Bally 6000 prints tickets but WBA BV won't accept them back

[Badbaud]

What specific settings am I missing to get the 6000 to receive the tickets it printed and re-apply the credits on the ticket back into the machine?
The bill validator takes the ticket part way in and spits it back out.

[Nurbo]

Hello,


I guess you need a TITO.

Is there one on your machine?

[Badbaud]

It has TO because it prints the tickets correctly, wouldn't TI be part of that package.
I'm not near the machine, customer is in another state.

[ANIslots]

It has TO because it prints the tickets correctly, wouldn't TI be part of that package.
I'm not near the machine, customer is in another state.

not necessarily, i gaming machine can be set to standard validation (machine creates a validation number) to print tickets, but those tickets cannot be read anywhere


the TITO DEVICE so popular on the site known as Bettor Tito, uses the system validation method, where the validation number is created by the tito device and then printed on the ticket
those tickets can be read back in only by another tito device


the third option is secure enhanced validation, where the machine creates the number sends it to a server where its recorded for validation those tickets can only be read on the server that it was created on,

[Badbaud]

So there is no way, on a S6000, for the ticket printed to be accepted back into the S6000?
Why would a casino allow S6000 tickets to be printed out of a machine on the floor if they were useless or only redeemed at the cashier cage?
I would think some 11d setting would make the ticket valid and acceptable in other machines.

[hemiroid]

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[ANIslots]

So there is no way, on a S6000, for the ticket printed to be accepted back into the S6000?
Why would a casino allow S6000 tickets to be printed out of a machine on the floor if they were useless or only redeemed at the cashier cage?
I would think some 11d setting would make the ticket valid and acceptable in other machines.

Standard validation provides for a gaming machine generated eight-digit (4 BCD) validation number. An
example standard validation number algorithm is described in Section 15.14. Standard validation lacks
sufficient security to allow automatic redemption of a cashout ticket at a gaming machine. To address the
security and accountability requirements of modern Ticket in/Ticket Out systems, secure enhanced validation
and system validation methods have been defin ed. Secure enhanced validation places many of the security
requirements on the gaming machine to allow more autonomous operation and support of handpay validation,
whereas system validation places most of the responsibility for security 0111 the host. Because they share 111a111y
polls and processes, secure enhanced validation and system validation are referred to collecti vely as enhanced
validation.

[jay]

TITO is ticket in / ticket out.

Casinos replaced coin handling with TITO, much faster to take in bills and tickets and not have to empty hoppers, refill hoppers after a big payout etc.
With coin/currency etc any win over $1199 requires the casino to generate a W2G (tax receipt) and as such the machine goes into hand pay - (when in a US jurisdiction not so in Canada, Asia or the Caribbean).
In 1970's $1200 was a lot of money. Not so much anymore. With TITO they can keep the money "in-play" and only generate a W2G (tax receipt) when the player goes to cash out.

US currency has at least 7 security features and the newer'/higher denominations have magnetic strips.
Much like currency higher denomination chips have embedded security features - Ie specific weights, colors, and colors / spots, that can only be seen under black lights, Ultraviolet lights, and even embedded RFID chips.

A TITO ticket basically has a barcode that is casino specific (much like a table chip) and is part of the casino float.
A float is the money-in-play (funny money) chips, tokens, vouchers, chits, etc.

Other than having lots of numbers - a bar code is not secure and could easily be duplicated.

The "in" part of the TITO is designed to go into any of the casino slots. This makes it easy for a player to move from one slot to another and helps the casino keep more of the player money.
TITO was never about the security of the money.... 10 rolls of quarters is quite heavy.... a lot of work to steal (or even conceal) $100.  ITs all about reducing the labor related to coin handling, speeding up the insertion of money and keeping the money in play. Take a penny slot for instance. People who would never play a 3 coin $1 slot.... will now easily slide in a $20, and play 10coins per line on 50 lines ($5.00 a pull). Can you imagine slipping in that many penny's into a slot ??

From a security perspective - IF "any" slot on the property can take any of the Casino specific tickets what would stop someone from running a ticket (with a bar code on it) through a photocopier 10 times (100 times etc) and playing the same ticket anywhere in the casino as many times as you want. If the ticket was specific to the one machine - it defeats TITO being a convenient way to "float" money around the casino. You will also notice that the ticket is thermal - which means the casino doesn't have to replace printer ribbons etc. Just keep a big roll of paper. This also helps them age out a ticket 10, 15, 30 days .... and perhaps the paper goes black or blank. Anything to keep your money.

So to maintain security what happens is that the TICKET IN - sends the info back to a central casino computer, that validates that the ticket is valid (has not been used before) - and authorizes credits on the machine, or in the case of a automated teller - cash out, or at the casino cage ...... all the while remembering how much of that $1199 is your original bet and how much is a "win" for taxation purposes. Once validated it is then taken out of the system so it can't be used again.

SO.... Fast forward to this post...... Not many home slot owners would have the central computer system. ( a. Not many of these in the wild, if any  b. especially if they have one machine seems like a bit of expense to have a computer).
Hopefully what you have read thus far this explains why your slot can't take the ticket back in and put credits back on the machine as a standalone device.

One of our members, in conjunction with Bettor Slots (one of our sponsoring vendors) created the Bettor TITO board which will read a bar code and put credits on your machine (or machines). You will never see a Bettor TITO board in an actual casino because it is a hack but for a home slot owner it is a godsend. 

The other system you might have in your slot is a play tracking system - the one where you can insert your players card and get points. These also use a central computer - I have an inkling that someone will be offering up something like this in a home version soon as well. If you search the site - there are people who have hacked the Bally Master Com payer system so the little LED ticker tape can say things like "Welcome to Jays Irish Pub and Casino" rather than displaying the stock message "Please insert your players card".

Hope this clarifies what people have been asking you about a "Tito board".

[jay]

Regarding the insecurity of bar codes.....

One common scam related to gift cards is that the thief goes to the store (Walmart, Target, or any place that sells gift cards enmass). They pretend to browse all the while taking cell phone pictures of the bar code on the back of the gift card and put it back on the rack. The gift card has no value on it until it goes through the cashier-register and is activated. Next the picture taker simply waits a month until the card is sold and activated via a legitimate transaction, then they print out the bar code and put it on the back of any generic (unbranded) card and attempt to buy something. If the "actual" gift card has any value on it. The thief gets away with the purchase. Usually they return the item at a different store and receive cash.

To help combat this - some of the newer gift cards are coming in tamper evident packaging (pull tabs over the bar code) so they cashier has to pull a open up the card to expose the bar code for activation. Again fast forwarding the thief is busy using his exacto knife opening up all the back of the packages - carefully removing the pull tab as the only person they are trying to fool is that bored minimum wage retail worker who is not paying attention to an exposed bar code or not.

White it is theoretically possible that someone could figure out the bar code system the casino uses to generate the ticket and create the next sequence number it likely won't happen as the bar code generated by the machine is casino specific and in addition to being a unique sequence number it has the value of the ticket hashed into the number making it unique. However as it can be used in any of the casino machines - it still needs a validation step.

One of the Vegas scams related to TITO - that I have read about is that someone will cruise the casino floor looking for "talent" and then exchange a winning ticket from the neighboring casino for "services". The scam here is that the ticket was printed at home and is worthless, its not in the current casino so its inconvenient to cash at the moment. I am thinking that you would want to be checking out shortly after otherwise you will likely soon get a knock on your door from a less than happy "services manager" looking for payment in full....in addition to any perceived "collection fees" and perhaps a beating just for good measure.

[ANIslots]

more on standard validation
  uses an algorithim that combines the amount of the ticket with the time the ticket was printed, to create a validation number, when using sas that validation number is also sent to a server so at a cashier the ticket could be scanned, and verified, that the amount is correct
 or in the case of a validation system failure a cashier could type in the amount of ticket and the time printed on the ticket to create a validation number, then scan the ticket to see if there is a match
again this was never good for automatic validation ir ticket in, and as jay pointed out if you know the algorithm and had the proper paper you could print you own ticket and atempt to cash it in at the cashier
here is the algorithm for reference



Method for validation number calculation:
Credit amount of cashout ticket- 3 bytes BCD (byte 0 is LSB, byte 2 is MSB)
Time of cashout ticket - 3 bytes BCD (byte 0 is seconds, byte 1 is minutes, byte 2 is hours)


     Credit0   Credit1 Credit2
     Seconds Minutes Hours


BCD Addition with carry
     Result0 Result1 Result2 Result3


Copy LSB of result to the 4th [size=78%]byte of the result[/size]
     Result0 Result1 Result2 Result0


Treat 4 byte result as a base 16 number and convert to BCD
     (Result0 Result1 Result2 Result0 ) 16 -> (  ) 10



Example: 801250 credits at 23:15:52
     LSB                     MSB
     50 12 80
  + 52 15 23 BCD              add w/carry
      02 28 03             01    Result
      02 28 03 02                Copy LSB to MSB
     convert (02032802)16 -> 33761282
Print validation number on ticket -- 33761282

not sure if that can be reversed or not, and as they say it was not secure, establishments with thousands of slots could although rare end up with duplicate numbers

system validation and secure enhanced validation do Not use the ticket value in creating a validation number

[Badbaud]

Excellent responses, thank you.