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Author Topic: IGT Double diamond S Plus, RESTORATION  (Read 21789 times)

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Re: IGT Double diamond S Plus, RESTORATION
« Reply #260 on: June 10, 2024, 05:08:00 PM »
Hmm...are you reading from a manual for the older S+ cabinets or the newer cabinets with the larger deck buttons and hole in the door for bill acceptors? The newer S+'s had a belly door switch wire ( I don't know what color it was)...the older ones didn't have it as there wasn't a belly glass door. update...I just checked a machine...that one's green.
I'm looking at the older cabinets with the small deck buttons that don't have the drop door for the belly glass.

I'll go look at another machine....this particular cabinet is one that has the bill acceptor thru the reel glass on the right.

oh...on that Molex connector I've circled in green (The 12-pin Molex that has only 10 holes being used.), are there any other brown wires?

Also, the round female pin at the end of this "brown/white" wire is supposed to be inside a Molex housing.
I've seen that round female pin also on the older buttons switches as a ground....but the wires were green.

Another thing....there are some brown wires on the reel harnesses too.
I just looked at a bunch of S+ hoppers.
The color of the grounding wire on the hopper bowls is deceiving.
Sometimes they appear brown in bad lighting...but as you follow it back to the hopper SSR connector...you can see that it's actually orange w/white stripe...lol
What I think happened is that possibly the belly glass fluorescent light faded the hopper ground wire from orange to brown.
It's somewhat shaded from the fluorescent light under the hopper bowl, and you can see that it's more orange.


HOLY S*IT!

Now you know what I am up against, I have one of the older IGT slot machines and I am trying read the wiring or parts and sometimes it's just not correct! I understand that several IGT S+ had some upgrades, but this is insane. I print off everything that others write about this project, it helps me reference the issues.
I just wish they had a service manual for this specific slot machine 1991 S+.

Also, the more difficult the project is, the more I am enjoying it. Pulling the pigs tail.  :rotfl: :rotfl:
IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
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Re: IGT Double diamond S Plus, RESTORATION
« Reply #261 on: June 13, 2024, 11:15:52 AM »
After a long, long, battle with the handle issue I finally figured out that the Cherry snap switch is defective from age, outside it looks normal. I put the meter on it and its acting abbie-normal. Ordered one up.
IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
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Re: IGT Double diamond S Plus, RESTORATION
« Reply #262 on: June 13, 2024, 11:24:21 AM »
On with the show.....

After replacing the 3 reel resistors on the MPU, checking out the reels, everything has tested correctly.
I am still getting random error codes 41, 42, 43.  :banghead:

IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: IGT Double diamond S Plus, RESTORATION
« Reply #263 on: June 13, 2024, 04:59:58 PM »
Interesting pic - normally there are 5 resistors.
The two that are missing are not needed but all of them appear to have been re-soldered at some point.

Let us know how you make out on your 41,42,43 errors after changing them.

I am still having issues! What's next.
IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
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Re: IGT Double diamond S Plus, RESTORATION
« Reply #264 on: June 14, 2024, 06:12:55 AM »
I'd replace that MPU board...saves a lot of headaches so you don't have to make 200+ posts and 6 months to get a machine running.  :Tongue_Out:
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Re: IGT Double diamond S Plus, RESTORATION
« Reply #265 on: June 14, 2024, 07:20:39 AM »
I'd replace that MPU board...saves a lot of headaches so you don't have to make 200+ posts and 6 months to get a machine running.  :Tongue_Out:

Well...........

The IGT restoration is a cumulation of work with an end result of it running.

I have restored six slot machines, 4 EM, 2 fully electronic and documented all of the repairs. I built two EM hoppers, and if it wasn't for the forum members they would probably not be working at all, I had no idea how to build EM hoppers. Were not talking about spraying lube into a slot machine, we're talking about removing every screw and restoring a slot machine all the way back to when it left the factory down to the factory hopper hood for all of them, with all 3 meters, replacing cut wires with exact replacements. Sourcing parts from all over the internet.

 I really didn't need to put it on the forum, it takes a lot of work posting progress, solutions, problems. My goal is not self serving gratification, drawing attention, it's helping others working on slot machines. I am trying to document issues with a solution.

I have a lot of forum members here that are excellent instructors who actually give in-depth information that I print, cataloging, on each of my slot machines. Each slot machine has books, notes, helpful information from different sources. I have a EM 1114 that was a car wreck, I totally restored everything, bring it back from a piece of junk to a nice EM slot machine complete with everything.

I don't think this is a waste of time, I think it's giving back to others who helped me accomplish my restoration. If you like, I could forgo with the posts and keep it to myself in the future since you are a monitor, you could just lock this thread.

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IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: IGT Double diamond S Plus, RESTORATION
« Reply #266 on: June 14, 2024, 07:46:36 AM »
I don’t think anyone here is suggesting you don’t post. What we hate the most is when some entitled p*ick pops on demanding support and when they don’t get instant gratification never post back or worse the fix probably worked and they don’t let anyone know. I think most of us here are just feeling a bit guilty that it has been 6months and we don’t have you up and working.
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Re: IGT Double diamond S Plus, RESTORATION
« Reply #267 on: June 14, 2024, 07:48:28 AM »
I would send the MPU, without the heavy panel tray, to member Lookes.
See if he can repair it?

David, you misunderstood me... I meant 300+ Replies and a year....haha  :rotfl:
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Re: IGT Double diamond S Plus, RESTORATION
« Reply #268 on: June 14, 2024, 03:33:45 PM »
I don’t think anyone here is suggesting you don’t post. What we hate the most is when some entitled p*ick pops on demanding support and when they don’t get instant gratification never post back or worse the fix probably worked and they don’t let anyone know. I think most of us here are just feeling a bit guilty that it has been 6months and we don’t have you up and working.


It's NOT how fast you get a slot machine running. it's how you restore a slot machine, it may take 6 months, or 12 months to produce a quality slot machine.

 I may sit for hours working on a slot machine issue, and finally resolve it.
IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: IGT Double diamond S Plus, RESTORATION
« Reply #269 on: June 14, 2024, 03:35:12 PM »
I would send the MPU, without the heavy panel tray, to member Lookes.
See if he can repair it?

David, you misunderstood me... I meant 300+ Replies and a year....haha  :rotfl:

I am just trying to help others, by detailing my progress.
IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: IGT Double diamond S Plus, RESTORATION
« Reply #270 on: June 14, 2024, 03:36:28 PM »
I figured out where a loose wire 39-22 goes to.  :CoolChicken:

IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: IGT Double diamond S Plus, RESTORATION
« Reply #271 on: June 16, 2024, 10:24:06 AM »
I have been busy planning my next move. I enjoy a good head banger.  :banghead:

IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: IGT Double diamond S Plus, RESTORATION
« Reply #272 on: June 16, 2024, 10:59:44 PM »
I have a new S+ IGT MPU 16MHZ being sent to me.
I need to make sure that the SS4255 reel prom, will match the SP1272 game prom. 

Also, the clear chip that I have, will it work with the new 16MHZ
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IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: IGT Double diamond S Plus, RESTORATION
« Reply #273 on: June 17, 2024, 08:29:09 AM »
Your nudge up or down reel chip is a Type 1 game.

If you look at this sheet I linked  to below, you can see that the SP1272 is made for a 16Mhz MPU and is good for a Type 1 SS reel chip...>>>

https://www.newlifegames.net/spset/gametypes.htm


Just for kicks, look at the SP chip above it, SP1271....same stuff but made for a regular 10MHz board.

I need to show you other SP Game Types sheet...>>>

https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=303.0

Why would you think a Clear chip wouldn't wipe out everything on a 16Mhz MPU?
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Re: IGT Double diamond S Plus, RESTORATION
« Reply #274 on: June 17, 2024, 12:06:52 PM »
Your nudge up or down reel chip is a Type 1 game.

If you look at this sheet I linked  to below, you can see that the SP1272 is made for a 16Mhz MPU and is good for a Type 1 SS reel chip...>>>

https://www.newlifegames.net/spset/gametypes.htm


Just for kicks, look at the SP chip above it, SP1271....same stuff but made for a regular 10MHz board.

I need to show you other SP Game Types sheet...>>>

https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=303.0

Why would you think a Clear chip wouldn't wipe out everything on a 16Mhz MPU?

As I said before, I am a novice, I don't know if the clear chip is the same for the 10MHZ as for the 16MHZ, since it had to be changed to a SP 1272. I get lost just looking at the MPU schematics.  :rotfl:

I just enjoy reading about these slot machines, Bally, IGT, it's awesome tutorials.  :cool_thumb_up:

SP1271 Type 0,1,4,5,19 10MHz, ID023, SET088/89/90/91/101/102/116/121 $0.01/0.05, 9 Paylines - SAS EFT - does NOT support SAS Bonusing
SP1272 Type 0,1,4,5 16MHz (originally listed as 10MHz -- it's 16 MHz per the PSR and Rick Hunter), ID023, SET088/90/91/101/102/121, $0.01/0.05, SAS Bonusing and EFT

BTW:
 Inquiring minds would like to know.   :rotfl:
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IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: IGT Double diamond S Plus, RESTORATION
« Reply #275 on: June 19, 2024, 12:57:49 PM »
I have a new S+ IGT MPU 16MHZ being sent to me.
I need to make sure that the SS4255 reel prom, will match the SP1172 game prom. 

Did you mean to say SP1172 here? That's not going to work for your game.
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Re: IGT Double diamond S Plus, RESTORATION
« Reply #276 on: June 19, 2024, 01:16:24 PM »
1271 for 10mhz, 1272 for 16mhz.
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Re: IGT Double diamond S Plus, RESTORATION
« Reply #277 on: June 19, 2024, 02:39:26 PM »
I have a new S+ IGT MPU 16MHZ being sent to me.
I need to make sure that the SS4255 reel prom, will match the SP1172 game prom. 

Did you mean to say SP1172 here? That's not going to work for your game.

Confusion clarification, my mistake.

 :burningresistor: :burningresistor: :burningresistor: The 10MHZ is DOA. 

I purchased a brand new 16MHZ and the old SP chip was not going to work, I purchased a SP1272 from Alan at K-LAR.  :yes:

 
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Re: IGT Double diamond S Plus, RESTORATION
« Reply #278 on: June 19, 2024, 07:57:56 PM »
I had this 16MPU supposedly delivered to my address today. However due to the unfortunate circumstances, it will be delivered tomorrow.  :banghead:  :banghead:

Sometimes I do get a bit anxious about my projects.
IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
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Re: IGT Double diamond S Plus, RESTORATION
« Reply #279 on: June 20, 2024, 02:21:30 PM »
It's On to another adventure with the MPU.
IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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