Author Topic: inputs shorted (Read 7435 times)

buybestslots · « **on:** August 23, 2014, 10:45:29 AM »

we been playing this game 5 reel cleo for past 2 day today ir came up extra coin from hopper , its coinless , then it went to inputs shorted if you go into test buttons on front panel won't do anything , I swapped both both boards on door with each other still same error, any ideas?

rickhunter · « **Reply #1 on:** August 23, 2014, 10:52:22 AM »

Could be something in your netplex chain. Systematically start removing netplex devices to see if it fixes the issue. I would start by unplugging the printer. Power on and see if the error persists, then the validator. Do you have your meters connected? if so, try using the meter disconnect trick (short the two leftmost pins on the meter connector harness. For orientation, have the wires down and the little center tab looking at you.

buybestslots · « **Reply #2 on:** August 23, 2014, 10:55:41 AM »

no printer will try meters it once showed meter disconnected

Retro tech repair · « **Reply #3 on:** August 23, 2014, 01:27:30 PM »

its not going to be a netplex problem. the hopper, coin in, and buttons are senet devices. the problem diagnosing senet problems is they auto address themselves. if one device is faulty and not detecting the next device in the chain may have the wrong address and give false errors. based on your problems i would try swaping the io board that is attached to the side of the mpu tray. it controls the hopper the arm and meters. you may also have a bad buffer chip or senet control chip on your mpu.

buybestslots · « **Reply #4 on:** August 23, 2014, 01:41:52 PM »

thanks i'll give that a try since when it start started it said hopper over pay them meters then to inputs shorted ,if I go back to the store on tue and if it works i'll know its a heat related thing since today was 1st time on for more than 5 hours and was very hot here today

Retro tech repair · « **Reply #5 on:** August 23, 2014, 01:52:21 PM »

Yes heat may be a problem too. It's strange that you are getting problems that are frome 2 different senet chains. The mpu overheating makes a little sence.

rickhunter · « **Reply #6 on:** August 23, 2014, 05:32:01 PM »

Senet, I stand corrected.

Retro tech repair · « **Reply #7 on:** August 23, 2014, 09:30:51 PM »

my intent wasn't to prove you wrong just i have done a lot of research into senet and how it works. a few of the systems in these can be confusing and kind of picky at times. i don't see why igt chose to use 2 different types of data bus i think netplex is quite a bit faster tho. in fact in playing with senet just for fun we tryed to key in 1000 credits simulating coin in. the result was quite hilarious it would put in abought 100 credits over the span of a few seconds, then because the way the addressing works it would stop for a wile as it cycles through the other devices and then add 100 more and start over.

while typing this i also thought of a possible cause to your problem if the address line for senet is down none of the devices will know when its there turn to talk and may cause strange errors like you are getting. this idea would be hard to test tho with out a logic analyzer or oscilloscope.

rickhunter · « **Reply #8 on:** August 23, 2014, 09:41:20 PM »

This is why I love this place. The last thing I want to have, is wrong information, so when somebody has the right answer, then, that's a win for me too, as I learn new stuff. Netplex and Senet has alway been something of a mystery as they are no open standards, so any information is greatly appreaciated. Believe me, I take no offense.

Retro tech repair · « **Reply #9 on:** August 23, 2014, 09:49:20 PM »

the site has a lot of smart people on it but i bet very few of us actually have training on these things. i do it because i like to know how things work and some times i make some money doing it. i have a list someware of what parts are senet and what are netplex(as far as i can tell) i should find it and post it.

foster · « **Reply #10 on:** August 23, 2014, 11:05:28 PM »

Here is a list for basic S2000

SENET:
Door I/O cards 1 or 2 cards depending on Config
All player buttons
Comparator
Coin in Optics
Coin path solenoid either to hopper or drop bucket in stand
Player Display 5-5-2 or 6-6-3 denom touch pad has its interface chips on the 6-6-3
Display on left side of reels (4 line display or 9 line display)
5 line light box
Jumper in door harness to signal mpu it is an upright.

Cabinet I/O
Hopper
Bell
Jackpot to credits reset switch (for W-2G purposes)
Physical Accounting Meters
Handle solenoid and switch
Candle
Reel Back Light Controller
Elvis jumper

Top Box
Mini Progressive display 7-segment version

NETPLEX:
Bill Acceptor
Printer(s) there is a provision for 2 but voucher/ticket printer always is printer 2
VFD
Spectrum Progressive display
Bonus device
Aux Dot Matrix Display

Retro tech repair · « **Reply #11 on:** August 24, 2014, 12:34:55 AM »

only things i see you missed foster is the controller for reel lights. the candle is controled by the Cabinet I/O card, and some people say the optics for the reels, the Cabinet I/O does have 5 unlabeled inputs that may support this but i have no proof that that's what they are.

foster · « **Reply #12 on:** August 24, 2014, 01:38:01 AM »

I was doing it from memory and forgot those two, I edited to add them, thanks

Now those 3 + 1 reel games, where the 1 reel has like various multiplier and/or haywire symbols on it, I have not figured out how it connects.

Retro tech repair · « **Reply #13 on:** August 24, 2014, 01:43:35 AM »

I have one i will look at it.

rickhunter · « **Reply #14 on:** August 24, 2014, 05:05:09 AM »

The bonus reel has a harness that connects to a senet molex on the motherboard.

Retro tech repair · « **Reply #15 on:** August 24, 2014, 06:27:04 AM »

good job rickhunter. im sure it uses a more that one system to drive it (i think the stepper is ran off one of the reel drivers just like the normal reels). but my question now is should one of us start a new topic with the info we have gathered here. just a basic how to on each system, what parts belong to which one and tips on how to diagnose problems with each. then a moderator and make it a sticky.

never mind i see a lot of it is already in troubleshooting.

buybestslots · « **Reply #16 on:** August 27, 2014, 04:18:29 PM »

went to store tonite where cleo is changed input board on outside of cpu , with one we know is good , still the same, heading back thur morning with cpu, power supply and other 2 small boards , the next 5 days we do 90% of what we do all year in store so I hope to get this running

buybestslots · « **Reply #17 on:** August 28, 2014, 01:12:55 PM »

was cpu any ideas what went bad on cpu

Retro tech repair · « **Reply #18 on:** August 28, 2014, 02:01:47 PM »

Probably the actel chip that controles the senet I think it's some kind of programable gate aray.

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