Author Topic: first Reel not spinning properly on a three reel EM (Read 26680 times)

gooch · « **Reply #20 on:** November 19, 2014, 05:29:38 PM »

Hello:

The machine originally was a three quarter.
Someone modified the machine to now accept 5 quarters, but I guess they never changed the reel glass?
I think the machine was modified by a whiz of an electrical engineer?
The top glass shows each coin deposited, up to 5, changing the payout each time it bumps per coin inserted.
I also found out tonight that the power cord has a nasty bad spot in it where it goes under the back of the machine and into the cabinet.
Question: Does the machine have to have a polarized plug, (black hot wire to which fuse?) There are four fuse holders at the back of the cabinet. The two fuse holders closest to the right have the two AC input wires. There is the ground wire to the terminal for the ground.
I will take a couple of more pictures to show the wiring job someone did?
I am amazed that with all my tinkering, it still works.

rdaniel · « **Reply #21 on:** November 19, 2014, 08:34:46 PM »

I doubt that the slot machine was orginally a three coin model. Someone probably damaged the original play 1to 5 coin reel glass and replaced it with a 1to 3 coin glass.

Modifying the internal workings would be quite a task and probably not worth the effort, if it was even possible.

Amechanic · « **Reply #22 on:** November 19, 2014, 10:00:41 PM »

Quote from: rdaniel on November 19, 2014, 08:34:46 PM

I doubt that the slot machine was orginally a three coin model. Someone probably damaged the original play 1to 5 coin reel glass and replaced it with a 1to 3 coin glass.

Ok I didn't look close enought at the reel glass to see the play 1-3 coin insert above the coin head.. The other thing that tells us the reels glass isn't correct is that the Bar/7 machines didn't offer a left to right & right to left payout option as it shows over the reels. That is a glass off a fruit machine. So best bet it is a single line 5 coin multiplier..

buybestslots · « **Reply #23 on:** November 20, 2014, 05:53:22 AM »

Quote from: rdaniel on November 19, 2014, 08:34:46 PM

I doubt that the slot machine was orginally a three coin model. Someone probably damaged the original play 1to 5 coin reel glass and replaced it with a 1to 3 coin glass.

Modifying the internal workings would be quite a task and probably not worth the effort, if it was even possible.

OldReno · « **Reply #24 on:** November 20, 2014, 08:12:26 PM »

I agree also, everything on it seems to match EXCEPT for the reel glass.
Someone broke it, and popped another one in there. It was close, but no cigar.

ramegoom · « **Reply #25 on:** November 21, 2014, 07:51:59 AM »

Check for interference from the front door. I have had a similar problem, and found one of the lamp shields was loose, slightly hitting the spinning reel, causing it to slow down and set a tilt (E series machine). Even the slightest friction from any part on the front door adjacent to the reels can do that.

OldReno · « **Reply #26 on:** November 21, 2014, 11:29:04 AM »

Good observation thanks for sharing that.
We used to be sure that our lamp shields were painted black, especially in those wide-glass machines.
People would often press hard on the glass to hold the reels. Especially the center reel, when you would get a 7 on there or mixed bar, by pressing hard on the glass you could hold that symbol for several spins, and thus increase your odds of winning.
We would look for some of the black paint rubbed off, and you could see the shiny metal underneath the paint, an indicator someone was pressing the glass.
Once in awhile someone would press too hard and break the glass, and then take a quick hike out the door.

Amechanic · « **Reply #27 on:** November 21, 2014, 12:07:32 PM »

Thanks for the history lesson. I would have never thought of trying to hold a reel by pushing on the glass.

OldReno · « **Reply #28 on:** November 21, 2014, 12:42:27 PM »

Like my first slot boss said, "There are 142 ways to cheat a Bally, and I know 156 of them."
There were rumors of some folks drilling the reel glass to insert a wire to hold the reels, but I never did see a drilled glass.
I did see plenty of drilled cases, however, mostly in the clock fan area where they would hold the fan, or near the B switches on the reel mech so that they could reset the payout counter after a large payoff, and get paid twice or even 3 or 4 times.
Every once in awhile you could hear a small palm held battery powered drill, and you know someone was up to no good.
They would drill the machine, and then leave until the next shift and then get at the machine. We always would check that area for tiny tiny drill holes, and then screw in a tapping screw on the inside to stop the wire from coming through. Also, the drillers would use a bit of keno crayon to camoflage the hole.

ramegoom · « **Reply #29 on:** November 21, 2014, 01:16:25 PM »

Wow! These things should be in another thread dedicated to these stories. I bet there's lots to hear about...

Amechanic · « **Reply #30 on:** November 21, 2014, 01:41:06 PM »

Yea that could be a very interesting thread. It seem that this bones been hijacked. I've seen some interesting shows on cheating Vegas on how the beat the early IGT Slots, but nothing in the EM Slots..

rdaniel · « **Reply #31 on:** November 21, 2014, 03:06:03 PM »

A hand held drill could drill through the metal inner casing? That would undoubtedly make some noise. Wouldn't a security person or some other casino employee notice the activity?

gooch · « **Reply #32 on:** November 22, 2014, 06:12:41 PM »

Are the stop index reels still available to purchase?

I think the left reel has tried to be fixed by what appears to be brazing on one of the cut out parts of the reel.

There are 12 symbols on the reel, 3 different bars and one 7.

If you know where I can get a replacement left reel stop index, I would appreciate it!

Amechanic · « **Reply #33 on:** November 22, 2014, 07:00:04 PM »

There should be numbers stamped on it that would be needed to get you the replacement disk.

Gary

The Fatman · « **Reply #34 on:** November 22, 2014, 07:19:36 PM »

I think that before you go into the changing of the index discs, you might want to make sure they are the issue. Pics will help us to determine that the machine has been alterd to that point. Please post the pics of the disks and the wiper boards. If the boards show signs of severe rewiring ... this could be the issue. We need to hope that any alteration is done correctly and the original wiring is intact. Check OldRenos logs on checking the wheel symbols with the index disks. These logs are like a bible to me and can give you the knowledge to fix almost any issues.

Dave F

gooch · « **Reply #35 on:** November 23, 2014, 05:08:22 PM »

Dave:

The left reel is marked ST 14 5 , it has been repaired in a couple of places and round parts filed down to be pointed.

I can't send a picture because the web site errors out.

buybestslots · « **Reply #36 on:** November 23, 2014, 05:15:20 PM »

sounds like someone added some cheats to the reel or reels

gooch · « **Reply #37 on:** November 24, 2014, 04:30:20 PM »

You stumped me on this:

"sounds like someone added some cheats to the reel or reels"?

How is this accomplished and why?

I try and learn something every day, so this is the day for it.

Kindly explain?

buybestslots · « **Reply #38 on:** November 24, 2014, 05:14:58 PM »

if they blocked any of the cuts on index wheel the reel won't stop there so it changes the odds , also will make it not spin right at times

RiseLikeRa · « **Reply #39 on:** November 24, 2014, 08:58:17 PM »

I found a cheat, known here in NY as a bug, on an 831 that I bought, fixed and sold. It was almost like 2 fender washers held together with a screw that prevented a player from getting a jackpot symbol on the last reel. I threw the bug away. I wish I would have kept it to post a picture for the group.

Ra

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