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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => Bally Reel Games => Topic started by: athomegambler on January 31, 2015, 12:11:06 PM
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Hi my name is bill just joined your forum and would like help on repairs on my bally 5000 plus,,, model# S43M36T-00 Ser# S891003972 also had these at the bottom of the ID plate DCM-4-509 it has the CC-62 D coin camparitor and is a two coin quarter machine,,, little history on it the guy i got is found had it for some time and was trying to get it to work and had it in his garage on the floor,,,(dirty area) he told me it was blowing fuses with the black box power supply so he bought a replacement power supply and showed me with his meter on the door dist board that he was getting the 12 volts and the 24volts ok but when he checked the 5 volts on his meter was not showing anything,,,the power supply was showing a green light and all the lights on the slot machine worked ok, but nothing else would work ,,, quarters would just drop thru to the tray.....i bought it and have cleaned it up inside and out,,,, after doing a lot of reading online and getting a bally 5000 plus operator instructions manual i pulled out the mpu board , check the fuses, and reseated some of ribbon cables,,, i got the coin system to start working,,, i can get quarters now to go down and into the hopper unit,,, also i now seem ok on the dist door board getting just a bit over 5 volts,,,,when i plug in and turn on switch i can get for a second or two numbers on the top to read outs then they go away and i am getting the 82 ,,,,,, i need to also tell you that on the bottom right side of the unit the reset key switch is missing,,, just have a hole where is goes,,, there is a micro switch mounted inside near where the hole is but not sure what it is for or if that somehow worked together with the key switch???? so far have not been able to get any of the reels to spin or any of the buttons to light or work,,,,no sounds,bells or anything like that works yet....take a look at the photos and if anyone would like to give me a little help on what to do next,, would love to get it going thanks again
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So when you drop a coin, it goes to the hopper, but does it register on the display?
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Hi No not getting anything on the display except now the 82,,,, from what i have been reading my thinking is the voltage at the door dist board on the 5 volts needs to be adj... i read that it needs to be around 5.14 to get things to work??? does that sound right,,,, the voltage now is just a little over 5 volts like 5.1 or 5.2 volts
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Hi!
Try to clear RAM.
Maybe that is problem.
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Hi here are some more photos of the 5000 plus,,, the more i read about it the more i think i got a good deal,, as long as we can get it all working
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hi reading in the operator instruction manual about a option keypad for the 5000 bally does anyone have one they want to sell or know where i can get one and how much ,,, i think i am going to need one thanks
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I buy my keypad on ebay.com some years ago, but i don't want sell it.
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Ok i will keep looking for a keypad,,,,,, ok now i have some more questions,,,,, i have been reading about the voltages on the front door dist box,,,, when i checked the volts i missed the one that shows 7 volts so i went back and checked it and i am not getting any volts at all at that point,,,,, does that need 7 volts all the time and if so what should i check as why i am not getting 7 volts //// also at the 5 volts have read that that need to be higher like 5.14 or the machine wont work at all,,,, is that correct and how do i raise the volts at that point thanks
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There is one on eBay right now. They don't come up real often, at least to my knowledge, but I don't watch for them at all.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SLOT-MACHINE-BALLY-5000-SERIES-PROGRAMMING-KEYPAD-NEW-/331465932296?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d2ce8be08 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/SLOT-MACHINE-BALLY-5000-SERIES-PROGRAMMING-KEYPAD-NEW-/331465932296?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d2ce8be08)
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Hi thanks i got that one should have most of what i need when it gets to me to start doing some testing
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Good, I wouldn't want you be waiting another 2-3 months...you just never know when they will come up for sale, so you kinda gotta grab them if you need it! We may have a couple we'll be digging out am delisting, but I would suspect that would be a couple months at least.
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Hi,i mostly work on these machine,first of all clear the MPU board by putting a jumper as indicated on the manual, when done check if start up process is complete without any error code on the display board.close the door and drop a coin,if the coin drops in the hopper and is not counted,the problem is a bad comparitor,you'll have to replace it.this is what i usually do.
If not,I/O board can cause this problem too,I get it rarely
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ok thanks i will get started soon on some of these tests,,,, i have another part that is missing and not sure about the replacement,,,,, the key reset lock set that i keep reading about on the right lower side of the case is gone,,, just a hole about the size of a dime,,, now there is a small micro switch that has two wires coming out of it,,, i have tested the micro switch and it works ok,,, it is mounted very close to the hole and i would think there was some kind of a arm that would push the switch when the key was turned ,,,, my question is what does this really do and can i replace it with another type of switch key,,,, i found this one (see photo) and want to know if i get it and install it,, hook up the two wires to it would this work the same as the lever arm type of the setup,,, any input on this before it go and buy the new switch will help thanks
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The jackpot key switch has 2 prongs sticking out the back that the wires attach to. When you turn the key from the outside, the wires make contact.
I have them if you need one. Just noticed I don't have them listed on my site, but just email me and I will get it out to you today.
Roslyn
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ok before i order ,, question look at the photo ,, shows the micro switch i am talking about,, you can see where the hole is on the mounting plate,,, so are you saying i can replace the stock setup of a switch lock and the micro switch with just a replacement switch that does both in one unit,,, and that would be fine with me,,, just wanted to show to make sure of what i have thanks
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Hi i think this is the switch that is the type that i have now,,, on mine the flat extension is broken off,,, but with this i would still have to find the key/lock switch to match this,, just wanted to post the photo to help with the replacement thanks
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That's not the jackpot switch units I have.
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Hi yes that i what i kinda thought ,,, this is a lot different than what you were talking about,,,, but i dont care if it is the same ,,, just want to know if it will do the same function as the oem key unit and this micro switch ,,,if i mount a spring loaded key switch in the hole and hook the two wires to it,,, then when i turn the key it should do a reset to the slot the same way the stock bally set up did correct ???? my other question really is ,,,, do i really did it at all??? what is the main reason for it,,, is it just a quick easy way to do reset without having to open the door, or is there another reason to keep this hooked up thanks :Scratch-Head:
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Hi got another question,,, found this ( see photo ) and just want to know if the reels will fit my 5000plus,,,, guy not sure but said it is from 5000 not sure if it was a plus or not,,,, i dont know if mine are ok or not but the price on these are low enough to pick them up as spares if nothing else,,, said they are complete assy motors and everything,,,, said they all turn freely,,,, thanks for any feedback info on these
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Hi yes that i what i kinda thought ,,, this is a lot different than what you were talking about,,,, but i dont care if it is the same ,,, just want to know if it will do the same function as the oem key unit and this micro switch ,,,if i mount a spring loaded key switch in the hole and hook the two wires to it,,, then when i turn the key it should do a reset to the slot the same way the stock bally set up did correct ???? my other question really is ,,,, do i really did it at all??? what is the main reason for it,,, is it just a quick easy way to do reset without having to open the door, or is there another reason to keep this hooked up thanks :Scratch-Head:
Jackpot reset is used when a Handpay needs to keyed off the machine (when someone hits a jackpot larger than what the machine can physically pay out, typically only the top award for the game), and to get into and maneuver through menus in programming. A spring-loaded key switch is what they typically are (although the pic you showed is not one, so maybe the 5000 platform used a different type?).
I wouldn't let this hold me up in proceeding with the repair of your game, that's a very small component that may only be used once in a blue moon after machine is operational.
On those reels, if the seller doesn't know, then I wouldn't buy them personally. Especially if yours are not damaged or in need of obvious repair.
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Hi a little update on what i have been doing,,, ok may have made things worse not sure???? i have the bally keypad to be able to do some testing but i need to get the machine into a clear state to do that,,, so i have again been doing checks of wires ,,, voltages,,, boards etc,,, i removed the reels by unpluging them and then removed the complete assy then check the reel boad,,, looked fine... then put it back,,i pulled out both one and a time the mpu and the in and out boards and after doing that i again got on the led meters and grouping of numbers something like 1798 and 3489 the same numbers that are shown on the photos in my early posts,,, whatever i did got rid of the 82 and back to what it was at the start.... only thing is when i was getting the 82 code,,, the quarters would not drop into hopper they just passed thru and now the quarter are going into the hopper ,,, also and maybe one of you can explain this to me,,,, now when i turn the machine on the two red led on the mpu board are flashing ,,, is this what they are supposed to be doing???? before when i started up the machine when i had the 82 code they would come on for a second or two then go off,,,,,the other thing i did after reading in the manual was to turn off the machine then pull out the in and out board just enough to remove it from the main board and leave the ribbon cables connected turn on the machine then turn it back off and reseat the board and turn it back on again,,,,, is this what made everything return to where it was,,, like i said seems like some things got better but i am just not sure,,,,, have not been able to fine in the manual for sure about the red led flashing so please tell me if that is good i need to get it to clear so i can use the keypad please help any ideas on what to do next thanks
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read this post! the people who responded to that post are the people who could help get your machine going. the only thing we ever used the keypad for was to enable the credit mode, and set the jackpot limits. after clearing it , the machine goes back to a default setting, which doesn't include credit options.
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=4673.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=4673.0)
Jim
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thanks jim that post is very close to what i have on my machine,,,, first part about the battery being low or discharged sounds right,,, the guy i got it from had it unpluged for a long time in the garage,,, (he said he did replace the battery and the other day i pulled the mpu board out after having it on for a little over a hour and we did get little over 3 volts from it) ,,, i also have it in my garage and i am not keeping it plugged in and on all the time and with temps here below 32 at night i am sure i am having battery issues,,,right now i have in plugged in and charging up,,, i know today when i first plugged it in the quarters would not go into the hopper but after it started to warm up and i messed with the boards and reseating the quarters again went into the hopper ok,, so again all this about the battery and the temp warming up must be part of the problem... Now reading the rest of the post and looking at the photos his after doing the first part of trying to clear the ram,, he got what looked like PPPP on the leds , on mine they look like all 8888 but again could be part of battery problem and cold weather... so could you explain a little more in detail on how to do the two other types of clearing the ram,,,, the jumper and the moving of the jumper on the mpu board I would like to try those to see if i can get it to clear my ram.... thanks for all the help
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I cannot help you with this problem, I was trying to put you in touch with the people who really know these machines. The people are listed in that post reply.
Jim
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Hi ok i understand and thanks again,,, it does help and i have been reading more in the manual about the clearing of the ram,,,,
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Hi well have been out in the garage trying some more things today,,,, i rec a set of clear chips for the 5000plus so pulled the mpu board and from reading the manual saw what to do to remove the piggy back boards and replaced the U12 and U15 chips put everything back in and was hopefull that this would do something,,, like clear the board but did not seem to do anything,,,, their must be something else going on???? any ideas,,,, the battery voltage was up over 4 volts the readout on the leds were showing the same numbers as before changing the chips... I tried reseating the in and out and the mpu boards a couple of times and still did not change anything... help!!! :Scratch-Head:
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BALLY GAMING
TILT CODES
20 Coin in jam
21 Inappropriate Coin
22 Invalid coin
23 Coin not sensed
24 Coin Reverse
30 Hopper overpay
31 Hopper coin-out Jam
32 Hopper empty
33 Reset during payout
40-45 Reel error
50 Slot door open
54 Drop door open
60 Reset during bill change
70 Door open during reel spin
71-75 Reel movement improper
80 Rom checksum error
81 Low Battery
82 Door open during power down
83 Safe Ram error
83f Safe Ram format error
84 Ram error
90 Display error
91 Communication error
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hi thanks to everyone for the help,,, i do have the error codes,, my problem is now not being able to clear the machine so i can do the tests,,, i have the keypad and manuals ,,,, i have another question,,,, the clear chips that i tried,,,, i put the piggy back chip packs back on the mpu board before i put back into the mach to try to clear and it did not work,,, was i suppose to leave that off to clear the board,,,, also i found another mpu board for sale,,, should i buy it,,, not to much money but not sure it is in working condition either,,,,just can not understand why i am not able to get the slot to clear,,,,,, i kept the mpu board inside last night and just tested the batter and it is at 3.86 volts so going to take it out and try again to see if i can get it to clear the ram,,,,, again any ideas thanks
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Try this to clear completely the ram,take off the battery by desoldering it,wait about 30 sec then resolder it and start your machine, if everything is ok, you won't see any tilt code except door open.this method is the hard way to clear the ram.let me know the result
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Hi ok but have a question first... i still have the clear chips in the mpu board,,,, should i put the reg program chips back in first.... thanks
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Hi well we are getting some life out of it now!!!! Here is what i did and in order what came up on the led display panel.....first i put the U12 and U15 prog chips back in and reinstalled the mpu board,,,, turn on switch and all three of the reels started turning slow,,, also in the win a 5.2 in left corner then in right corner a 4.6 these were coming on and off in that order ,,, also had in the last in at bottom a F ,,,,, then i pushed in the door open switch at the bottom of the machine and a JP came on in the paid and the 5.2 was replaced with JP which alternated on and off with the 4.6 to the far left and the JP to the far right up in the WIN ........then i reached into the machine and pushed in the switch mounted inside where the key reset would be and the three reels stopped and now have OO in the WIN EE in the paid nothing in credit and have a 6 in last in at the bottom and 1 in the coin at the bottom......... :applause: please explain I left the slot machine turned on with this showing on the leds and shut the door,,, no change with anything,,,,,, I tried a couple of quarter but they just fell thru to the bottom tray.......i really did not expect them to count but wanted to see so i could give you all the info i could.....we are getting life out of it now,,,, great....... what is the next step now,,,, are we ready to plug in the keypad for test or ?????
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Hi just went back out to check to see if anything had changed on the disply,,, all the same so i started pushing in the buttons on the play panel with the door closed,,, nothing happed untill i got to the button press for service when i pushed it in the three reels again started spinning slow just as they did before,,, 4.6 and JP in the win came on again JP came on again in the paid and F again shows up down at bottom in LAST IN ,,,, I again open the lower door and pushed the reset switch as i did the first time and everything went back to OO in the WIN EE in PAID and at bottom back to 6 IN LAST IN AND 1 IN COIN IN so just wanted to update again what is next thanks :thank_you:
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Hi another up today has been very good day,,,,went back out and ran several resets watching what happens each time,,,, also after each reset i pushed the press for severice button again watching it,,, it goes thru a number of tests with numbers in the win leds starting with 1000 and continues up thru 2700 then goes to 00 in the win EE in paid blank nothing in the credits and it had last in 6 and coin in 1.... did this like i said a number of times then,,, i turned off the power switch and waited about a minute and turn back on,,,, and got to a point where i just had 00 in the win and a 0 also in the paid credits blank and at that point i pressed the pseudo coin button with the door open on the dist board,,,,,got 2 on the coin in at the bottom and shut the doors hit the spin button and we got the reels to spin full speed,,,,i did this several times and then i hit a pay combination and got a 4 up in the wins,,,, ok very happy got all this working today,,,, now for the bad,,,, now i have a code 32 up in the win at the left corner and the 4 in the right corner,,,, i checked and i know that is 32 for pay-out mty( i dont have anything in the hopper and not even sure if it will work) and the 4 is for a 4 quarter win pay,,,, it shows 0 in the paid still blank nothing in the credits and down at the bottom in last in shows 2 and coin in shows 2 for the two times i pressed the pseudo coin button,,,, now how do i clear the 32 mty pay out error code,,,,,,, i hope there is a way to clear this out,,, anybody can help me on this,,,, dont want to have to pull the mpu boards again and change the chips if i dont have too thanks :duh:
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HI another update ,,,went out to garage (very cold ) wanted to see in the cold and overnight if it would still hold its memory and work as it did before, had the same code flashing back and forth between 32 and 4,,, tried to do a couple of resets by pushing the reset button and turning on and off power but could not clear the code,, then i tried turning off power and pulled out the in and out board( leaving the ribbon cables connected and turned on the power,,,, now this is working fine to do a soft clear( that would not work before) but it did a CH then after a couple of seconds went to CL put the board back and turned the power back on and the machine went thru the reg series of numbers then the code changed to 31 , checked the code and it now was a coin payout jam, i tried it again and got the same code, then i thought maybe if i put the hopper back in( still dont know for sure if the hopper will work) plugged the cable from the hopper back into the board and turned the slot on and it cleared the coin jam after i pushed the the switch that goes to the keyreset...... i then opened and closed the lower door several times,,, now we also have the correct code coming up for the door when the lock key is turned and when the door is in the open position and WIN went to O and paid went to O and credits show nothing bank and the lower showed 6 for coins played and coins in now was O, I was very happy and went to try the quarters into the mach to see if it would play ,,,, put two quarters in and they both showed up on the coins in,,,,, hit the play button and it worked,,,, all three reels spinning and stopped as it should.....I stopped there not wanting to get into a win again,,, now need to go thru the hopper and make sure it will work........ I posted all this to help anyone else that may run into the same problems with the bally 5000plus..... i still have a lot of things to do,,,, want to get handle to work and dont have lights on the buttons working but i am very happy thanks again for all the help you have given me to get this far :thank_you:
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Hi another update,,, I worked on the hopper today and filled it with about 300 quarters to try it,,,, it seems to be working fine,, counts out the correct number of win/paid,,, put about 200 pays thru the machine for testing,,, see photos of a 40 win payout ,,,, now need to work on the other items not working,,,, will be trying to get the button lights to work,,, question do they have bulbs in them and are they replacements special ,, if so does anyone know the correct number and where to get them,,, also need to fine out why getting no sound at all, i know there is a sound board but still have to do reading to fine out more about it,,, also i know the bell up is not connect as i can see the wires ,,, also how do i remove the top glass to be able to get at the very top area thanks :dancing_2:
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Buttons - The socket and the bulb are removed for replacement from inside the door. Look at the buttons from the inside/underside, and you will see where the switches attach. Wiggle the button "butt" (lol) back and forth, left to right and they will pop out. You know you've done it right when your knuckles are bleeding! :rotfl:
Bulb Replacement - Easiest way to find replacement part spec is to see what is in it now, and replace with exact (or something to it). Too hot of a bulb will melt the exterior lens.
Volume - Make sure sound is adjusted in menu. You can perform a sound test (if you can find one in the manual if still no sound to help troubleshoot.
Top Glass - Lift/Push up on glass towards top of cabinet to unseat it from the bottom retaining bracket, then gently lower it down and out of cabinet.
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Hi thanks for the info,,, got the glass out,,, i had something loose with the top light,,, the long tube light works but sometimes it goes out the have to move it around to get it working agian,,, i will work on getting the bulbs and sockets out to see what kind of light (type size they take today) i worked wit the volume and i did get the sound to work with the toggle switch on the back board if i switch it to simple sound,,,, but so far have not been able to get the sound to work the other way,,,, is their any way to get , or hook up some additional speakers or add a small amp to make sound better ????? thanks
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That 82 could be a low battery.
If it is a 3 legged type of rechargeable battery leave the machine on for a while and see if it charges back up. With power off, after charging, the battery should read higher than 3 volts DC.
If it is a lithium battery, not chargeable, check for a voltage of at least 3.4 volts DC. There is also a mod to the MPU board that needs to be made for the lithium battery to work properly.
Some diodes need to be added and some traces need to be cut.
If it reads lower you will need to replace it and do a clear.
There is a small adjustment on the black power supply to set the 5 volts to 5.16 volts. If the power supply won't adjust then you may need your power supply worked on.
You should be able to reach this adjustment without removing the power supply via a hole on top or on the side.
If you can't get the proper 5 volt setting you may need to send the power supply in for repair. Call Larry at 702-363-9998, he is a pro on the Bally 5000.
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Hi thanks for all the info and replys,,,, but i am way past that now,,, got it to reset and got it working now,,,,working on some of the small problems and some lights not working but thanks to all you guys and help i now have a working 5000plus machine,,,,
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Hi well we are getting some life out of it now!!!! Here is what i did and in order what came up on the led display panel.....first i put the U12 and U15 prog chips back in and reinstalled the mpu board,,,, turn on switch and all three of the reels started turning slow,,, also in the win a 5.2 in left corner then in right corner a 4.6 these were coming on and off in that order ,,, also had in the last in at bottom a F ,,,,, then i pushed in the door open switch at the bottom of the machine and a JP came on in the paid and the 5.2 was replaced with JP which alternated on and off with the 4.6 to the far left and the JP to the far right up in the WIN ........then i reached into the machine and pushed in the switch mounted inside where the key reset would be and the three reels stopped and now have OO in the WIN EE in the paid nothing in credit and have a 6 in last in at the bottom and 1 in the coin at the bottom......... :applause: please explain I left the slot machine turned on with this showing on the leds and shut the door,,, no change with anything,,,,,, I tried a couple of quarter but they just fell thru to the bottom tray.......i really did not expect them to count but wanted to see so i could give you all the info i could.....we are getting life out of it now,,,, great....... what is the next step now,,,, are we ready to plug in the keypad for test or ?????
I'm having very similar issues with resetting the safe ram (83), I bought the clear chips installed them and got nothing at the display. I then re-installed the original chips and same error code 83 at the display? Was I suppose to leave off the piggyback board?