What should I offer for this machine?

[gameking6]

I have a chance to pick up a Double Diamond machine it has an issue with coins getting stuck. Other than that it is pretty clean. What do you guys think its worth? While I'm at it what should I look for to possibly correct the coin issue? Thanks guys.

[banyans]

Looks like a S+ machine. Nice!! Im not an expert but $300 - $350 sounds about right.

[Stayouttadabunker]

Just because it has a Double Diamond Deluxe glass kit.....add $200 to whatever YOU think it's worth.

[gameking6]

Just because it has a Double Diamond Deluxe glass kit.....add $200 to whatever YOU think it's worth.

Thanks for the info so if I get a good enough deal worst case I could recoup some off the parts. I dont know anything about S+ machines (in fact intil banyans told me it was an S+ I didn't know what it was) I have a GameKing. What are some of the things I should look for when I go check it out. Also is it hard to add a printer (and TITO) to it? Thank you so much for your help.


If someone wants to move this to the S+ topics that would be great.

[banyans]

I dont think you can add the printer (tito) to the S+, maybe only stayoutdabunker could do it if possible. Get a new power supply cable from Ken on here if you buy the machine. As Ken has said, if you dont need one now you will sooner or later. Cheap and improved cable he sells.


I like the S+ because a lot of things can be fixed by replacing components and because of the vast amount of information on this site. Anything broken on an S+ machine has already been covered here, just gotta decipher and do alot of reading.


My 2 cents,
Philip

[nglayton]

I wouldn't say any more than $400-$500.
For reference, A few months back I bought a triple diamond (s2000) for $500.  Completely working no issues. (no tito, no coin handling)

[gameking6]

Thanks again for the info, please keep it coming. Since you can't add printer/TITO I assume you just do hand payout over a certain amount? If so what is that amount?
What would this cabinet be called?
What Keychip will I need for this machine and is there anything else I should pick up besides a spare power cord?

[banyans]

Pretty sure the hand payout is set using the menu/self test modes. Not positive though cause there is also a DIP switch on the main board that does something to the hopper amount. Once you get it, post more pics here, these guys will know exactly what needs to be done. (They have helped me a ton already)


I think the cabinet is just called a S+ upright round top?


You may want to get a SET chip for the BV and a set of door optics. The optics and the power supply cable seem to be 60% of all the issues I have read about here.


Im the the new guy here, but these guys here can and will help you figure out any issue you have with the machine, whether information, advice or parts.


The coin jam issue that you originally stated is also probably an easy fix, lots of reading about the coin mechanism. Just got to post a pic of what you have and the exact issue.

[Tilt]

S+ machines are like the energizer bunny...they just keep going and going.  Get a new power supply harness from Ken, change the MPU battery and enjoy it for 10 years or so.

[shortrackskater]

Are you getting the stand and chair with it? 

[jay]

There are two chips that control the S+


These are the Game Chip and the Reel Chip.
The Reel Chip is pretty much the theme like Double Diamond, Black Cherry, etc.
The Game Chip needs to be the right "Type" for the theme and is basically the operating system and governs the settings.
Typically there could be 5, 6 or even 15 different chips that could potentially work with the reel chip.


So to answer your question regarding max payout and hand pay - it depends on the Game Chip.
On the older game chips the settings were controlled by dip switch settings on the MPU board - generally there is a sticker on the board tray that explains the settings. 200, 300, 400 and software.
If you choose software then the limit is set by the chip. The later game chips ignored the dip switch settings all together.
In the older chips the dip switches also determines the reel sound and reel speed.


In the newer chips there are a number of settings. Wins go to Credits or Wins go to Tray, Max Hopper Pay settable from 1 to 9999, Max Credits, Bills to Coin, etc.
In some of the chips between the older and newer there were no separate credit settings.


Now you might ask Why would someone want to use an older chip
The 731 chip is an older series of the very common 1271 - The 731 had a choice of 7 songs as win music "Were in the money...." etc that were later abandoned to make way for more accounting.
Another older chip that is occasionally used is one that supports Montana Credits.  Normally if you have a 2 coin game - you put in 2 coins and then your options are to play or cash out. The third coin goes straight to the coin tray. With Montana credits as you drop in more coins they go to the credit - so feel free to load up 500 coins if your pockets are deep ..... 


With regards to Printers and TITO. If you red the S+ electronics manual close enough there is support for a printer vs a hopper, but I have never found evidence that an IGT S+ printer existed, nor the mods necessary for the Belly to support such a beast. Secondly the S+ didn't support SAS communication, which would be necessary for it to talk back to a central computer, validate the ticket, and apply credits.


To this extent the notion of going cashless on a S+ is usually through a hack, such as attaching a slotted cardboard or plastic wheel to the inside of the hopper. As the hopper spins the fins or slots of the attached wheel pass by the coin optics and the S+ thinks its ejecting a coin. The coin head is then replaced with a plate, and the only way to add credits is through a bill. Several people would leave the machine setup to look like quarters but set the bill validator to 1c so you get 100 credits for a dollar bill. Other people simply remove the wire on the Cash/Credit button and set a relatively low hand pay amount, when you clear the hand pay you have 0 credits on the machine.


In Mexico City the casinos are cashless - you go to the back of the building and trade your $$ for chips or tickets. You enter a bullet proof man trap where one door opens, you step in, the door closes behind you and the next door opens and they deal with you from yet another sealed cage. Everything has tinted glass so no one knows your business. Walk in with your friend and the overhead voice asks that one of you step out, if you have a jacket on they ask you to take it off, and turn around.


- I believe I saw a S+ that had been outfitted as a TITO machine but the bill validator was plated over and the ticket in/out was in the player tracking plate so it was completely separate from the native workings of the machine.

[gameking6]

Jay thank you for the information. It amazes me how people "make it work". The more I learn about these machines the more I want to know.
Shortrackskater, Yes I will be getting the base and chair as well.
I'm going to go look at the machine today. It seems like a no brainer if the price is right. I'll get back to you all with what I find out.

Thank you again guys.

[gameking6]

I picked up the machine for $300 including the chair and stand😀
I want to thank everyone for their help and I'm starting a new post on the S+ board (now that I know that's where it belongs) with the issues its having. Please check out that post so I can get it going.
It will be in the S+ board titled : New Double Diamond machine issues.
Thanks again.

Since it's been addressed here. Is this the power supply cable that was mentioned?



And finally where is the small manual credit button?

[Paul]

  on your new to you purchase and
welcome the the bottomless pit of slot ownership!
Now make sure you have plenty of free space in your
home as you will fill every nook and cranny with machines and spare parts.

And by the way Great Deal on your machine ,chair and stand, you knocked it out of the park on that one!



 

[Paul]

I picked up the machine for $300 including the chair and stand😀
I want to thank everyone for their help and I'm starting a new post on the S+ board (now that I know that's where it belongs) with the issues its having. Please check out that post so I can get it going.
It will be in the S+ board titled : New Double Diamond machine issues.
Thanks again.

Since it's been addressed here. Is this the power supply cable that was mentioned?




And finally where is the small manual credit button?

Yes that's the power supply cable that you was told about and the button is below or on the back of the power switch.

[gameking6]

I saw the button under the power switch which I assumed was a reset button. The button I was talking about is the one that is supposed to be on the coin comparator that adds credits to test while the door is open. Or are you saying the button by the switch is that button?

[Paul]

OK sorry wrong button, the button your looking for is on the coin optics below the coin compariter.

[gameking6]

I don't see it on the picture of my coin comparater, am I missing something?

[Trisail]

I responded in the other post for help with the machine

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=32689.msg173566#msg173566

Tony

[RobinAK]

on your new to you purchase and
welcome the the bottomless pit of slot ownership!
Now make sure you have plenty of free space in your
home as you will fill every nook and cranny with machines and spare parts.

And by the way Great Deal on your machine ,chair and stand, you knocked it out of the park on that one!



 

LOL So true! Started the past fall with my 1st machine. Well I got 28 now