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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S2000 and Vision Games => Topic started by: Jackalhdz on November 02, 2021, 12:30:13 PM
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Hello, I’m new to newlife :) and recently picked up a couple of slot machines. I have a igt S plus and I think it’s a igt s2000 vision because it has a screen on top but it’s not a bonus game…but I could be wrong. I’m having trouble with the igt S2000 machine and hopefully someone could lead me in the right direction. When I start up the machine the fluorescent lights turn on the bill validator boosts up. The reels don’t spin, neither dose the display turn on at all. And on the mother board lights 3 out of the 4 yellow lights are on and so is the green light. On the winner paid,credits and coin played I’m getting dot lights. Then after a few mins I get a “no disp†message I checked the mother board and removed the green battery “casino battery†and the other battery I replaced it with a new 3v battery. And still nothing. I checked the ribbon cable running from the display screen to the display board and it looked good with out any breaks. I ordered a a display screen and still didn’t work. I don’t know if I need a new mother board or a display board. Here are some pictures of the slot machine and motherboard. I don’t know which mother board it is. I’ve asked someone they told me it must be a 500 series but i only see 7551050 and seems like theirs a number missing. Thanks for your time newlifegames family
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Pictures
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No Disp means the MPU can't communicate with the VFD display. The VFD is a netplex device along with the bill validator and ticket printer. You can try to disconnect those and see if it sees the display, but my guess is the VFD controller is probably bad.
What is the history of this machine? Has it ever worked? You have a S+ SS chip and that normally is uses with a SB001000 base chip. You have a SB000001 from my listings is for a different game theme.
Does the upper vision display work?
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Also very confusing is: how would a vision game use an SS chip??
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Also very confusing is: how would a vision game use an SS chip??
I was wondering about that too. I couldn't find a Vision SB for Triple RW&B though. His SS chip does match a 2CM Triple RW&B (crappy 75% payback though). Perhaps SB000001 for Visions is the equivalent of SB001000's for non-visions? My listings show it is Times Pay Temp Rising theme though so I don't know. That's why I asked for the history to see if it ever worked.
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I think this is the first time I've ever seen duck tape holding a battery onto an MPU.... wow
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No Disp means the MPU can't communicate with the VFD display. The VFD is a netplex device along with the bill validator and ticket printer. You can try to disconnect those and see if it sees the display, but my guess is the VFD controller is probably bad.
What is the history of this machine? Has it ever worked? You have a S+ SS chip and that normally is uses with a SB001000 base chip. You have a SB000001 from my listings is for a different game theme.
Does the upper vision display work?
It belonged to my grandmother, the history is that she bought it at a auction and had it in her garage I ended up keeping it after she passed recently. From what I know is that the screen never worked or wasnt even hooked up. When I hooked it up I heard the speaks pop but just no display. When I got it, it seemed like they had it for coin play. It had coin in set up but was missing the comparitor. So I decided to take it off. Thanks for your reply. I will end up ordering a VFD board. What chip should I order for that particular game?
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I think this is the first time I've ever seen duck tape holding a battery onto an MPU.... wow
Yeah I had that just so the pins didn’t get squished before I soldered the new battery
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Also very confusing is: how would a vision game use an SS chip??
I was wondering about that too. I couldn't find a Vision SB for Triple RW&B though. His SS chip does match a 2CM Triple RW&B (crappy 75% payback though). Perhaps SB000001 for Visions is the equivalent of SB001000's for non-visions? My listings show it is Times Pay Temp Rising theme though so I don't know. That's why I asked for the history to see if it ever worked.
It belonged to my grandmother, the history is that she bought it at a auction and had it in her garage I ended up keeping it after she passed recently. From what I know is that the screen never worked or wasnt even hooked up. When I hooked it up I heard the speaks pop but just no display. When I got it, it seemed like they had it for coin play. It had coin in set up but was missing the comparitor. So I decided to take it off. Thanks for your reply. I will end up ordering a VFD board. What chip should I order for that particular game?
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triple RWB 2CM - SB100165
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I thought all vision base chips began with SB000XXX and non-vision base chips are SB100XXX?
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I think he just wants a SB chip for a 2cm rwb since the monitor doesn't work. I could be wrong.
EDIT: He may need an SS chip and a SB001000 for those strips though.
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No Disp means the MPU can't communicate with the VFD display. The VFD is a netplex device along with the bill validator and ticket printer. You can try to disconnect those and see if it sees the display, but my guess is the VFD controller is probably bad.
What is the history of this machine? Has it ever worked? You have a S+ SS chip and that normally is uses with a SB001000 base chip. You have a SB000001 from my listings is for a different game theme.
Does the upper vision display work?
It belonged to my grandmother, the history is that she bought it at a auction and had it in her garage I ended up keeping it after she passed recently. From what I know is that the screen never worked or wasnt even hooked up. When I hooked it up I heard the speaks pop but just no display. When I got it, it seemed like they had it for coin play. It had coin in set up but was missing the comparitor. So I decided to take it off. Thanks for your reply. I will end up ordering a VFD board. What chip should I order for that particular game?
The VFD itself is probably good, the controller is usually the problem. It's a small square board mounted on the door and a ribbon cable from the VFD will connect to it.
A Vision machine won't play if the MPU and topbox computer do not communicate with each other. You could probably get it working without it, but you'd have to replace the stepper game (SG) chips along with the base chip. The base chip Mark mentioned should work provided the reel strips are the same for that and the SS chip you already have. I'd get both a SB001000 and a SB100165 and try the SB100165 first (you have to remove the SS chip too). If the payouts match the glass then you're all set. If not put the SB001000 and SS chip in it and try that. For the SG chips get a set SG000363's. You'll also want a keychip so you can make changes to certain settings.
First you have to fix the No Disp error though because the machine won't try to boot any further than that until it's fixed.
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No Disp means the MPU can't communicate with the VFD display. The VFD is a netplex device along with the bill validator and ticket printer. You can try to disconnect those and see if it sees the display, but my guess is the VFD controller is probably bad.
What is the history of this machine? Has it ever worked? You have a S+ SS chip and that normally is uses with a SB001000 base chip. You have a SB000001 from my listings is for a different game theme.
Does the upper vision display work?
It belonged to my grandmother, the history is that she bought it at a auction and had it in her garage I ended up keeping it after she passed recently. From what I know is that the screen never worked or wasnt even hooked up. When I hooked it up I heard the speaks pop but just no display. When I got it, it seemed like they had it for coin play. It had coin in set up but was missing the comparitor. So I decided to take it off. Thanks for your reply. I will end up ordering a VFD board. What chip should I order for that particular game?
The VFD itself is probably good, the controller is usually the problem. It's a small square board mounted on the door and a ribbon cable from the VFD will connect to it.
A Vision machine won't play if the MPU and topbox computer do not communicate with each other. You could probably get it working without it, but you'd have to replace the stepper game (SG) chips along with the base chip. The base chip Mark mentioned should work provided the reel strips are the same for that and the SS chip you already have. I'd get both a SB001000 and a SB100165 and try the SB100165 first (you have to remove the SS chip too). If the payouts match the glass then you're all set. If not put the SB001000 and SS chip in it and try that. For the SG chips get a set SG000363's. You'll also want a keychip so you can make changes to certain settings.
First you have to fix the No Disp error though because the machine won't try to boot any further than that until it's fixed.
I greatly appreciate it guys! I will definitely put a order in soon and I’ll keep you updated!
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Found an old post from Roz (CVSlots) that indicates SB000001 allows vision machines to work with an SS chip like SB001000 does in non-vision machines.
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=5380.msg28579#msg28579 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=5380.msg28579#msg28579)
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Good find Cliff! I noticed the glass says coins not credits, so an SS chip is probably needed for strips to line up right. That SB100165 would probably not work.
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I think you're right.
Since the vision display isn't needed for a bonus round of some type and only displays "Good Luck" and maybe a couple of other messages I'd replace the SB000001 with a SB00100 and the SG000236's with SG000363's and then the MPU won't look for the vision computer. It'll play just like a normal non-vision S2000.
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Yep, skip the early vision software.
SS7542 97%
SB001000
SG000363s
Contact member RB, he should have everything you need.
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If those strips are for a 2CM Triple RW&B VISION game, it may not have the correct award symbol layout for an SS7542 chip?
Can you open the door, gently pull down the front of the strips of each of the three reels and give us the numbers?
There are people here that can match up and verify your reel strip numbers with the correct chip.
I will attach a link below to a very short video to show you how to do that :) ...>>>
https://youtube.com/shorts/CrZl_lcUvUg?feature=share
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If those strips are for a 2CM Triple RW&B VISION game, it may not have the correct award symbol layout for an SS7542 chip?
Can you open the door, gently pull down the front of the strips of each of the three reels and give us the numbers?
There are people here that can match up and verify your reel strip numbers with the correct chip.
I will attach a link below to a very short video to show you how to do that :) ...>>>
https://youtube.com/shorts/CrZl_lcUvUg?feature=share
Of course the firs reel is 84877900 2nd reel is 84878000 and 3rd reel is 84878100
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No Disp means the MPU can't communicate with the VFD display. The VFD is a netplex device along with the bill validator and ticket printer. You can try to disconnect those and see if it sees the display, but my guess is the VFD controller is probably bad.
What is the history of this machine? Has it ever worked? You have a S+ SS chip and that normally is uses with a SB001000 base chip. You have a SB000001 from my listings is for a different game theme.
Does the upper vision display work?
It belonged to my grandmother, the history is that she bought it at a auction and had it in her garage I ended up keeping it after she passed recently. From what I know is that the screen never worked or wasnt even hooked up. When I hooked it up I heard the speaks pop but just no display. When I got it, it seemed like they had it for coin play. It had coin in set up but was missing the comparitor. So I decided to take it off. Thanks for your reply. I will end up ordering a VFD board. What chip should I order for that particular game?
The VFD itself is probably good, the controller is usually the problem. It's a small square board mounted on the door and a ribbon cable from the VFD will connect to it.
A Vision machine won't play if the MPU and topbox computer do not communicate with each other. You could probably get it working without it, but you'd have to replace the stepper game (SG) chips along with the base chip. The base chip Mark mentioned should work provided the reel strips are the same for that and the SS chip you already have. I'd get both a SB001000 and a SB100165 and try the SB100165 first (you have to remove the SS chip too). If the payouts match the glass then you're all set. If not put the SB001000 and SS chip in it and try that. For the SG chips get a set SG000363's. You'll also want a keychip so you can make changes to certain settings.
First you have to fix the No Disp error though because the machine won't try to boot any further than that until it's fixed.
Hey guys good and bad news I finally got my VFD controller in today, and I was super excited to see turn on. That was the problem for the no display issue. But an another error came up on the screen said “display NETPLEX link is down†I did put the new circular battery on the motherboard. I did remove the green battery since it didn’t have very little power. Do I need to get a new battery for it to work?
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Make sure the power supply behind the reels is screwed in good. Could be bad power supply, printer or bill validator.
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Make sure the power supply behind the reels is screwed in good. Could be bad power supply, printer or bill validator.
I used my working BV from my igt S+ and place it in and still nothing. The power supply makes a small winy nose so it would be. This machine doesn’t have a printer. I do have some new news though 3 amber lights are on now instead of all 4.
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S+ BV uses different firmware than s2000.
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S+ BV uses different firmware than s2000.
Okay yeah I saw that my S+ has a wba-13-ss head and the s2000 has a wba -11-ss. & when I turn it on I hear a big click on the on the S2000 BV and makes the display turn off. Another question by having “display NETPLEX link is down†error would stop from the machine booting up as well? because the reels aren’t spinning either. I’m just afraid that I’ll have to buy a BV and then it be the motherboard
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S+ uses id022/023, s2000 uses id024
With machine off try unplugging the BV and then see if you can get past that error.
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S+ uses id022/023, s2000 uses id024
With machine off try unplugging the BV and then see if you can get past that error.
I unplugged the harness from the back of the bill validator and same issue, plugged in the harness removed the bill validator and still the same error. I noticed that the big click sound was actually the level solenoid
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Did you change any of the game software EPROMs on the MPU board? What is the condition of the MPU LEDs after you turn the machine on? It sounds like the MPU isn't booting now.
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Did you change any of the game software EPROMs on the MPU board? What is the condition of the MPU LEDs after you turn the machine on? It sounds like the MPU isn't booting now.
No I haven’t replaced any EPROM’s just placed a new circular 3v battery on it. The MPU board has some slight of battery acid where the old green battery was. When I turn on the machine the mpu board LED’s all light up besides the red. Which is 5 yellow and one green. And on the winning paid/credits/coin played screen still shows dots
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OK. Does the VFD display ever show "please wait... testing memory"?
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OK. Does the VFD display ever show "please wait... testing memory"?
No it doesn’t, it goes straight to “display NETPLEX link downâ€
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Check the +13 and +25 power supply outputs. Do the candle lights blink?
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Check the +13 and +25 power supply outputs. Do the candle lights blink?
Sorry for the late response, how can I check the +13 & the +25 power supply? And yes the candle is flashing “bottom yellow light candle is flashingâ€
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J9 on the backplane works for me. It's easily accessible. Bottom left orange wire should be +25VDC, bottom right red wire should be +13VDC.
Did you get the Netplex connector hooked back up when you replaced the VFD controller. It's the green wires that plug into the bottom of the board.
If you leave it powered on for a couple of minutes does the LED display go back to saying "no disp"?
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J9 on the backplane works for me. It's easily accessible. Bottom left orange wire should be +25VDC, bottom right red wire should be +13VDC.
Did you get the Netplex connector hooked back up when you replaced the VFD controller. It's the green wires that plug into the bottom of the board.
If you leave it powered on for a couple of minutes does the LED display go back to saying "no disp"?
Okay so I checked with my voltage meter and I was getting 1.8v on the orange and .7 on the red wire.
And yeah after some mins the winner paid screen will say “ no dispâ€. And yeah the VFD controller is plugged in green wires are plugged in
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Are you sure you were on the right connector, wires, and DC scale on meter? If they were that low the machine would be completely dead.
Ok, that's good.
Double check those voltages again.
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Are you sure you were on the right connector, wires, and DC scale on meter? If they were that low the machine would be completely dead.
Ok, that's good.
Double check those voltages again.
I’m not the best with a voltage meter or which setting it should be on. Here are some pictures I think your asking me to put it on. But I’m getting .4 on the red wire and 1.0 orange wire. And in one of the pictures I had it set to 200m
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Thanks for the pics. Looks like you're on the right connector and have the multimeter set to the proper range. The battery symbol on the meter display makes me think your batteries in the meter are probably low. Replace the meter batteries and try again.
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Thanks for the pics. Looks like you're on the right connector and have the multimeter set to the proper range. The battery symbol on the meter display makes me think your batteries in the meter are probably low. Replace the meter batteries and try again.
Okay changed the battery checked the orange wire and it’s at 2.6 and the red wire is 1.0
Got a different meter and it was giving me 4.6 on red wire and 10.9 on the orange.
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Ok. Try a different ground point maybe. Any interior metal surface should be good. Also make sure the probes are making contact with the pins in the connector. With voltages that low the MPU wouldn't boot and your lights wouldn't work either (the fluorescent lights work off the 25vdc power supply through an electronic ballast).
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Ok. Try a different ground point maybe. Any interior metal surface should be good. Also make sure the probes are making contact with the pins in the connector. With voltages that low the MPU wouldn't boot and your lights wouldn't work either (the fluorescent lights work off the 25vdc power supply through an electronic ballast).
I’ve tested a brand new battery (3v 2025)circular battery and it’s reading 3.2v so I know it’s reading good. Tested again and I’m getting lower results. Oh and now I only have 3 yellow lights and a green light on the mpu bard
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Your multimeter is set on 200Vdc...could you put it on 20Vdc when checking smaller voltages?
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Your multimeter is set on 200vdc...could you put it on 20vdc when checking smaller voltages?
I put it a 20v 3.47 on the red wire 7.2 but it seems like it’s just losing power it keeps dropping on its self. At times when I turn on the machine it turns of for a quick second.
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OK, let's try this. Check the voltage on the motherboard at J13 pins 3 and 4. Pin 3 will be a red wire, pin 4 orange. This is the power input connector directly from the power supply to the motherboard.
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OK, let's try this. Check the voltage on the motherboard at J13 pins 3 and 4. Pin 3 will be a red wire, pin 4 orange. This is the power input connector directly from the power supply to the motherboard.
Okay so while I waited for your responses I left the meter hooked up to J9 red wire and over 30 mins it dropped to 2.98
I checked the voltage on the j13 red wire and it’s showing 1.24 and keeps dropping orange pin is at 3.17 and keeps dropping
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wow....your power supply is like almost dead...with those readings.
Is the power supply pushed all the way to the right up in there behind the reels?
It must be not making full contact with the pins?
Pull out the reels and make sure that PS is making full contact to the right-side Molex header.
With the power cord pulled outta the wall, you can actually stick your right hand up there behind the Molex and use your left hand to push the power supply body towards your right hand....making sure the Molex and all of it's pins are pushed into each other.
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wow....your power supply is like almost dead...with those readings.
Is the power supply pushed all the way to the right up in there behind the reels?
It must be not making full contact with the pins?
Pull out the reels and make sure that PS is making full contact to the right-side Molex header.
With the power cord pulled outta the wall, you can actually stick your right hand up there behind the Molex and use your left hand to push the power supply body towards your right hand....making sure the Molex and all of it's pins are pushed into each other.
Just did that and I’m getting same results. I might as well order a new power supply. Question it wouldn’t matter that it’s a igt s2000 vision right? Should be the same voltage as the s2000. And would the power supply prevent the reels from boot up or is that something with the mpu board?
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An IGT s2000 and an IGT S2000 Vision ready machine use the same power supplies.
The MPU is just not getting enough juice to complete any boot up sequence.
I'm surprised the LEDs are even lighting up any.
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I should of noticed SCM mentioned in Reply #21 for you to make sure the power is screwed in tight.
Sounds like he also suspected something was up with that thing.
When a senior member is making suggestions like that, he 's a man of experience with slots ....probably been in the business longer than dirt - you should listen to him.
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An IGT s2000 and an IGT S2000 Vision ready machine use the same power supplies.
The MPU is just not getting enough juice to complete any boot up sequence.
I'm surprised the LEDs are even lighting up any.
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I should of noticed SCM mentioned in Reply #21 for you to make sure the power is screwed in tight.
Sounds like he also suspected something was up with that thing.
When a senior member is making suggestions like that, he 's a man of experience with slots ....probably been in the business longer than dirt - you should listen to him.
Oh I definitely do, I listen to everyone’s suggestions and I greatly appreciate anyone that is trying to help me with this problem. I’ll put a order in for a power supply. I’ll keep you guys updated when it gets here
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OK, let's try this. Check the voltage on the motherboard at J13 pins 3 and 4. Pin 3 will be a red wire, pin 4 orange. This is the power input connector directly from the power supply to the motherboard.
Okay guys two power supplies came in and these are the voltage I’m getting on both new ones
J13
Pin 3 orange left 10.4
Pin 3 orange right 10.2
Pin 4 red left 3.9
Pin 4 red right 3.9
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What values is your multimeter set to?
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What values is your multimeter set to?
DC voltage
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Are those voltage measurements with the power supply installed in the machine?
Something is dragging the voltage down.
Try unplugging all of the fluorescent light power packs disconnected and see what happens.
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What values is your multimeter set to?
DC voltage
Something is screwed up in your readings that you're getting?
Try using the 20vdc setting....not 200 perhaps?
But yeah...like Qbert says, something's dragging down your voltage output big time.
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What values is your multimeter set to?
DC voltage
Something is screwed up in your readings that you're getting?
Try using the 20vdc setting....not 200 perhaps?
But yeah...like Qbert says, something's dragging down your voltage output big time.
I’ll try but from experience I think the 200 is just for reading higher voltage. But I’ll try. Oh I have this connected on the cabinet. Idk what this is for though
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I’m starting to believe it’s my mpu or motherboard. How do I tell if I need the green battery on my mpu? And which mpu do I have by the pictures I posted so I can plan on buying a spare. Here’s another picture of the numbers I see on the top right of the board. And would you think this is enough of spilled acid to ruin a board?
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Try unplugging all of the electronic fluorescent ballast from the input side. I believe on a vision machine there are four. One for the lower door, one for the reels and two in the top box.
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That's a 500 series board and yours does look pretty bad from Varta corrosion. 504 boards are commanding the highest price because they don't have they the speaker hum. But I believe you can use a 502 without issue because vision sound comes from the top box. Even an A board will work if I'm not mistaken
I would still try my post above first.
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Try unplugging all of the electronic fluorescent ballast from the input side. I believe on a vision machine there are four. One for the lower door, one for the reels and two in the top box.
I unplugged all 4 ballast and it fell to .05 and sometimes to negative digits
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Yeah. That battery corrosion is pretty bad. Those traces are toast.
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Hey guys, great news! It ended up being the mpu board!! I just received the new one changed the chips off the old one. And got a “call attendant†error. Turned the jackpot key couple of times till it said press button 2-3 seconds. Closed the front door then got a “waiting for video display†error. Forgot I had disconnected the screen. Reconnected, restarted the machine and the reels spun!! The one thing is now I’m getting play 2 credits / insert coin. And the BV light is off and so are the rest of the buttons.