first timer IGT splus do I need a clear chip ?

[Shaggy]

You can look through the camera and see a beam, it's too fast for human's eyes. The emitter will show up on a phone camera.

Although I tried it and I can't see anything.

[rokgpsman]

Shaggy- since the display is not blinking when the door is closed and that means the door optics are not working right, if they are aligned correctly then other than a bad door optic rx or tx is there anything else to check? Do the door optic cables both plug into the motherboard or mpu, someone may have unplugged one of them??

[Shaggy]

Shaggy- since the display is not blinking when the door is closed and that means the door optics are not working right, if they are aligned correctly then other than a bad door optic rx or tx is there anything else to check? Do the door optic cables both plug into the motherboard or mpu, someone may have unplugged one of them??

Well generally speaking yes. On my early S+ like Leo's, if the machine is on and at idle and I open the door the bottom of the candle flashes and the credits,winner paid display go blank. The coin in goes to zero. When you close the door the zero disappears like  the other two. A few seconds later all the displays come back on. The candle continues to flash until a paid credit is played.  From what I could trace out...It looks like the door optic goes to the MPU. And the cabinet optic looks like it goes to the back plane. Never hurts to check the back plane for unplugged wires or to just unplug and reseat them. With the power off of course. Bad optics are not uncommon.

Dave

[rokgpsman]

Thanks for that info, appreciate you tracing back the door optic wiring. At least the door optic parts are not too costly if he ends up changing one or both of them.

[Shaggy]

Exactly and S+ and S2000 use the same optics.

[rokgpsman]

From what I've read you just have to be careful about not getting the emitter and receiver optics reversed. IGT used the same connector on both so you could get them installed opposite from what they should be. Maybe the colors of the wires are different from the emitter and the receiver, or there is a part number stamped on the optic so you can match that up.

[leocat168]

Thanks guys... I tried the Camara trick but I don't see anything ... I have managed to get the machine to pretty consistently go from the 61 to 61-1. By turning the jackpot key and cycling through what appears to be some type of diagnostics until 61 comes up .. I then open ...hold the white button.... It dings and goes to 61-1.... I close the door turn the jackpot key once... It clears then after about ten seconds goes back to 61..... But !!!! During this I noticed the candle stops flashing while the door is closed and flashes again when I open it... So I'm assuming the optics are working..

Just waiting on that chip to arrive !!! 

[Shaggy]

It actually sounds like it. Glad to see you getting comfortable with the machine. I tried the camera thing too........Yeah i couldn't get it to work either.     Get the chip cross your fingers and let us know.   

Dave

[leocat168]

Thanks ... I love this type of thing.!!  I'm thinking if the chip process works I'll need to do a lot of setting up afterwards in order to get it to be usable at home... Have a feeling that'll be a challenge...... But it'll be great to get this old thing running!!

[Shaggy]

That's where the PSR comes in. We'll cross that bridge then.

[rokgpsman]

.... I tried the Camara trick but I don't see anything ...

Ya mean you didn't see the light beam like these guys did??

[leocat168]

No sir .. I did not... So question... Is the machine I have a "double" double diamond? And is that different than a double diamond?  If so how ?

[rokgpsman]

According to the first photo (shown below) of your machine you posted at the beginning of the thread your machine is a 2 coin max "Double Double Diamond". IGT made several variations on the "Diamond" game theme due to its popularity and there are differences between the various games. There is a Double Diamond, a Triple Diamond, even a Triple Double Diamond, etc, IGT milked this game theme as much as possible. Some of the games have "Deluxe" in the name such as Double Diamond Deluxe, they were extra popular due to their "nudge" feature.

There is a way by pressing the test button inside the machine to have it display the eprom software number (called the "SS" number) that is installed in your machine so you can find out detailed info about your game, such as payback percentage.

Check out this info, it lists the various IGT S slot games, you will see a lot of "Diamond" games:
http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%202CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus.htm

[Shaggy]

Leo if you're wanting to know how to find out the number of your Reel chip do this. Open the door and press the test button until you get a 4 in the coins played window. Two sets of numbers will start flashing. One is the SP chip (game) and the other is the SS chip (reel).

Dave

[knagl]

I have managed to get the machine to pretty consistently go from the 61 to 61-1. By turning the jackpot key and cycling through what appears to be some type of diagnostics until 61 comes up .. I then open ...hold the white button.... It dings and goes to 61-1.... I close the door turn the jackpot key once... It clears then after about ten seconds goes back to 61..... But !!!! During this I noticed the candle stops flashing while the door is closed and flashes again when I open it... So I'm assuming the optics are working..

Sounds somewhat promising.  You're mostly describing the "61 loop" where it goes from 61, to 61-1, back to 61.  A RAM clear chip should fix that.

[leocat168]

Thanks !  That's what I'm hoping.... Can't wait for the dam chip to arrive ...lol

[leocat168]

Ok so apparently I have a ss6201 reel chip... I looked it up on the chart but not sure what the columns mean... I know it may be premature.. But I want the game to pay out decently so if I need a different reel chip for that I was wondering if a good time to do it is when I use the clear chip.. And before the machine gets set up.

[rokgpsman]

From reading the chart for an SS6201 chip it has about a 90% payback, that is in the lower half of payback percentages but not the worst. You could replace it with a different SS chip that has a higher payback percentage. But you may not see a lot of difference as these percentages are based on thousands of spins over time, in the short run you can have higher or lower results with any SS chip. They are easy to change if you want to do it and technically an SS with a higher payback percentage should be more fun to play since the player will win more money. Different casinos order machines with different win percentages, that's why there are so many different ones available. If I was playing in a casino I'd want the machine to have the 98% chip installed, but for home use some people do not like the machine to be too easy to win, it dilutes the excitement of playing.

I think the columns showing Hit Freq and Win Freq are how often you will get some kind of a win or something like that.

The Stops column refers to how many virtual (electronic memory) stops the game has in its game play matrix, including blank or white spaces. On your game there are 64 possible stops for each reel. Each strip itself doesn't have 64 different possible symbols, so some physical strip positions are used multiple times. With 3 reels, each reel having 64 stops will give you 64x64x64 different combinations. I think the letter code "AAA" means all three reel strips are the same, on some machines the reel strips have different symbols or they are in a different order. On those machines the reel strips code could be "ABA" or even "ABC".

Top Award is the most number of coins you can win if you hit the rarest combination of symbols with a bet of 1 or 2 coins.

[leocat168]

Thanks... I think I should probably just get goin and see how it performs before changing anything..

[rokgpsman]

An idea to consider after you get your machine working and have played it for a while,,,,,

If you get to visit a casino you can look for a machine like yours, and other variations of "Diamond" machines, to compare them. If you see a machine with the word "Deluxe" in the name, such as Double Diamond Deluxe, give it a try. It has what is called a "nudge" feature and many players find it especially fun to play. When the reels stop on a non-winning combination if any of them are in a certain position they will click and move one more stop, with a forward or reverse movement, and land in a potential winning position. This little feature adds an extra excitement that keep the player on his toes.

If you liked this "nudge" feature you could convert your machine, would just need to replace the 2 eproms (possibly just 1 eprom) on the mpu board. It would be nice to also replace the glass on the machine so it would match the game play, especially the glass that shows the paytable/award. But many players don't pay attention to the glass so that isn't absolutely necessary. The glass is fairly easy to change and doesn't cost a lot. Before doing it you should probably play a Double Diamond Deluxe just to see if its game play appealed to you enough to make converting your machine worth it.

Below are a couple of the "Deluxe" type of Diamond machines. These are S2000 machines instead of an S+ like yours but you can still sometimes find these games in S+ machines at some of the smaller or older casinos. The S2000 is easily recognized by the large external speakers on both sides of the machine just below the top glass. Also, you'll see that IGT started writing the word "Credits" instead of "Coins" on the glass signage on the newer machines as the use of coins went away. Newer machines only work with paper currency bills or printed tickets, so the word "credits" has replaced "coins".