Author Topic: Bally 1088 wrong pay out (Read 6518 times)

hunter2280 · « **on:** March 24, 2016, 07:53:45 PM »

I picked up a bally #1088 dollar machine this weekend not working,would not take coins and the handle would not move.freed up the air cylinder and cleaned and lubed every thing. Then it would take coins and the handle would spin the reels. Then the next problem was no pay outs, the pay out counter was not turning. Cleaned and lubed started working but wood not reset back to zero, cleaned the two plugs on the wiring harness, now it works. Now it pays two coins for one cherry and four coins for all other wins. If i manually push the plunger on the pay out counter after the first four coins it will pay out four more coins, on a 14 coin pay it will pay 12 coins after i push the plunger twice and the winner payed light comes on. the 18 coin pay will pay 16 coins after i push the plunger three more times and the winner payed light comes on.

Jon · « **Reply #1 on:** March 24, 2016, 07:57:01 PM »

which plunger are you pushing please include a picture

hunter2280 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 24, 2016, 08:06:22 PM »

The plunger that steps the pay out counter

Jon · « **Reply #3 on:** March 24, 2016, 08:09:57 PM »

if it stops off a few coins and quilts and you hit the Step Up plunger and then hits a couple of more and quit and you hit the plunger again and steps a couple of more and it quits the payoff board is dirty or the fingers on the payout court order to take it apart clean it with some red Scotch-Brite no oil on the payoff board clean it really good the fingers and the board

hunter2280 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 24, 2016, 08:20:57 PM »

I cleaned it when i took it apart the first time.and it really wasn't dirty. I checked it with a ohm meter going from the f terminal to each of the pay terminals 2,5,10,14,18,and the 100. manually stepping one step at a time. and they all worked like they should.

hunter2280 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 24, 2016, 08:24:16 PM »

Also if i move the coin out arm on the hopper it will do the same thing it will pay out 4 more coins

Jon · « **Reply #6 on:** March 24, 2016, 08:25:09 PM »

obviously you are not new to this Hobby how about when is not paying and it should be if you reach over the top of the hopper and very carefully push the payout relay down for just a second to see if that makes it go again

hunter2280 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 24, 2016, 08:30:05 PM »

Have not tried that yet. This is my first bally. i have six IGT S+. Been doing this for less than a year

Jon · « **Reply #8 on:** March 24, 2016, 08:34:42 PM »

it's going to be pretty basic it makes contact for a minute then it quits that makes then it quits the plug on the back of the harbor the plug on the back of the real machine 1 solenoids is dirty clean everything I have total Faith you can get it running and welcome to the ballys EM Hobby

Jon · « **Reply #9 on:** March 24, 2016, 08:43:22 PM »

dang voice recognition software

hunter2280 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 24, 2016, 08:46:38 PM »

I will take a look at it again tomorrow. I cleaned all of the plugs with 400 grit sand paper.the one on the back of the hopper and the two on the reels, and all of relay contacts. maybe not good enough.

DavidLee · « **Reply #11 on:** March 25, 2016, 06:35:43 AM »

Check the Zero switch rubber stopper and the switch armature shaft. One or both could be sticking.
As described the machine has been sitting for awhile and the rubber cushion/stopper becomes very sticky just like the air cylinder rubber cup. On the zero switch armature shaft, manually work it up and down while applying new lubricant.
Not at the shop right now and can't verify the following, but if these parts are sticking the and hopper starts running It could distort the payout.
In pasts post rubber pencil erasers have been used replacing the stop/cushion. I like to use high quality rubber vacuum line. 1/4 inch thick walled tubing seem to work well. If I remember correctly, the length is 1/4 of an inch. Installed this into the 1090 a couple of years ago and seems to be holding up good.
Watch, now that I mentioned it, it probably crumbled last night.

On a side note, Jon, on your voice recognition, go in to your voice settings and under "BEERS" set it for the equal amount consumed 1,3, 6 pack whatever and see if that helps. Just kidding of course. Still have the 1090 schematic on my list for things to do. Also have some cable I want to send you, I think its 18 pairs.

Jon · « **Reply #12 on:** March 25, 2016, 06:58:36 AM »

sweet Dave I'll make those adjustments on my voice recognition I still got your 8:09 class here and I found a piece of Chrome for a 1088 for the belly go out if you want it

OldReno · « **Reply #13 on:** March 25, 2016, 12:42:15 PM »

Make sure all your payboard wiper fingers are making good solid contact. Lift them each up with a small flatblade screwdriver, and when you release them you should hear little clicks as they fall onto the board. Also, during this type of pay problem, grab the front of the carriage (the horseshoe part) and gently pull it forward toward you and see if that makes it payout. That would indicate (again) poor wiper finger contact.
And finally, make sure that when the wipers reset that they are contacting the board, sometimes if the zero stop is maladjusted they will reset back too far and lose contact with the segments.

hunter2280 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 25, 2016, 05:55:19 PM »

Ok to day when i got home at about one i took the pay out counter all apart again, made sure every thing was clean lubed and the finger were making good contact. I could not find any thing wrong.Put it back in no difference. Been messing around with it for 3 hours still no difference. I set the machine manually to the 100 jackpot and it payed the 4 coins so i turned the cam by hand and it payed out 5 or 6 coins i did this until it went past the 100 pay pad.So i pushed the plunger to reset it back to 0 and the hopper started and just kept running till i unplugged the machine. I plugged it back in put 3 coins in and and got 2 cherries out came 5 coins spun it a couple more times and got 3 bells and out came 18 coins. What i did i do not know , but it is working now. Thanks for every ones help

DavidLee · « **Reply #15 on:** March 25, 2016, 07:28:36 PM »

Glad you got your machine going although serendipity. The force of the step up cam coming back and hitting the zero switch Jared something or going over the 100 reset something in the odds unit. Lots of possibilities.
Keep us posted if it reverts back to distorted pays and you narrow down the problem. I'm sure everyone would like to know.

hunter2280 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 29, 2016, 07:30:13 PM »

Here is a update, when it started working on its own it only lasted one day and went back to the four coin payout. It took me three more hours before i finally found the problem. It was the delay relay circuit switch, the small micro switch on the back of the pay out counter it was worn where the arm pivots. Installed a new switch and has worked great .

Jon · « **Reply #17 on:** March 29, 2016, 07:35:52 PM »

sweet I've never seen that switch cause that problem but I do have 4 in my field service box

OldReno · « **Reply #18 on:** March 30, 2016, 04:41:54 PM »

That's the switch that operates the safety timer along with the delay relay. I've never seen it cause that problem. Generally if that goes south what happens is the machine will time out after just a few seconds. Its purpose is to reset the safety timer to keep it from shutting down the machine in the event of a runaway. It resets every few seconds during the payout. These are used with payouts that use the Xunits, multiplier machines. You can always work around a malfunctioning delay relay by adding more time to your safety timer. Instead of 10 seconds or so, you can adjust it out to 45 seconds or much more. It's a safety anti-runaway circuit.
Odd that that would fix your problem, but hey, if it works, that's a good thing.

OldReno · « **Reply #19 on:** March 30, 2016, 04:43:43 PM »

This is the switch that rides on the outer ring of your 100 tooth paygear, yes???

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