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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => Bally Electromechanical => Topic started by: ncrguy on October 14, 2021, 05:12:07 PM
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The other day on Facebook market place I found, and now own a nice hold and draw 961-2 for $75
Glass is perfect, super clean, and after a quick lube its spinning, coin in and hold and draw works. I have to deep clean things so after that and new LEDs I know more. So its a 961-2 and this is my 4th EM but I have questions.
Not sure what that is on the side
what's the timer for?
what triggers the bonus pay on the crowns?
it has a anti-cheat but no reset switch like the anti-cheat on my continental
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more pics
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made for european market problably.......
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made for european market problably.......
Maybe, but it spent time in Vegas
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I can't imagine, no jackpot...
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I found the reels thanks to the awesome site. going to see what else matches up.
model : 918-1
description : swedish mustang hold & draw with diverter
customer : sweden
percentage :
reel tapes : m-220-[1458, 1459, 1460]
reel contact plate wiring : w-1041-[1483, 1484, 1485]
schematic : w-1046-1253
payout counter : w-923-77
reel glass : g-349-344
display glass : g-363-11
bottom glass : g-359-23
index reels : p-484-[865, 866, 876]
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made for european market problably.......
Maybe, but it spent time in Vegas
maybe not :-)
model 961 was called "las vegas III". The 961-2 was "las vegas IV". Both were made for the swedish market.
I don't have any useful docs for the game. I probably have the reel tape symbols and index disc slot depth definitions are the same as the 918-1, but you already have the game with reel tapes on it.
the payout counter is also the same as the 918-1 (drawing w-923-77). How much of the game is just a re-themed 918 I don't know. If you use the 918-1 schem and replace mustang with crown, I guess you can see if the circuits match.
model : 961-2
description : las vegas IV
customer : sweden
percentage :
reel tapes : m-220-[1075, 1076, 1077]
reel contact plate wiring : w-1041-[1483, 1484, 1485]
schematic : w-1046-1351
payout counter : w-923-77
reel glass : g-349-387
display glass :
bottom glass : g-363-15
index reels : p-484-[865, 866, 867]
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The little plug is similar to a dip switch.
These can change a function depending on how they are wired and or inserted or not inserted.
Sometimes just moving them down one notch will make a change.
Or another feature / accessory could be added to the machine.
Trace out the wires and or pull the plug to see if it changes the operation of the machine.
Most likely it will only go together one way, but make note if you remove the plug.
The timer could be a feature that gives the player additional time to win extra coins while the lights are on
behind the crown / 20 pay.
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The timer could be a feature that gives the player additional time to win extra coins while the lights are on
behind the crown / 20 pay.
The timer is linked to the trigger which prevents the timer fan from spinning. I guess to let the reels to spin longer.
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top angle
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made for european market problably.......
Maybe, but it spent time in Vegas
maybe not :-)
model 961 was called "las vegas III". The 961-2 was "las vegas IV". Both were made for the swedish market.
I don't have any useful docs for the game. I probably have the reel tape symbols and index disc slot depth definitions are the same as the 918-1, but you already have the game with reel tapes on it.
the payout counter is also the same as the 918-1 (drawing w-923-77). How much of the game is just a re-themed 918 I don't know. If you use the 918-1 schem and replace mustang with crown, I guess you can see if the circuits match.
model : 961-2
description : las vegas IV
customer : sweden
percentage :
reel tapes : m-220-[1075, 1076, 1077]
reel contact plate wiring : w-1041-[1483, 1484, 1485]
schematic : w-1046-1351
payout counter : w-923-77
reel glass : g-349-387
display glass :
bottom glass : g-363-15
index reels : p-484-[865, 866, 867]
where can I find (drawing w-923-77) ?
one step forward two steps back now,
the hopper just spins as soon as the machine is turns on.
play the slot and it pays, spits out the quarters and the bell rings (pay is off, pays too much) bell stops after paying but the hopper keeps on running till the next winner.
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The little plug is similar to a dip switch.
These can change a function depending on how they are wired and or inserted or not inserted.
Sometimes just moving them down one notch will make a change.
Or another feature / accessory could be added to the machine.
Trace out the wires and or pull the plug to see if it changes the operation of the machine.
Most likely it will only go together one way, but make note if you remove the plug.
The timer could be a feature that gives the player additional time to win extra coins while the lights are on
behind the crown / 20 pay.
Some kind of addon by someone, I'd assume from the following
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where can I find (drawing w-923-77) ?
I don't think you need it.
you could draw it yourself from your second pic in post #2 if you found all the wire colors on the edge ... and compare those colors to the 918-1 schem.
assuming the game is very like the 918-1, then there's a few ways to power the hopper motor. The most likely issue assuming the motor is running but no coins are ejecting (override solenoid not powered) would be the "hopper cam switch #1" is stuck closed.
keeping in mind I've never seen a 918 style hopper, I'd guess the cam that is referring to is #34 on the below diagram, so see if there's a switch operated by that thing with white and green wires on it.
if it's not that, could be a stuck switch on the payout relay or collect relay ... again, white and green wires.
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Interesting machine. It appears to be some sort of mix of machines. I have several Las Vegas III and Las Vegas IV machines and though it has a 961-2 tag, the IV is a taller cabinet. As mentioned, it was made for the Swedish market. Wolftalk, looking at the part numbers on your list, it aligns with the 961-2 but the photo of the label in the machine is a Las Vegas III. I’m also in the thinking it has some Mustang blood in it.
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Thanks wolf, hopper is finally at peace. It's off and now turns on and pays (too much) as it should, bell goes off and stops. When I was cleaning contacts and inspected the hopper I noticed that two of the contacts where the wires are solder were touching. That took care it but I noticed something and was wondering if the coil belongs in the A or should be in the B. This machine has it built on the hopper instead of the back of cabinet.
Max pay is 20 so not a huge deal my OCD wants to know but again the dance continues as the hold/draw stopped working, but I know there is some broken wire in the main hardness to the door because some of the lights turn off on the door when I close.
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The the plug is for an extra coin mech, it’s possible to change the metal plate on the left of the reel glass, it makes the coin goes strait down to a box under the slot machine and it’s made for the Swedish marked, and it makes it possible to play with two different kinds of coins, for example you can only win token from the hopper and the real coin goes in the cashbox..
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wondering if the coil belongs in the A or should be in the B.
I'd guess it's correct like it is ... but I'm wrong on 50-50 guesses about 90% of the time :-)
SPN, slcjeeper or davidlee probably know for sure.
it is the standard safety timer ... I just can't get to my 929 at the moment to look due to some remodeling work blocking it.
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The the plug is for an extra coin mech, it’s possible to change the metal plate on the left of the reel glass, it makes the coin goes strait down to a box under the slot machine and it’s made for the Swedish marked, and it makes it possible to play with two different kinds of coins, for example you can only win token from the hopper and the real coin goes in the cashbox..
Thank you for the answer, that explains the side and the bottom of the cabinet.
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This is in the family of the Sir Prize/Jolly Joker machines made for the British market in the 1960s. These machines could be plug configured for one coin one play, or one coin two plays/one token one play. Originally there was a ratchet mechanism on the left side of the mech, where the black plate is now screwed on, operated by the black timing bar to count the two plays.
These machines had a "time jackpot". A secret reel combination - on this machine, probably a combination of bars and horseshoes - tripped the feature unit and for the next ten plays, any bonus symbol (crown in this case) on the line paid out. Try bar-bar-shoe and shoe-shoe-bar. As the note on the feature unit drawings says, originally the "Joker" unit was screwed inside the case above the handle, since the SP/JJ didn't have a top box.
I notice also this used to be a credit machine, but the credit counter is removed and the collect button blanked. That means it originally had to have an electrically stepped hopper counter and probably, somewhere, a motor cam to produce pulses. I don't know what the timer would be doing in the top box unless it controls "random hold".
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After a good deep cleaning, excess oil, lots of lube, bulbs swapped with LEDs the status of the newest member of the family is Good, Bad, and Ugly
Coin in, lights, bell, hold and draw, hopper paying, lights working seem to be working, played it for a few hours and it's good, the horseshoes in any positions work even the crown bonus (ugly) pays 20 as it should but...
The Bad, while it pays what it should pay there is an overpay on the 1 and 2 cherries (A. does that look right) and there is no pay on the oranges.
I removed the timer, and disabled the coil that it was connected to.
Now the Ugly, 1. The anti cheat coil is dead. I temporarily used a marker to close the switches.
2. Wires cut oh my! There are a number of wires that are just cut, or missing
B. Random yellow wire just chilling
C. Coin hopper divert coil?
D. Should this red and green wire join the other red and green wire?
I can only get the crown bonus to turn on and pay if I manually push the gear to start it, after it pays 3 times, it turns off.
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I can explain (A).
1. The "Pay 2" and "Pay 4" tracks are connected together
2. The second cherry line is connected to the "Pay 6" line
3. The third cherry line is connected to the "Pay 10" track
4. The Orange line (green/red) isn't connected to anything
Originally, 3 cherries paid 6 and there were plum symbols.
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This is in the family of the Sir Prize/Jolly Joker machines made for the British market in the 1960s. These machines could be plug configured for one coin one play, or one coin two plays/one token one play. Originally there was a ratchet mechanism on the left side of the mech, where the black plate is now screwed on, operated by the black timing bar to count the two plays.
These machines had a "time jackpot". A secret reel combination - on this machine, probably a combination of bars and horseshoes - tripped the feature unit and for the next ten plays, any bonus symbol (crown in this case) on the line paid out. Try bar-bar-shoe and shoe-shoe-bar. As the note on the feature unit drawings says, originally the "Joker" unit was screwed inside the case above the handle, since the SP/JJ didn't have a top box.
I notice also this used to be a credit machine, but the credit counter is removed and the collect button blanked. That means it originally had to have an electrically stepped hopper counter and probably, somewhere, a motor cam to produce pulses. I don't know what the timer would be doing in the top box unless it controls "random hold".
I tried to trigger different combos of horseshoes and "ballys" with no luck.
The "Bally" has 2 depths on the wheel 8 and 9, tried all combos.
If I manually push the Step-Up Coil it will turn the Crown Bonus on and will pay the 20 coins, on the next three plays when a Crown is on the line. After the 3rd win the jackpot turns off.
The FEATURE UNIT on page 36, Manual No.1900 Swedish Slot Machines looks like mine, minus the "Replay Register Assembly" which was removed by pervious owners, however there is and addition to coil which i wonder if it was once above the handle but moved when moved into larger cabinet or whatever happened. This addition coil is NOT hooked up it has no wire connected to the coil, and the wires coming off to it are shorted to other wires.
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I can explain (A).
1. The "Pay 2" and "Pay 4" tracks are connected together
Fixed: I remove the wire between "Pay 2" and "Pay4" game now pays two on one cherry
2. The second cherry line is connected to the "Pay 6" line
- This machine doesn't have any combo that should pay 6 currently
3. The third cherry line is connected to the "Pay 10" track
- as it should now it pays 10 but your saying it paid 6 but had plums???
4. The Orange line (green/red) isn't connected to anything
Originally, 3 cherries paid 6 and there were plum symbols.
I will admit that this machine seems to pay way too much and its because its a lot of cherries.
Cherries are at Depth 1,3,4,6 on wheels
1&6 are normal, 3&4 are crowns
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Interesting machine. It appears to be some sort of mix of machines. I have several Las Vegas III and Las Vegas IV machines and though it has a 961-2 tag, the IV is a taller cabinet. As mentioned, it was made for the Swedish market. Wolftalk, looking at the part numbers on your list, it aligns with the 961-2 but the photo of the label in the machine is a Las Vegas III. I’m also in the thinking it has some Mustang blood in it.
Reading "Manual No. 1900 Swedish Slot Machines July 20. 1972"
MODEL 856 "POKER"
The Bally "Poker" was designed as a card playing Restaurant Style Gam e with a top 20 coin (Token) payout and a replay register playoff system. The "Poker" Game features hold & draw operation (2 chances to complete a combination) and a special "Joker" (CROWN) payout. The "Joker Feature" (when lit) (CROWN) adds a big 20 coin win for a single Joker (CROWN) on the payline. Another customer pleasing feature is the "3 Jacks" (HORSESHOE) combination which pays 10 coins for three Jacks (HORSESHOE) in any position (27 ways). These special win features along with the numerous regular win combinations has made the "Poker" a popular standard.
MODEL 918 " MUSTANG"
The new Bally "Mustang" is a further development of the Bally "Poker", hold & draw type, slot machine. The "Mustang" features authentic wild-west styling with complimenting reel symbols and a animated mustang pony flashing along in the lit-up display unit. The mustang styling theme is also the games play feature. When this feature is lit, a single "Mustang" reel symbol on the pay line rewards 20 coins. In addition, a "Golden Horseshoe Feature" rewards 10 coins for three Horseshoes in any position (27 ways to win) . These "Specials" are in addition to the regular Cherry, Orange, Plum, Bell, Tepee(NO), Indian-Head(NO) & Bar awards. The "Mustang" is also equipped with the dual coinage set- up (Kronor/Tokens)(THIS MAHINE HAD THIS) with a Replay Register working in conjunction with the Kronor accepter (1 Kr. for a 2 game set-up). This register also records all wins for play- off or a payout (Collect Button)(HAD THIS BUT BLOCKED OFF NOW. A "Hold & Draw Feature" is also incorporated into the game play action for customer interest and a second chance to achieve winning combinations. The top payout on this type of game is limited to 20 coins (Token payout), however, the great number & variety of payout combinations in the 10- 20 coin range spice the action making the "Mustang" a lot of fun to play.
It would of been nice is it had the "mustang" symbols then the plain fruit,
The stamps on the reels match up with p-484-0852-0880
The Cabinet is CABINET ASSEMBLY - SEEDEN P. II Manual No. 1900 Swedish Slot Machines PAGE 26
The Top POKER/MUSTANG FEATURE UNIT Manual No. 1900 Swedish Slot Machines PAGE 36
I'm not sure what I have here anymore but I like it.
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A. The extra coins on the cherries looks to be a multiplication situation.
Not sure about that glob of solder going from one lug to the next. Also those wires soldered to the front of the board
could be in the wrong place.
B. Possibly yellow for coin tray lights. Where the coins come out there are two lights shielded by thick plastic.
Check for sockets still intact, good bulbs and a blue wire on one side. These or accessed from the inside of the machine on the door.
C. It appears the coin diverter coil and armature is missing. One of the cut orange wires would go there, the other would be a continuance of the orange circuit. The color-coded wire probably goes back to the switch that activates the diverter coil.
That would be a ball over the top of the hopper coin area or a switch on the front of the hopper on the right hand side bottom.
D. Pull back the clear protector over the red and green wire and you will probably see were the end of the other red and green wire was connected.
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D. Pull back the clear protector over the red and green wire and you will probably see were the end of the other red and green wire was connected.
I checked and it was clean, but just for shits and giggles I hooked it, only difference was that the "hold and draw" system stopped working, I removed it and its back the way it was.
Also they tray lights were cut (because its easier then changing the bulbs) I hooked them both back up and installed LED's however that yellow wire wasn't part of them. I haven't yet taken off the belly glass off yet, I'll get to that today, this J-O-B takes up so much time that I could be using on my hobby.
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Okay, making progress.
Attaching the r-g wire must of opened a circuit to the hold and draw.
No need to open the belly glass if the tray lights are working.
With the machine off check continue from the vacant yellow to a near by yellow.