IGT PE+ Ceronix LCD Monitor Out of Sync

[wolfman_4_ever]

I have a IGT PE+ Video Poker that I am converting to LCD. I purchased a Ceronix 15" LCD from Ceronix for the PE/PE+ machine.  Once I plug it in, I get an out of sync message.  I have a Rev A game board.  I have been working with Ceronix's on fixing the issue.  They have sent me multiple AD boards to test but still have the same issue.  I sent them my game board for them to try and get to work and they could not.  So they sent me back my original game board and suggested I ether get a newer game board or RMA the monitor. 


I went ahead and purchased a multi poker game board and it works fine with the old CRT.  The new multi poker game board is a rev D.  When I install the new Ceronix LCD I get the same issue.  and out of sync message on the monitor. 


Does anyone have any idea's on a fix?  Perhaps it's something else?  Ceronix's has been no help and wants me to RMA the LCD monitor.


Let me know.


Thanks.


Dave

[rokgpsman]

just a thought, but isn't your old crt monitor CGA style? Possibly the new LCD monitor has a higher scan frequency spec, won't go low enough to lock to the CGA video signal coming from the mpu board. just a guess,,,,

Does Ceronix sell this LCD monitor as a replacement/upgrade for the PE+ machines? If so you'd think they would have tested it with one. Did they suggest that your mpu board is an older version and not compatible with their LCD monitors? That's probably not the problem, all versions of the PE+ mpu boards would have to work with the factory original monitors so they would seemingly have the same video output signal spec.

Would one of those video converters that takes a CGA video signal and converts it to a VGA video signal help? Potential problem is that the PE+ may use negative sync pulses (can't remember) and some newer style equipment uses positive sync, unless it has jumpers to deal with both pos and neg sync. Hopefully someone familiar with this can offer better help.

[wolfman_4_ever]

The original is a CGA.  And yes, Ceronix's sells it as a direct replacement. https://www.ceronix.com/113-15-players-edge-upright.html


Ceronix's thinks the signal is too week to be picked up by their AD Board.  They said there is so many different versions of the game board that they cannot be sure if the monitor will work with all game board revisions.  I find it odd that it won't work with a newer multi poker rev d game board that I purchased just to see if it would fix this problem.  Like I said, they sent me different AD boards to try and I also sent them my original poker game board without any luck.  Hoping someone has an idea.  I can RMA the monitor and get my money back but am hoping for a fix. 


Ceronix's suggested I reach out to the community to see if someone else had the issue and had a fix.


Dave

[rokgpsman]

I agree, it is odd it won't work with either mpu board you have. I wonder how many people have ordered that monitor from them and had the same problem. This A/D board they sent you, is that something that connects between the mpu board video output and the LCD monitor video input? Like an adapter board maybe, that they sell with the LCD monitor so it will hopefully work with the PE+?

Can you post a photo of the A/D board?

[Amechanic]

I’m wondering if Ceronix has their machines confused. Don’t the early GK video pokers run a 15” CRT but they run the 3802 MPU Board. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a PE+ with an LCD other then the one that was installed by a member here a few years back. That involved a lot of work with a video converter and other wiring to make it work.
Is your CRT bad or going bad? I know where you could pickup a good used replacement if interested.

[Tilt]

Maybe the monitor is bad?  I upgraded my PEII+ to a LCD a couple of years ago.  I purchased it from Suzo Happ, their P/N is 49-11176-00, but it says the Mfg P/N is CPA3003.  I couldn't find that part number on the monitor anywhere, but I took a picture of the tag on the back.  It works great and I didn't have to do anything special after installed it.  Just some fine tuning on the screen position adjustments.

[Tilt]

More pics..

[Amechanic]

Thanks Tilt    Maybe if he forwards this Ceronix picture off yours to Ceronix them self, then they can figure out the problem??

[wolfman_4_ever]

I agree, it is odd it won't work with either mpu board you have. I wonder how many people have ordered that monitor from them and had the same problem. This A/D board they sent you, is that something that connects between the mpu board video output and the LCD monitor video input? Like an adapter board maybe, that they sell with the LCD monitor so it will hopefully work with the PE+?

Can you post a photo of the A/D board?

Yes, The AD Board connects between the mpu board video output/gameboard video output and lcd monitor.  It is attached to the rear of the monitor.  Here is a pic

[wolfman_4_ever]

I’m wondering if Ceronix has their machines confused. Don’t the early GK video pokers run a 15” CRT but they run the 3802 MPU Board. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a PE+ with an LCD other then the one that was installed by a member here a few years back. That involved a lot of work with a video converter and other wiring to make it work.
Is your CRT bad or going bad? I know where you could pickup a good used replacement if interested.

No, my CRT is not going bad.  I just wanted to upgrade it to an LCD for power savings.  As stated, I am running a newer mutigame mpu board with the same out of sync issue.(unless the 3802 mpu is something different).

[wolfman_4_ever]

Maybe the monitor is bad?  I upgraded my PEII+ to a LCD a couple of years ago.  I purchased it from Suzo Happ, their P/N is 49-11176-00, but it says the Mfg P/N is CPA3003.  I couldn't find that part number on the monitor anywhere, but I took a picture of the tag on the back.  It works great and I didn't have to do anything special after installed it.  Just some fine tuning on the screen position adjustments.

I sent them my original draw poker mpu board and they had the same issue with out of sync.  This is why I purchase a new multigame board because they recommended a newer mpu/gameboard.  My new gameboard looks just like yours.


Yes, I have the CPA3003 as well.  On your monitor, the SN# starts with 3003 designating a cpa3003.

[wolfman_4_ever]

More pics..

My game board looks the same as you can see by my pics in the first post above.  If you look at the sticker on the board the numbers are the same except the last 4 numbers and 3 letters.  The same is 75703404 Rev D but mine then says 4293 PCA and yours says  04940 GTC  Thoughts?

I am attaching a pic of our mpu/gameboards side by side, mine on the left and yours on the right, as well as my sticker on my ceronix monitor

[Tilt]

That's really odd.  Mine was literally plug and play. 

Can you access the onscreen menus on the LCD?  The only one I saw that may matter is setting that says H/V Sync Switch.  Mine shows ON Active.

I'm just speculating here, but I think those numbers after the Part/Rev number are a date code.  4293 being the 42nd week of 1993.  0494 being the 4th week of 1994, which is close to the rest of the dates I see on other tags in the machine.  The three digits may be the initials of the the individual who assembled/inspected the machine.  Best guess I have. 
 

[Amechanic]

That is an idea that in the menu option there may be a setting for the video output. I did have to do something similar to my GK when I installed it.

[wolfman_4_ever]

I GOT IT TO WORK!!


It was dip switch 1 on the game board.  Going through the menu's on the gameboard (white switch) I noticed it said dip switch 1 was set to 1 (or on) meaning 50Hz.  The rest of the dip switches are not used.  I set it to 0 (or off) for 60Hz and the LCD fired right up!


Thanks for everyone's help!


Dave

[rokgpsman]

Good job! I guess that 50Hz setting didn't affect the old crt monitor. You may want to pass the "fix" info to the Ceronix techs so they can help anyone else with the same problem that buys their LCD upgrade screen for the PE+.

[Tilt]

WOW!  Glad you got it working!  I didn't even think about that since it worked with the CRT installed.  I'm surprised Ceronix techs didn't know that either.  Like rokgpsman said you may want to contact them and let them know. 

Enjoy your new LCD!

[wolfman_4_ever]

Yup, already emailed Ceronix the info.


I have been trying to get this monitor working for a month and a half.  Glad it's working now.


Thanks again.


Dave

[Tilt]

I'm a little surprised their monitor doesn't work both 50/60Hz.  It would be disappointing for someone in Europe to buy one and find that out the hard way.

It's also seems odd that you had two MPU board set up for 50Hz, or did you change the second board switch settings to match the first?  I'm sure the Rev A board you have will work with it now too, and it's always good to have spare parts.

Just for the heck of it I turned switch #1 on my MPU board to the ON position (50Hz) and got the same message you've seen for too long.  A white background with a box that says "Out of Range" then disappears after a few seconds leaving you with a total white screen.

Thanks for posting the resolution to your problem, I'm sure it may help save another PEII owner some grief down the line.

BTW, on my MPU all the the dipswitches are in the OFF position.

[Amechanic]

Hey that’s great news    Just goes to show that even the experts don’t know what’s wrong. That’s why here at NLG we tend to bounce things off each other. More times then not we get the job done. Don’t be a stranger, come back by a have a beer   

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