Can anyone identify my new machine please

[Steve Broad]

We have been building a games room in an old barn and have almost finished. I bought a 1968 Williams Lady Luck pinball and a retro style video console with over 800 games. To complete the set I have been looking for an old school one arm bandit with hold buttons. Finally found one last week at a reasonable price. Once I removed the magnets from the game coin slot and the change slots it accepted all modern UK coins. All the lights are now working and the only problem is the overpaying of both wins and change. Lots of suggestions on a fix but no luck yet, a work in progress.


However, the reason for this post is to try to find out the actual model it is. My guess is one of the 742 series but I cannot find any labels to confirm this. No ID under or near the lever on the outside and I cannot see any labels inside.


Can anyone help?

[shortrackskater]

Well that's an oddity. I've seen Bally skill stops, but never with a change machine inside.
Replies should be on the way.

 

[wolftalk]

since the payout counter board was replaced, no help there.  There should be numbers/codes stamped into the slotted metal reel index discs.  What are those?


is the payout counter mechanically or electrically stepped? 


mechanically has a linkage going up to a roller where the coin exits.  Coin lift roller = payout counter step.
electrically stepped units have the roller arm closing switches and a solenoid on the payout counter steps the wipers around. 


I don't think any 742 had hold-n-draw.  AFAIK, the 802 was the first but it was in a short cabinet.


if it's an original cabinet, could be a 903 mustang, or could just be a mashup of parts from various games.

[Steve Broad]

Thanks for the prompt response Wolftalk.


You idea that this machine may be a mashup is a possibility :-)


Reels are numbered E21, E22 and E23


Seems to be a mechanical coin counter.

[wolftalk]

can ya email the hi-res pics to slotpics@cdyn.com or stick 'em on a cloud service for download?


the E21 helped!  if I tell ya model I think it is, can I borrow the paperwork for scanning? :-) ... or I'll pay the costs to large format scan it at a blueprint/copy shop and send me the files


my guess is the reels came from a model 820 - camelot ... or maybe not.  That was probably a console/upright style game.


I have no info on the game, but there is a guy selling the paperwork on ebay.uk.  I've asked him previously if he'd sell/ship me a few games in a bulk lot and never got a reply.  If you are in the USA also, my alternative scheme is to buy the paperwork I need and have it shipped to a friend in the UK, then he will forward the stuff to me.

[Steve Broad]

can ya email the hi-res pics to slotpics@cdyn.com or stick 'em on a cloud service for download?


the E21 helped!  if I tell ya model I think it is, can I borrow the paperwork for scanning? :-) ... or I'll pay the costs to large format scan it at a blueprint/copy shop and send me the files


my guess is the reels came from a model 820 - camelot ... or maybe not.  That was probably a console/upright style game.


I have no info on the game, but there is a guy selling the paperwork on ebay.uk.  I've asked him previously if he'd sell/ship me a few games in a bulk lot and never got a reply.  If you are in the USA also, my alternative scheme is to buy the paperwork I need and have it shipped to a friend in the UK, then he will forward the stuff to me.

If I had any paperwork you would be more than welcome to copies. Unfortunately it came with nothing. The 742 manual ties in with most of the parts so that is why I assumed it was that model.


I am in the UK. How much is he charging? I could buy it and ship it over to you. Where are you in the States? My daughter is coming over to visit in December and goes back to Anaheim on the 30 December.


I have just discovered that the fluorescent tube above the reels is missing! No wonder the reels were dim :-) The parts list quotes E-412-6 of E-412-8. It is approx 9" pin end to pin end but that is all I know. Will it be 6v or 220v (over here in the UK)?

Regards
Steve

[wolftalk]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/bally-CAMELOT-slot-machine-schematics-paperwork/233509970793

it's an obscure game, and may not be relevant to what you have.  Maybe best if I buy the paperwork.  I'll email you offline about it.


your glass says "Leisure Games".  I'd guess they were a refurb place making new machines out of old bally machines.  Any later hold-n-draw bally machine should give you a rough idea on the circuitry. 


the change function looks like it just turns on the hopper and makes a payout on the upper set of wiper fingers depending on the coin deposited.

[Steve Broad]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/bally-CAMELOT-slot-machine-schematics-paperwork/233509970793

it's an obscure game, and may not be relevant to what you have.  Maybe best if I buy the paperwork.  I'll email you offline about it.


your glass says "Leisure Games".  I'd guess they were a refurb place making new machines out of old bally machines.  Any later hold-n-draw bally machine should give you a rough idea on the circuitry. 


the change function looks like it just turns on the hopper and makes a payout on the upper set of wiper fingers depending on the coin deposited.

OK, no problem.


I will look out for it.


There are a lot of machines using the same casing but I have yet to find another one with a change facility. Seems like a good idea, though :-)


There is a finger missing on the wiper mechanism, so I swapped them around so the missing finger is over an unused track. Made no difference though :-(


The manual I have covers the 742 and 820 and there is a section on "Hopper and Payout Unit Adjustment". I will follow these instructions to the letter  with fingers crossed :-)

[mark the spark]

its probably a 742 made in ireland
lots of these hold machines with changers built in the top
the yellow timer knob i am sure it is a random hold after win

[Steve Broad]

its probably a 742 made in ireland
lots of these hold machines with changers built in the top
the yellow timer knob i am sure it is a random hold after win

Thanks for this info. I have yet to find another on on the Web so I assumed that it was, as suggested by others, a mishmash. You are the second person to suggest the knob is a random hold after win controller. I will disable it and monitor the holds.


Thanks again
Steve

[Op-Bell]

I believe it is a modified 1966 Model 818 'Sir Prize". It was made for the British market and never seen in the USA. There were tens of thousands of these in Britain, one in every Courage pub. They had a time jackpot and non-random hold and draw, so when these features were outlawed they were all withdrawn and hacked into something else. Many ended up as "Gold Award", with no hopper and solenoid payout for 2 coins and an award token. Others had the change topper added (it comes off easily) and ended up in seaside arcades and traveling fairs. The yellow knob is the after-market Random Hold cam. It can be removed and normal operation restored easily enough.

As it happens I've got one myself, now modified back to being a real jackpot machine.

[Steve Broad]

I believe it is a modified 1966 Model 818 'Sir Prize". It was made for the British market and never seen in the USA. There were tens of thousands of these in Britain, one in every Courage pub. They had a time jackpot and non-random hold and draw, so when these features were outlawed they were all withdrawn and hacked into something else. Many ended up as "Gold Award", with no hopper and solenoid payout for 2 coins and an award token. Others had the change topper added (it comes off easily) and ended up in seaside arcades and traveling fairs. As it happens I've got one myself, now modified back to being a real jackpot machine.

Thanks, that certainly looks like my beastie :-) The flyer will get pride of place above the machine.


However, the change topper isn't easily removable (even if I wanted to, which I don't) as the casing is one piece. Also, the change and payout mechanism is located in this section with nowhere to easily relocate it to.

[Op-Bell]

It must have been re-cased then, because the Sir Prize was a low boy. Here is a pic of mine in its original cabinet, complete with "patent pending" hopper, Sir Prize paper labels stapled to the inside, no metal liner, and simple lift-off hinges.

[Steve Broad]

It must have been re-cased then, because the Sir Prize was a low boy. Here is a pic of mine in its original cabinet, complete with "patent pending" hopper, Sir Prize paper labels stapled to the inside, no metal liner, and simple lift-off hinges.

Our doors are pretty similar, but that is about all :-)


Is this the switch/cam you are talking about?


Regards
Steve

[shortrackskater]

I just got into reading this thread, and it seems to have halted! 

[wolftalk]

iir,  op-bell was right about the yellow knob purpose and other details.  The machine was an aftermarket mashup of parts.  Steve got the thing working using info from similar games, and I got the camelot schematic from the UK but haven't scanned and made it available yet.

[Steve Broad]

Machine is almost perfect. The only thing I have to sort out is the jackpot payout issue. I have a couple of suggestions on how to find the problem from the great guys on here but Christmas has been in the way :-)

[Steve Broad]

iir,  op-bell was right about the yellow knob purpose and other details.  The machine was an aftermarket mashup of parts.  Steve got the thing working using info from similar games, and I got the camelot schematic from the UK but haven't scanned and made it available yet.

With help from Wolftalk and others, the machine is almost there. Still have to sort out Jackpot payout which is random. Also, 2p and 4p payouts are still inconsistent. However, 10p, 15p and 25p payouts seem to work well.


Machine is usable but I would like to get the payouts correct, if at all possible on this machine.