2019, 06:03:58 PM
Looks like I just picked up the same machine the other day. Mine has a bill validator and manufacture date of 12/95. It came with a manual that says Players Edge Plus service, dated April 23, 1993. However can't say for sure if it the manual that goes with the machine. It works, has one hold / cancel switch that works but the top frame around it is broken so needs replacing. The sound is very low. I haven't attempted to press the small white button to make any changes yet. Not sure how to exactly identify this one.
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: jay on May 10, 2019, 06:45:25 PM
What you have is a IGT PE+
Title: Re: IGT Double Bonus Poker help
Post by: Wzrd0803 on May 11, 2019, 12:41:15 AM
Looks like I just picked up the same machine the other day. Mine has a bill validator and manufacture date of 12/95. It came with a manual that says Players Edge Plus service, dated April 23, 1993. However can't say for sure if it the manual that goes with the machine. It works, has one hold / cancel switch that works but the top frame around it is broken so needs replacing. The sound is very low. I haven't attempted to press the small white button to make any changes yet. Not sure how to exactly identify this one.



Nice.  I wish mine had a bill validator.  It gets kinda annoying feeding nickels in the machine. I'd love a copy of the manual if you could scan and make a pdf of it.


On top of the motherboard (if you open the machine and look to the bottom left at the square metal shield) there is a dial on top.  You turn that to increase or decrease the sound.  You might have to press down a little while turning the knob to adjust the sound.


The white knob is for adjusting settings.
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