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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S and S-plus Reel Games => Topic started by: tmiron on September 16, 2023, 09:06:44 PM
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Hello Just got an igt slot and the top white light is blinking slow and the bottom orange light is blinking fast. There is no errors on the lcd panel and already checked door switch if there is a way to bypass please let me know. Model and error pic attached - there is no wires going to the bill validator door switch if you know how to bypass that also would be great thank you
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Can you show me a photo of your "already checked door switch" ?
What did you mean by saying that?
Exactly WHAT did you check?
I may be able to help, if you explain...Thanks!
The DBV door switch wires will be green....look behind bill box unit.
They may be hanging behind there, or tied against the left wall of the cabinet, under the pull handle mechanism.
See if the two green wire ends are tied/spliced together.
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Thank you for your reply - the last guy jumped them poorly re spliced and that error is gone - I now am stuck with the white light (top) still blinking slow which indicates door closed tilt - my battery is dead on the board so have a new one coming tomorrow - both of the optical sensors are jumped by me as well
Please see attached photos thx Tim
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When you replace the MPU battery, the codes should clear simply by closing the door.
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Hello I put the new battery in and I still have the slow blinking light - any ideas? Thanks Tim
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Forget about the light for the moment. What does the machine do or not do when you turn it on? Is there anything in the LED displays on the front of the machine?
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Just says last credits paid 12 no other error or displays but will not accept coins or bills - can go through the test menus fine
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12 is low battery. You need to open/close door to clear, can't just leave it bypassed in closed state.
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Ok resoldered battery and now I have error 61 how do I get past?
Thank you
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Ok resoldered battery and now I have error 61 how do I get past?
Thank you
Click on this link: http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=21017.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=21017.0)
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Ok hit reset and it dinged but came back again
Have a clear ram chip coming but have another issue
Both of my starred fs-2 so I replaced both now the top and belly lights work but not the reels
There is no spot for a starter on the reel glass just the ballast which looks like it is wired to the top
Does the top need a more powerful starter / have you seen this configuration before
Thanks again for all your help Tim
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Never mind found the starter hole underneath lol
Will report after the memory clear on Friday !!
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Well the memory clear chip worked and the reels initiate as they should but still have the dang blinking orange light saying the cash door is open do you have a wiring diagram so I can narrow down what harness is controlling the cash door - I jumped the green wires and that worked for about 5 minutes
Then back to blinking thx Tim
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It's possible, although not terribly likely, that it's blinking to indicate that the drop door is open, but before we go down that path, have you tried playing a paid game or two? On most machines that segment of the candle will blink after the door has been closed until the next paid game is completed. Then it will stop blinking.
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Hello I am unable to play a paid game - coins go drop through and bill acceptor does not take bills
On the self test the drop door is functioning as it should but yet the light continues to blink and not let me play
I am able to play with “service credits” but I am dumbfounded why it still is blinking
Bill receptor worked fine in self test also - is there a way to bypass the coin comparer thing?
The green light has never come on that unit.
Thank you for your help Tim
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The green LED light does not come on the coin comparator until the door optics are closed.
I don't understand what you're saying here...>>>
"...I am unable to play a paid game - coins go drop through and..."
Where do the inserted coins go?
Into the coin tray, the coin hopper, or thru the drop hole in the bottom of the cabinet?
When you insert a coin, does the "Coin Accepted" lamp light up?
If you want to sort of bypass the coin comparitor, open the door, pull it off of the plastic clips, turn it around and you will see a "rake".
Stick a folded piece of paper between the rake and the body of the coin comparitor to prop the rake upwards so it doesn't fall into the hole.
Turn it around and re-install it back onto the plastic clips, close the door.
Now any coin that fits into the slot on the deck will go thru.
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Hello,
The problem is with the candle light on it will not go into “live” mode
So coins go right through to tray / when on live mode I assume that’s when the “insert coin”
And green coin comparer lights come on
Frustrating I emailed IGT as well but haven’t heard back
Thank you for all your help Tim
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It makes me wonder if the dip switches are off how should 5678 be set for live play? - attached is a picture of the form - thank you!
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I would not hold your breath waiting for IGT to respond to your query.
First off they did not sell you the machine, and you are not paying for support.
Secondly the S+ series of equipment left all of the major casinos in the early 90s. They don't support the S+ series any more.
- You may still find one around in a casino that is totally coin operated as a nostalgia piece but then you might find an old Mills (mechanical) on display as well.
Thirdly they consider slot information as restricted to Casino Employees (no matter how old it is) - if they ever get back to you the first question you will be asked is what is your casino affiliation.
Assuming you make something up, Next they will ask for your badge number and will want to verify that you work for that Casino and you work for their slot department and the known slot supervisor allows you to have this info. Once again - don't hold your breath.
This forum is your last vestige for hope for old machines. This forum is run by home enthusiasts on a total volunteer basis. Please respect the people that reach out and try and help.
To your last post - and what Stayoutofthebunker replied to you. The coin comparator light will NOT come on. It blinks on for a brief moment when the door is closed and a coin is passing. You will never ever see it unless you mount a camera on the inside with some kind of slow motion photography setting.
The candle flashing is an error code that indicates that your door is open.
When the door is closed you will see a lamp come on behind the reel glass that says insert coin.
Is this light on ??? you didn't answer Stayoutofthebunker's question.
If you open the door, press the white test button a couple of times, close the door. The Winner Paid and Credit displays should go blank for a few seconds and that light should come on.
Is this the behavior you see ??
SO... assuming that it does none of those things.......
There is a set of door optics - One mounted on the cabinet and the other on the door. They need to line up.
Do they ??
These use pulsing invisible (IR) light. Its a security feature that prevents a strong light fooling the system into thinking the door is closed.
Using a Cell Phone camera you should see the emitter fluttering - You can't see it with the naked eye.
You won't see the receiver do anything as its not emitting light .... DO you see the fluttering.
If you search this forum - door optics do go bad - its a common problem.
Secondly is the door to your Bill Can closed ?? usually when machines are sold to the home users they strip these internal locks and sometimes the door doesn't close properly. This may also generate this same error condition. I have one that I use a small piece of electrical tape to hold closed.
Please post back all of your observations
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reply #2, you stated you jumped the optical sensors, what do you mean by that?
Jim
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I spliced (jumped) both the case optical sensor and the door optical sensor - furthermore did the same with the coin door and drop door switches - both not effecting the blinking light - was looking for a good wiring diagram to trace back the plug or chip that is causing the issue.
Also both the door switch and drop door test correctly in the self test which adds to the mystery thx Tim
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From one of Jims posts....in another thread.
Did you check the door optics test in menu 10_1, scroll to #13 close the door and see if the 1 toggles to a zero and back and forth, if not optics not working (or bypassed), machine will never work until this works.
If you bypassed this should be a solid 1.
If the Insert Coin light is not on the bill validator won't work as the machine is not ready to accept coin or credit.
In addition - its very likely that you will need a SET chip to enable the bill validator so we can leave this issue until after we get the machine accepting coins.
- A SET chip tells the slot how many credits to get for a buck. Ie Setting the machine for 0.25 allows 4 coins for a dollar. This doesn't impact your self tests just won't work in production.
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Hello went to self test and it does go to from 13_0 to 13_1 and from 31_0 to 31_1 for the drop door
However there is no test for the cash door do you know how to test that?
Thank you Tim
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There isn't a test for the cash door.
Physically check with a multimeter.
Try this...>>>
Watch the [Coins Played] window on the display as you move the door latch downwards until it is fully at the bottom of slot in the door.
Does the number momentarily go off and then come back on at any time?
If so, then the problem is that the door emitter or cabinet receiver optics are misaligned.
If you want to learn how to align them...ask and I will tell you how to line them up with a pencil and two pieces of masking tape.
I noticed something in your photo in Reply #10.
The machine is powered up but there's nothing being in the display at all.
Are your three reels stiff with resistance when the machine is powered up and the door is open?
Also, how exactly did you perform the 13-0, 13-1 door optics test when you've said that they're been bypassed?
Finally, is the bulb/lamp behind the [Insert Coin] display window good?
That lamp WILL come on IF the door is in a "closed state" - either bypassed or physically closed.
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Hello,
I don’t have door optics - they are bypassed as I mentioned in my last post - need a wiring diagram with color codes to try and find the cash drawer wires - it has to be the coin door - thank you
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To Marks point if the optics are bypassed 13-0 13-1 will not work.
They would be a steady 13-1 (closed).
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Interesting development you were correct I did output test number 41 and the “insert coin” lamp was in fact burnt out - in reference to how I performed the input tests I removed the bypass and put it back on-
FYI if I use “service credits” little white button the game functions perfectly
However coins are still going right through to the hopper
Thanks for all of your help - where do I go from here
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Do you have a sample coin in your coin comparator ?
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Now if the machine is registering that the door is closed - although can’t test the coin door
Shouldn’t the coin comparer light be on?
Thank you
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I don't see a sample coin in that comparator.
Slide the part back that is labeled - Slide and put in a quarter.
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Hello there is a nickel in the comparer - it is a nickel machine also the bill receptor is not lighting up that light tested good in tests - thanks Tim
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Per my earlier post.
You will likely need to get a SET chip to enable the bill validator. Especially if you ran a clear chip through the machine.
The S+ is a credit machine.
You put a coin in, you get 1 credit.
It doesn't matter what coin ... as long as the coin in the comparator matches what you drop in you get 1 credit.
The machine does not know what kind of coin you put in there. When you hit a winning combo for 15 coins - the machine either gives you 15 credits or 15 coins spew out of the hopper.
You will note the glass doesn't say You will win $3.75 (15 x 0.25) or 0.75 (15 x 0.05) it says 15 coins.
SO....
When you put a bill in the bill validator how many credits do you get for a buck ?
Clearly the slot doesn't know what kind of coins it uses...
This is where the SET chip comes in.
You SET the machine to be 0.05 so when you put in your $1.00 you get 20 credits.
So while the bill validator might have tested good.... until you use your SET chip its not going to light up and take any bills because it doesn't know how many credits to give.
On the NLG home page - bottom right hand side you will find RICKS FAQs and there is a section on using the SET chip to enable your bill validator.
Try removing your nickle and putting a different one in there. See if the results are any different.
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Hello I am unable to play a paid game -
I am able to play with “service credits” but I am dumbfounded why it still is blinking
The light is still blinking because you have not completed a paid game. Try not to focus on the light right now, let's focus on getting the machine to accept a coin.
I would strongly recommend hooking up a known good set of door optics. These machines were not designed to have the optics bypassed.
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One of the other possible reasons the coin-in optics isn't "seeing" a nickel drop thru to register as credits to the machine, is because the encoder coin guide inside the coin-in optics might be the one sized for a quarter.
If this is true, the nickel misses one or more of the ABC optics, and doesn't register a credit.
Look at the two different encoders in the photos below.
The three holes in the encoders are for the infrared light beams of the emitters and receivers in the coin-in optics.
The encoder guides is sandwiched in between the optic boards just beneath the coin comparitor.
Yours might be the top encoder which is made for larger coins than the smaller nickel that you're using.
The one I'm showing you in the photo is actually made for those larger casino tokens...which are even bigger in diameter than a quarter!
The bottom encoder guide has that little wedge to make a smaller coin move over to the left.
That makes the smaller coins like your nickels, slide OVER the holes to momentarily block the emitter light beam, and register a credit to the MPU.
The front board of the coin-in optic boards has the Service Coin button that you've used already.
That button ONLY works when the door is in an Open State and the door optics are NOT "seeing" each other, or inoperable.
Also, the LED light on the coin comparitor will not be on.
Although you state that it's a nickel machine, it may be possible that all they did was change the label sticker on the reel glass.
They may not have changed the encoder guide as they were supposed to, the deck coin slot, the wheel hopper shelf plate, or set the denomination with a SET015 chip for .05 cents.
Also, as many have stated earlier, you MUST get the door optics working correctly for the coin comparitor LED light to come on to accept coins AND have the correct encoder guides so the machine registers credits.
Finally, I hate to say it but when you bypassed the door optics, if you crossed the wires even once incorrectly, you may have burned out the emitter or receiver IC components on the MPU board, and it may never work again - even with a good set of optics.
If you've bypassed it correctly, the LED light on the coin comparitor should be on...if not, I will gander a guess that you've fried something on the MPU board or cooked the emitter optic itself.
Put the door emitter optic back on and view it with a digital camera to see if it lights up.
You can also try moving the lamp from the denomination socket on thereel glass display board into the [Insert Coin] socket for now, until you get yourself some new bulbs.
The [Insert Coin] lamp lights up as well - when the door optics are in a closed state.
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please explain how you bypassed the door optics? what are you using to simulate the opening and closing of the door.
if you feel the optics are working as they should, and you can operate the machine with the coin optics switch, then your problem is either the coin optics or the cc-16.
remove the surface mount transistor Q-2 or Q-4 from the coin optics board, this may solve your coin in issue. or shim out the rake on the cc-16 and see if it will allow the coin to go through and establish credit. or give you a code 21.
Jim
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After all the chip clears - I managed to break off the legs of the game chip so ordered new ones - will fill you all in in about a week - thanks to all of your thus far / Thanks Tim
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Hello - Got my replacement chips and the slot is still not accepting coins or bills. I made some videos for clarification- thank you
https://youtu.be/0WZULz9VZE8?si=d_ksb9kuXyGGqJB6
https://youtu.be/3a_-5jPpRdM?si=frxU4mzewV4b5u81
https://youtu.be/k9yQXHKBqZY?si=cuFoD4HImd4xlKMN
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Did you test the coin-in ABC optics? Did you try shimming the CC rake so it can't reject coins?
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Just did a b c successfully
Blocked the rake with paper and now gives me 21 error
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OMG!
You did NOT jump the door optics correctly! You wired them together?!?!?! :fryingpan:
That's like wiring a battery together! Positive with a negative?
That MPU could be finished!
Who in the world told you to wire the door optics together like that?
Your only chance to get that board working again is to get a long piece of wire.
Take the PURPLE wire from the door emitter harness end and connect it all the way over to the cabinet receiver optics' RED wire on that harness end.
Leave the black and green wires alone and unconnected!
If this works, the LED light on the coin comparitor will come ON and you'll be able to accept nickels although they may be wrong for the encoder sandwiched in between the coin-in optic boards.
Also, the zero in the [Coins Played] on the reel glass display will momentarily go out and may change to a different number.
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OMG it worked!!!
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OMG IT WORKED!!!
Thank you !!!!!
And the light went off finally will activate the bv and see if that works
Thanks Again !!!
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Ok bill validator is taking 1’s but not 5 10 or 20 do I need to get a new chip for the bv?
Thank you!
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Now you know one or BOTH of those optics are no good.
You will need new optics.
You can wire the purple and red wires to a cherry switch and the MPU computer will will assume it's closed physically, when the cherry switch plunger is pushed in.
As for your other question, that depends on what bill acceptor you have in there?
The old DBV145's only took small-headed bills...not the big heads.
You will need to get a DBV-200 for newer bills.
I'm guessing also a different vented power supply for it and the enclosure and bill box.
Ask vendor/member JIM for that stuff.
He's on the homepage of NLG under Midwest Slots with a phone number to reach him at.
Tell him I sent ya.
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There is no way to update the firmware on attached?
Thanks Tim
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Nope...IGT and JCM stopped updating those ones a long time ago.
That DBV-45 is like pushing 30 years old, buddy. Old junks :fuel_on_fire:
You need to get a hold of a DBV-200.
Send Jim a Personal Message.
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Send Jim a Personal Message.
Get a set of door optics from him while you're at it. :)
Congrats on getting the machine working. :cool_thumb_up: