IGT S plus reels do not spin when powering up

[jay]

Stiff reels are a good sign that your slot is about ready to accept and play.
Per Marks last post lets see if there are any errors on the display and go from there.

The add on question to this is do you have a sample coin in the coin comparator.
If you don't then no coin will be accepted.


The coin comparator will be in the door labled CC-16 (quarters and smaller) or CC-33 (dollar tokens and larger).


There is a sliding portion of the CC-16 that the quarter would go behind.
Typically the sellers of machines take the sample coin out - after all its money in their pocket.

[Trisail]

So I have some questions -
Title of post is reels don't spin when powering up

1st information is that middle 8A fuse blows.

Work is done, some extra mods are removed, power cable ordered, some wires need pressed into a connector.

More work done - power cable replaced. the fuse gets hot. replaced the starter and T8 light in the front panel, but it does not turn on. ( assume fuse does not blow, I would remove the starter and lamp until you get the machine working, especially if they are not working )

Post before this work is done - "I did a test on all the cables going to the mother board. I removed the cpu before doing this. The cable that is causing the fuse to blow is the one to the right at the back of where the cpu goes."

Seems to me this is the cause of the fuse blowing? Motherboard connector J3, which feeds connector J200 to the front panel. I must then assume with this connector unplugged the machine is powered up, the reels get firm but do not spin.

With that said - I looked at the picture of the main board - can't enlarge with much clarity but I believe I am seeing some bad/heated resistors in the upper left quadrant of the picture around U13 and U14.

Can you take a picture of that quadrant and post that shows more detail?

If this shows damaged parts ( near U13 & U14) they control the serial data and clock which is needed to run the front panel, displays and the reels.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

Tony

[jvela58]

Here is a pic of the MPU.

[jvela58]

Ok here’s the latest. I replaced the battery. Put the MPU back in, started the machine. Went through the start up and gave me an error 61-1. I reset the key and the reels started up. Would not accept the coins. I turned off the machine because I smelled a burning smell. The 8A fuse was hot but did not blow. The new wire harness from the power supply to the motherboard was warm and the wiring to the bet one credit button (which I replaced- new button/switch) was warm. Any more suggestions?
Thanks!

[Stayouttadabunker]

I told you...something is burning up...pull out the MPU and smell that away from the machine.
Smell the motherboard on the floor....pinpoint where the burning coming from.
Smell the power supply box with the cover off and power off.

Sometimes you need the nose of a bloodhound...haha

[Trisail]

Thanks for pic, board looks good.

Reels spun - that's good.

Fuse and power cable warm not so good.

You said the connector on the motherboard (J3 I believe from what I good find) was causing the fuse to blow. Sounds like now the fuse gets warm, but not blowing.

The bet one credit wires get warm. That makes some sense in that the original fuse blowing problem was caused by something in the door (panel).

Looks to me you need to isolate what is causing the warm fuse problem (current problem/warm wires and fuse)

I would disconnect the bet one button wires and see if that helps reduce the warm fuse/wires. If so, see what may be wrong there. The lamps in the buttons do produce some heat but if it seems like too much - could be wrong bulb as many different wattage ratings are available. The wires should not get any warmer on that button than any other button that is lit on the machine. ( Just a note if you have installed LED's be careful as I have purchased some 12V for cars and they are not electrically the same as the ones that would go in the lamp holders, I can explain that later if needed )

If the bet one does not improve the fuse warm problem, systematically disconnect the devices connected to the front panel to see what may be causing the problem. If you have downloaded the prints/schematics, you can see which devices to disconnect. Basically the devices that would pull current are - the coin mechanism, the lamps in the buttons the speaker - in that order. Any of these disconnected the machine would still initialize and home the reels.

Once you get the warm fuse problem addressed you can setup the machine and deal with the 61-1 code. I would not worry about that at this time.

Tony

[jay]

The spinning reels after a 61-1 a good sign.
Does it show that its ready for a coin in ??
Most importantly Do you have a coin in the comparator ? - no sample coin, no credit, no play !


Below the comparitor there is a coin in optic that has a little micro button on it.
You can press that to put on a test credit or so... and then see if the game plays - Yes this is with the door open.

[jvela58]

I turned on the machine, DBV spins, reels spin, then it gave me a 3300 error. The credits, coin in, bet and one displays went random. The fuse got very hot and I could smell something in the machine. I checked the harnesses to the change, bet one and cash/credit and they all appear good, no burned or frayed wires. How would I remove the plastic panel and pc board to get better access to the buttons? I also ordered another CC-16D 100 coin comparitor. BTW I also replaced all the button switches with new ones.

[Stayouttadabunker]

let me see one of the bulbs in the button deck...I'll betcha it's the wrong ones that short everything out.

Pull out the "Bet One Credit" lamp and see if there's wires running to both sides of the wedge lamp.

If so, the lamps are the wrong kind as Trisail said.

Jay asked you if you have a coin in the coin comparitor.

If so, is it the same type of coin that you're dropping thru the slot?

[Jim]

I traced the wiring from the 8amp fuse. the fuse is actually protecting the 7vac circuit, the fuse is in line with the 7vac return. the only items that J-3 supplies with a voltage is the four button lamps and the door bezel lamps.  And it is 7vac.

your new buttons/ lamps have to be compatible with 7vac,  555 bulb, or a 6volt LED, ANYTHING  else could be drawing higher current and causing the fuse to get warm.  you have to google 555, 259 bulbs, it will give the operating current of the bulb, you might have 658 bulbs in there , used on S-2000 machines and run on 13 vdc.

I am pretty sure this is your problem. 

the two wires that should be getting warm on the power connector to the motherboard would be pin 5 solid green wire and pin 6  solid blue wire.

hope this helps

Jim

[Trisail]

Just a quick update -

I helped last night to get his machine working a bit better.

Main problem with the fuse getting hot - Max Bet switch and lamp wired wrong. Straightened that out and fuse issue is corrected.

That left the machine with what appears to be a main door optic problem, machine does not see door closed. He was able to step through the diagnostic settings and the reset key and self test buttons are working as are the displays.  Looks like the coin comparator is bad and not working, sample coin is installed, no LED.

The rest of the machine - hopper works, all switches work but the Max Bet lamp did not light, reels home and step through tests OK. Bill validator cycles, not tested for bills. Tower lamps work. He has a coin comparator ordered.

EDIT: Looks like no sound also. 

Later Tony

[jay]

Were you able to put credits on the machine using the small button on the back of the optic ?

[Trisail]

Jay,

Was pretty late last night so we didn't try the coin stuff. I pretty much just hinted to fix one thing at a time and and left it with fixing door optics to get it to see the door closed. Sent him some info on setup and such, he didn't have any slot information before just working from experience on an earlier machine that he fixed pretty easy and got it working great. This one was in rougher shape and he had done some previous work that wasn't mentioned much up front. Like all of us he's is doing his best with very little info. Hoping last night helped some on how to use the forum and ask for help with other stuff in future. Looks like we got another good member that will be adding to his collection as time progresses.

Tony

PS: Reason I talked with him last night was I thought the forum was 'wondering' a bit and just wanted to get the hot fuse thing fixed as I thought that was pretty important to concentrate on first, then move on to the regular problems that all newbies deal with. Maybe even start a new thread on each problem. I and he do appreciate all the help and input. As everyone sez 'great bunch of really helpful people here' 

[Stayouttadabunker]

For others that are maybe wondering about button deck wiring colors in an S+...>>>

Lamp ground side wires are blue and hot side wires are blue w/ various colored stripes.
Switch ground side wires are green and hot side wires are yellow w/ various colored stripes.

[Jim]

as stated many times , the LED will  not come on when the door is open!,  the only way to see that occur, drop down the belly door, undo the cc-16 bracket ,set it up outside the machine through the belly door opening, hook  it up and close the door and see if the LED will come on?
 
as for the door optic, check the cash can switch, the belly door switch or jumper, run input test 13, see if it is toggling back and forth, 0/1.  check the wiring to the optic themselves , sometimes the wire is broken and not visible.

what sp chip is he using?  if 1271, maybe its not turned on?

Q-1 may have fried due to hook up issues!

have him run the input coin optic tests to see if they are working.

Hope this helps

Jim


 

[jvela58]

Good Evening All!
First I would like to thank Trisail for helping me troubleshoot my issues with the slot machine. He was on the phone with me last night for three hours. I learned a lot.  I also want to thank all for you for your valuable help. My machine is finally working, The bill acceptor is accepting Dollars, but not the newer denominations. Thats OK. My coin comparitor does not work, I have a refurbished, tested one coming in next week. The Max Bet button lights up and there is sound. The only other thing is my lower yellow light from the candle is blinking. I'm a newbie so I might be missing something. I have crammed a lot of info the past week so I do have brain fog. I will need to buy some of the panel lights with the square back for the IGT S+ machine. Picked some up on ebay, but they were for the IGT S2000. They have a circular back and don't seem to fit. Once again Thanks!

[jay]

Congratulations. Do you have a delivery date for your next machine ?

[shortrackskater]

The only other thing is my lower yellow light from the candle is blinking.

Once you close the main door and complete a game, (using credits/money)  that light should stop blinking.

[Stayouttadabunker]

Betcha you learned a lot about your machine eh? 
Keep learning...it's kinda fun when it all sinks into your brain how these things work!