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Title: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: Border01 on January 25, 2016, 06:51:51 PM

I have a Bally Wild Times 3 reel single line slot machine. I purchased it with an 83fo error. I found on nlg that code was a program chip error. I removed the mpu and found it had installed a U28 and U43 clear chips no mains. I ordered and received new mains today. I did a full ram clear, installed the new mains, turned the power back on and than hit the change button (I have no idea how to set programming up). The game plays but the wins do not match up properly and the wild times bonus does not activate when it should. Do I have the wrong mains or do I need to program something?

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: rokgpsman on January 25, 2016, 07:01:56 PM

not exactly sure but this might be what's going on,,,,,

There are often similar but slightly different versions of game software available. You may have received the wrong software eproms for your machine (I think this is what you are calling "mains). Can you show us a photo of your game eproms on the mpu board, with the labels readable? The software eproms have to be used with the correct reel strips or something like you describe can happen. If so, you can either get the correct game eprom chip/chips, or change the reel strips to match the game software you installed. The reel strips have a part number on one end, you can list that here for folks to check. Or show a photo of the strips. It sounds like there could be a mis-match between reel strips and game software chip/chips.

Another thing is that the reels may have been installed in the wrong positional order. For example, maybe reel #3 is in the #2 position. The reels are all the same but the strips mounted on them are not. The machine does not care what the reels show, they are just for the player's enjoyment. So you can have the reels installed in the wrong order and the symbols will not match the payoffs.

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: Border01 on January 25, 2016, 07:16:20 PM

I really don't have any idea what I'm doing. I ordered the mains (in photo) from eBay. I hope the photos help.

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: LINDAM on January 25, 2016, 07:28:21 PM

1st, you need a 6000 manual to set it up, it's on the web in several places or D/L here.

2nd, make sure the reels are in the right order, reel strip number should be consecutive. ie: XXX4, XXX5, XXX6.

3rd, Provide the game chip numbers so we can see if they are even for your game.

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: Border01 on January 25, 2016, 07:36:15 PM

I honestly do not know what the original chip numbers would be. They were missing from the mpu. The location on the board is all I know. U28 and U43. I think based on your comments that I have the wrong chips. I dont know what I should do to obtain the correct ones?  I will look for numbers on the reels. I am very grateful for your guidance

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: rokgpsman on January 25, 2016, 07:41:03 PM

The ends of the reel strips are overlapped and attached with a little gummy adhesive or double-sided tape. You can carefully pull the end of the reel strip up to see its part number. If you do this to each strip write them down and you can see if they are in sequence. Report what you find and we'll advise.

You may not have the correct game software chips but checking the reel strip is easier so I'd do it first. Plus knowing the part numbers of your strips will allow us to tell you what game software chips you should have.

Also, if you could post a more clear photo of your mpu board eproms (the chips will labels) that would help to read what is written on them. Maybe get a little closer to the board.

And don't worry about being unfamiliar with some of this stuff, everyone starts out this way.

Below are some strips (not yours) that show where most companies put the strip part number.

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: LINDAM on January 25, 2016, 07:48:21 PM

The game chips U18 & U20 not the mains

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: pbwizard25 on January 25, 2016, 07:53:19 PM

Your game chips are U18 and U20. They may not be the correct chips for your game. I cant read the numbers on the chips to verify. I think they should be smi 9526. Scott

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: Border01 on January 25, 2016, 07:55:49 PM

The numbers on the reels make no sense.

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: rokgpsman on January 25, 2016, 07:57:17 PM

Here is an enlargement of the game chip area from your mpu photo. Unfortunately it is difficult to read. If you can read the labels better in person maybe you can tell us what they say. The 2 chips to read are U18 and U20, look for the markings on the board to tell you which chips are which.

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: rokgpsman on January 25, 2016, 07:59:16 PM

Quote from: Border01 on January 25, 2016, 07:55:49 PM

The numbers on the reels make no sense.

Read it backwards, like in a mirror.

M923-4642 maybe?

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: Border01 on January 25, 2016, 08:03:30 PM

This is on the mpu. No idea if it helps

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: pbwizard25 on January 25, 2016, 08:07:58 PM

I just looked up the e663111 number and they are the wrong game chips. You have game chips for a Black and White. It is not your mains. Scott

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: rokgpsman on January 25, 2016, 08:12:45 PM

Quote from: pbwizard25 on January 25, 2016, 08:07:58 PM

I just looked up the e663111 number and they are the wrong game chips. You have game chips for a Black and White. It is not your mains. Scott

Just a guess, but someone may have stuck another mpu board from a different machine into your machine before you got it. They would explain it having the wrong game software chips. You will need to replace the game chips with the correct ones.

What is the history on the machine? Did you just get it, maybe the seller can tell you more about what has happened or maybe he still has the original mpu with the game chips you need.

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: Border01 on January 25, 2016, 08:16:37 PM

Thanks very much. The reels have the following numbers: 
Reel 1. M923-4641
Reel 2. M923-4642
Reel 3. M923-4643

Where can I buy the proper chips and what am I looking for?

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: rokgpsman on January 25, 2016, 08:17:54 PM

Quote from: pbwizard25 on January 25, 2016, 08:07:58 PM

I just looked up the e663111 number and they are the wrong game chips. You have game chips for a Black and White. It is not your mains. Scott

pbwizard,
Does your reference show what the correct game chip part numbers should be for his machine?

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: rokgpsman on January 25, 2016, 08:19:33 PM

Quote from: Border01 on January 25, 2016, 08:16:37 PM

Thanks very much. The reels have the following numbers: 
Reel 1. M923-4641
Reel 2. M923-4642
Reel 3. M923-4643

Where can I buy the proper chips and what am I looking for?

From your strip part numbers it looks like they are in the proper order. Someone probably stuck in a different mpu board from another machine.

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: LINDAM on January 25, 2016, 08:20:30 PM

Your chips are for:
 

All American

BLACK AND WHITE DOUBLE JACKPOT (TRIPLE 7S?)

TRIPLE BLAZING 7S DOUBLE JACKPOT

Triple Blazing 7s Double with Kilroy

Triple Blazing Double Money (Money Series)

Twist and Shout Double

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: Border01 on January 25, 2016, 08:24:39 PM

Is it possible to get the proper chips for wild times?

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: rokgpsman on January 25, 2016, 08:26:51 PM

Quote from: Border01 on January 25, 2016, 08:24:39 PM

Is it possible to get the proper chips for wild times?

yes, someone will have them. If no one here offers them to you then try contacting various slot machine dealers, there are several listed on the NLG homepage. If you can get the part number for each chip from one of the experts here then it will help you to get the correct chips. Otherwise you will ask for game chips for Bally 6000 Wild Times, 3 coin max machine. There may be a cross reference here on NLG that shows the game chip numbers, try looking at this sticky note at the top of this Bally forum:

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=207.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=207.0)

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: Border01 on January 25, 2016, 08:29:07 PM

What information do I need to provide to get the correct ones?

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: rokgpsman on January 25, 2016, 08:43:38 PM

I can't vouch for this guy but he is probably familiar enough with Bally machines to tell you which chips you need. You can contact him thru his ebay ad, tell him what machine you have and go from there. My guess is that the chips he sells are not original Bally parts, it appears he makes the chips himself with an eprom burner. But they will work fine, the machine won't know there isn't a Bally sticker on the chips.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bally-Slot-s5500-s6000-personality-Game-chip-set-/252262569574 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bally-Slot-s5500-s6000-personality-Game-chip-set-/252262569574)

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: Border01 on January 25, 2016, 08:53:11 PM

Thank you all so very much. I will attempt to find the proper chips. Crossing my fingers

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: rokgpsman on January 25, 2016, 09:07:49 PM

Quote from: Border01 on January 25, 2016, 08:53:11 PM

Thank you all so very much. I will attempt to find the proper chips. Crossing my fingers

Good luck, hopefully that will take care of your problems. We like to hear how these things turn out, so please come back and report how it goes. If the ebay guy doesn't have the chips you need there are other places.

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: LINDAM on January 25, 2016, 09:29:21 PM

Not to worry, Tim is good people. He will treat you right. I don't think he's gonna have them though, but try him

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: rokgpsman on January 25, 2016, 09:52:38 PM

Rudy's has several glass pieces and reel strips for your machine, you can try contacting them to see if they possibly have the software chips.

http://rudysdeals.com/index.php?route=product/search&search=wild%20times (http://rudysdeals.com/index.php?route=product/search&search=wild%20times)

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: rokgpsman on January 25, 2016, 10:13:21 PM

Quote from: Border01 on January 25, 2016, 08:53:11 PM

Thank you all so very much. I will attempt to find the proper chips. Crossing my fingers

Hoping this is not what you end up having to do,

but an alternate plan if you are not able to obtain the correct game chips would be to convert the machine to another game. You could pick a popular fun game that has the needed conversion parts available. Just have to install the game chips, reel strips and glass (to make the game look right). The main pieces of glass (belly and top) should be available for popular games.

I'm not familiar with the game software you have now (Black & White) but it might be a fun game, just would need to track down the reel strips and some glass. As mentioned earlier those game chips you have on your mpu board will work for several similar clones of the same game. (different game themes). So you'd have a choice among that group of games.

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=9731.msg52282#msg52282 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=9731.msg52282#msg52282)

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: rokgpsman on January 25, 2016, 10:28:59 PM

Here's an idea you can try if you have trouble finding the Wild Times software chips. This guy is a slot machine seller on ebay, he has a machine like yours. These slot machine sellers often know enough to do some repairs or have someone that does it for them. Contact this guy and send him $25 if he will make an image of the Wild Times U18 and U20 chips and email the image files to you. Then you can make your own or have someone do it for you.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bally-Wild-Times-Slot-Machine-/321983485744? (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bally-Wild-Times-Slot-Machine-/321983485744?)

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: pbwizard25 on January 26, 2016, 03:21:35 AM

SMI 9524, 9525, 9526, 9527 or 9528 are game chips that are for your game. Scott

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: Border01 on January 26, 2016, 07:50:33 AM

I would like to take a moment to thank all the members of NLG who have so very graciously donated their overwhelming knowledge to solve my game issues.  It truly is humbling to find such generous individuals helping those of us who are so inexperienced. 

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: Border01 on January 28, 2016, 05:38:28 PM

I was fortunate enough to locate some programming chips. I should have them soon. I have noticed that the belly door, and reel florescent bulb starters are missing. Does anyone no what the starter numbers are?

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: LINDAM on January 28, 2016, 06:18:15 PM

Most are F-2

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: Border01 on January 28, 2016, 06:35:06 PM

Thank you. I will look for them

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: Border01 on February 03, 2016, 11:49:16 AM

I received my program chips for wild times today.  Do I need to perform a clear before installing them?

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: pbwizard25 on February 03, 2016, 12:43:28 PM

I would install then clear.

Title: Re: Bally 6000 game not playing proper
Post by: Border01 on February 04, 2016, 07:54:50 AM

Thanks to the guidance of everyone on NLG I have a fully functioning Wild Times slot machine.  It was the wrong personality chip set that caused the problem.  I am very grateful for all the assistance.