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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2018, 09:58:24 AM »
I'm guessing that's the test button under the power switch. Have you tried pushing it more than once to try to advance through the menu? If it continues on through different digits and then goes blank, try inserting a coin then. I wonder if it's just sitting on a test page.

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2018, 11:03:10 AM »

Typically the winner paid and credits is blank until coins are inserted & played..

On the newer S+ (sorry my only frame of reference) they have coin optics that have a very small button on them. This will add a credit to the machine when the door is open.


Coin in --> Coin Comparator --> Coin Optics --> Credit.
The comparator compares the coin dropped in with a sample coin to ensure it has all the right metal properties. The S may perhaps only have a mechanical coin mech as some of the early S+'s still had mechanical ones.


The Coin Optics have an A B C sensor. This ensures that coin passes only one way vs someone tie'ing a string to a coin and pulling it back and forth to generate more credits (known as stringing). I am pretty sure that the S had a coin optic but I don't think it was the secure ABC optic.
Ie a coin passing each of the three sensors A,B,C is different than going backwards as C,B,A.


Another form of cheating was to use a light pen to blind the optic sensor and then by flashing the light it would appear as a coin had been passing and it would generate a credit. The ABC sensor was immune to this.

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2018, 06:35:30 AM »
Thanks for the reply, but my problem is when hitting the coins optics credit button, nothing happens, also of note as mentioned earlier the led does not light up on the coin comparitor, I have 13 volts ac to the coin comparitor but the label on it states 24 volts dc, if I hook up a jumper wire from system ground to the ground terminal on coin comparitor the led will light up but is very dim, it also causes a buzzing that is coming from the coin diversion lever and electro magnet inside the coin comparitor, if I push the lever towards the electro magnet buzzing stops but the magnet is not strong enough to hold it. This to me means voltage is to low and could be part of the problem. Just for reverence  I tested all voltages coming from the main  multi voltage transformer as seen in the pictures and none of them produce 24 volts, so I believe I have a voltage problem or maybe system requires a 13 volt ac coin comparitor. One of the members ask me to remove and inspect the mother board , since then the machine acts a little different once I put the board back in, not sure if related or just coincidence. There is a picture of my mother board with some type of jumper wire soldered to board from connector to diode on the board, this appears to be some type of repair or bypass of a circuit. Does anyone know whether this machine truly is a 24 volts or 13 volts system? Would trying to apply 24 volts with an another source to the coin comparitor be a good test? Anyway thanks for all your help

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2018, 07:14:42 AM »
Are you running 110V or 220V for power to the machine?  I don't know how or if the S model machine can be switched between voltages. Jim would probably know but I think hes on vacation.

LED on comparitor will not light up when door is open. The coin comparitor (CC16C or D) should be 24V for the S model machine.

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2018, 07:41:31 AM »
There is a 120 volt cord that plugs into regular outlet wall outlet , but that wiring goes to transformer inside the machine that jumps it up to 240 volts, there are stickers all over inside stating 240 volts, coin comparitor states on label CC-16E,24vac. As for coin comparitor not lighting up with door open, my machine has simple door switch , no optic sensors at all for knowing if the door is open. I can close the door switch but still no light, I did test the door switch with a DVOM and it works correclty

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2018, 08:25:18 AM »
First and foremost, QUIT  grounding items trying to get the results you are looking for, you will only do more damage than good. What voltage is being produced where you live?  120 vac or 220 vac,  if your wall socket is putting out 120 vac then the machine should be set up inside for 120 vac. here is how it typically works: machines were made to operate on an INPUT VOLTAGE of either 120vac or 220 vac, that input voltage was presented to the input transformer and depending which winding's  were selected the output voltages WERE THE SAME.  THE PURPOSE OF THE TRANSFORMER was to convert a high input voltage and step it down to a voltage the machine would use as its power source to run the machine, in this case, 120 vac would be stepped down to 24vac and 7vac and maybe 8vac. the AC voltages were then used to run the step down transformer on the board to provide a smaller ac voltage to be used to convert to a DC voltage to run all the digital logic. at some point the 120 vac should be used to run all the fluorescent lamps, the 7vac is used to run all the lamps (Insert coin, denom. etc.) the 24vac is for the CC-16 and powers the small transformer on the logic board. etc. looks like they moved the fuses up to the reel shelf assembly.   

as for the machine, I believe you have an "S" model machine made for use outside the USA. the original "S" machine did not use a SP chip,so NO NUDGE GAMES COULD BE USED ON THAT MACHINE,  only used one chip for the entire game. someone came up with an add on to use the SP chip and use a nudge game.

I would figure out the power input first, then figure out the output winding's and check all the voltages at that point, did this machine work according to the previous owner??  any history??  same country, same power sources??

If you could get schematics for the "S" machine, this may help you see what I was trying to layout. I'll check when I get back and see what I have.

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2018, 09:19:59 AM »
The cord on the machine is for 120 volts, this is what my house also supplies, that cord goes straight into the machine and hooks up to a very large transformer, voltage going in is 120 volts, but voltage coming out is 240 volts, this 240 voltage goes to another transformer that has different multiple voltage terminals that exit opposite side. This transformer sends different voltages to different circuits , 120 volts to the florescent lights, 8 volts to  button and indicator lamps, multiple other voltages to other components, it only sends 13 vac to coin comparitor. I did find manufacturer connector identification and terminal description for the coin comparitor CC-16E 24 vac, it clearly states the mother board provides ground to terminal 6 on this module to allow activation, I'm not just sending power and grounds at random, I was advised from another site to ground this wire just to test coin comparitor. I apologize if this was the wrong procedure but this was done before I found you guys. There is no rush on this machine just trying to stay up to date. Thanks for everyone's help.

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2018, 10:54:23 AM »
looks like the center tap on the second output transformer is not in the circuit or some thing like that?  looking at a S+ transformer output here are the connections.  this is for reference:
input to the transformer:
pin 1=110/220 common
pin 2= 110 vac winding
pin3=  220 vac winding

output from the transformer:
pin 4=12vac
pin 5= center tap for 12vac
pin 6=12vac

pin 7=common for 7 & 8 vac

pin 8= 7vac
pin 9= 8vac

check the input voltage to the tray transformer, two black wires, should have 24vac there?

on the cc16 plug,  yellow wire is labeled "lockout",  black wire is labeled  "24vac return "  violet wire is output to the optic board.  according to the schematics, it appears that 24vac hot should be on the yellow wire, when the machine is in the coin accept mode the 24vac wire (black) gets a ground from the logic board to apply power to the cc-16.

since the "S" model does not use door optics, it uses the white cherry switch as a door open and close indicator, that switch is typically a three way switch, when the door is open the switch is open, when you close the door it is closed, however with the door open you can pull the plunger out and it will now act as though the door is closed, you can then typically observe what is going on when the machine is operating.

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2018, 11:13:56 AM »
When you say tray transformer, do you mean the 5 wire one on motherboard , it has 2 black wires

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2018, 12:47:03 PM »
yes, that's the one!  should be the last two pins, pins 5 & 6 .  the other three coming out should have 16vac across the entire winding, or center tapped 8vac on each winding.

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2018, 11:01:20 AM »
Sorry for the late response but between valentines day and other stuff just got a chance to check out the voltages. So if I probe both the black wires at the on board transformer, I get 24 volts, if I probe the 2 wires next to the black ones I get approximately 16 volts if I probe them separately I get about 8 volts, on my board the last pin has been cut off, so from the black wires over I Have only 5 terminals, the 6th terminal has no wire in the connector, this board has been repaired as there is a different type of resistor replaced under the board and some type of bypass wire on the front, seems like everytime I touch the board "disconnect/reconnect" it acts differently when I turn it back on, now I have some type off diverter door behind optic sensor cycling " not the one on coin comparitor", now only have 4 volts to coin comparitor. Starting to look like loss cause. Not sure it means anything but when machine cycles up and reels spin they always stop exactly the same place.
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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2018, 01:34:08 PM »
just an opinion.....

Is there a nearby place to you that sells slot machines? Is so they would probably have a shop and maybe do repairs to this machine. That could be an option. Most any IGT S or S+ machine can be repaired with enough patience, parts and willingness to put in the effort and money. But honestly you can sometimes find a working S+ machine for sale for $200 or less, depending on location. Not trying to dissuade you, just wanting to say that not everyone wants to deal with repairing a difficult problem. For some it is real satisfaction, for others it is a frustrating process. If this were an S+ you could easily order and replace a part like the mpu board and that might fix it. And if that didn't do it you could try replacing the power supply or the motherboard. But if this is an S model the parts might be harder to obtain.

Is there a lot of rust inside the lower cabinet area that would indicate the machine was in a flood? That can really cause some flaky intermittent problems since every connector and electrical connection gets corroded. For a coastal flood where seawater is involved it gets even worse due to the saltwater.
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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2018, 06:42:39 AM »
Thanks for you advice, there is no rust any wear, as for  repair shops it's been to 3 of them, we were told its not worth repairing. Parts not easy to find i guess. Of course they could sell us another machine . Just thought i would give it a try.

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2018, 06:40:43 PM »
I've been thinking about this and it may be a moot point. I don't know how S machines work as opposed to S+ machines but in reply #27 Jim asked about the white door switch.


"Since the "S" model does not use door optics, it uses the white cherry switch as a door open and close indicator, that switch is typically a three way switch, when the door is open the switch is open, when you close the door it is closed, however with the door open you can pull the plunger out and it will now act as though the door is closed, you can then typically observe what is going on when the machine is operating."

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Now Have you tried pulling that switch out? Could we be running into a switch not working or possibly wired wrong? If the machine doesn't see the door closed, it will never work correctly. If it doesn't pull out, it may be the wrong switch. And could be wired incorrectly. Try checking the switch for continuity between posts or try jumping between the wires and see if anything works differently. Most everything is kind of right but we might be missing something easy. Just thoughts about your machine.

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2018, 06:53:52 PM »
Here is one of his earlier photos of the main door Cherry switch. Looks like the 2 wires going to it are on terminals that are not adjacent to each other. Are they connected correctly? On my machine the Cherry switch wires are connected to adjacent terminals. Someone could have been messing around with this door switch wiring.

Also, he could move the wires to the terminals on the top half of the Cherry switch, in case the terminals in the lower half are rusted/bad.
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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2018, 08:07:06 PM »
OK on the door switch, it was checked with DVOM
When closed "pushed in" and when pulled out continuity is identical when opened "door open" its the opposite, i tried all combinations  in, out , pulled out, makes no difference

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #36 on: February 20, 2018, 08:26:41 PM »
Did you try pulling the Cherry switch plunger out while the machine is powered up? When the white plunger is pulled out the Cherry switch acts the same as when the door is closed. On a working machine you can play the machine with the door open when it has a Cherry switch and no door optics if you pull the Cherry switch plunger outward.


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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2018, 06:36:47 AM »
Not sure it means anything but when machine cycles up and reels spin they always stop exactly the same place.
Thanks and please advise

When the machine boots up, the reels will return to their last stopped position. I've turned a reel with the machine off and when powered up, they go back to the original position. Have you traced the wires from the door switch back? Maybe one is broken or unplugged.

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2018, 06:48:13 AM »
Yeah , one of first things i did, even disconnected it and tried simulation by disconnecting and shorting terminals no difference . With DVOM switch test Good, like I mentioned when switch is pulled out continuity is the same as if you pushed in "door closed" while door is open continuity is different. It's either Open or closed contacts, switch  seems to work  fine

 

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