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Haywire S+ random stopping
« on: March 06, 2024, 06:08:40 PM »
I have a Haywire S+ 25 cent machine that had been sitting a while. When I turned it on the lights wouldn't come on and it wouldn't go through the complete start up sequence. I changed all the lights and starters which didn't help. I then after watching some videos and reading forums realised that one of the wiring harnesses had a brown spot so I ordered a new one and then I got a code 61. I ordered a new battery, installed it, pressed the reset button and turned the key once and everything came on. The bill validator isn't working great, sometimes it works and sometimes the bill gets stuck but I am able to get credits if I'm persistent. I can use coins to get credits too. My main problem is I can play the machine once I get credits in and everything seems to be working fine. Then it will just stop, reels don't spin, some lights don't work, I can push the buttons but the only thing that happens is the light behind the 25 cent glass goes dim. Then after 10 or so seconds, it continues on like nothing is wrong. Has this happened to anyone else? I haven't found anything on line. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Re: Haywire S+ random stopping
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2024, 06:20:04 PM »
That denom lamp is run by 7vac , going dim would indicate that new connector is not making a good connection at the motherboard, the pins probably have some corrosion or oxidation, clean them very well, see if that doesn't cure the problem.

do this with the power off, remove the hopper so you have a good work area.

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Re: Haywire S+ random stopping
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2024, 06:25:17 PM »
Jim, thanks for the reply. I did what you said and here's what I found. The new cord I purchased off EBay already has started to turn brown on the same pin as the old one. I had originally spend a fair amount of time cleaning the pins the first time. Looking at the new harness the connector that is turning brown seems to not be as tight as the other slots of the plug like the brass is pushed away. Could this be a bad harness or could there be something I may be missing. There was already more build up on the previously cleaned pin. Is there a trick or procedure to cleaning them? Thanks for all the help!
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Re: Haywire S+ random stopping
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2024, 07:07:22 AM »
It would not hurt to spray some deoxidization cleaner on the male pins of the motherboard, or the female pins in the power harness housing.
I use this stuff from an auto parts store...>>>

https://www.autozone.com/miscellaneous-cleaners-and-degreasers/electrical-parts-cleaner/p/crc-qd-electronic-cleaner-11oz/128435_0_0?searchText=electronics+cleaner

There's also De-Oxit contact cleaner.
All you need is a drop on each pin.

If you're good at soldering, you could tin the male pins with a fresh solder?
However, normally the problem is the weakened female pins not grasping the male pins tightly anymore.
I like changing out the female pins entirely with brand new ones.
They're only .14 cents each.
Here's where I get them...>>>

https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Molex/08-50-0032?qs=K8BHR703ZXiD8qx3EifaeQ%3D%3D
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Re: Haywire S+ random stopping
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2024, 11:23:17 AM »
This helps a lot thanks! I give it a try and let you know how things go. I appreciate all the help!!!
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Re: Haywire S+ random stopping
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2024, 04:51:45 PM »
Haywire64,
 I sell the cables and motherboard connector here, and on ebay.  I'm curious if the one you purchased on ebay was from me, I go by trisailtony on ebay. I haven't received any feedback on problems with the cables, they do have the Trifurcon contacts Slay- pictured above. If you would like, or need another one , PM me and I will send you one, even if you just want it for future or be sure it's not the problem. Your explanation of your issue(s) sound like power cable is the culprit.

https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=32733.msg173795#msg173795
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Re: Haywire S+ random stopping
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2024, 06:18:16 PM »
Trisail, the original one wasn't from you but I did just purchase one from you last night. Thanks for the help!
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Re: Haywire S+ random stopping
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2024, 07:23:14 AM »
Those trifurcon contact pins are better than the stock pins.
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Re: Haywire S+ random stopping
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2024, 10:14:04 AM »
Update, I changed the power cord to the motherboard and installed new male pins on the motherboard. I also used the spray recommended but am still having the same issue. I am attaching the pics of my machine and will post a video next showing what it is doing. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Re: Haywire S+ random stopping
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2024, 10:44:00 AM »
It looks like you have the denomination light on only.
If that is the case, I would say you don't have power to the motherboard. You can remove the hopper and use your meter to check the pins and see if power is present. Raise the connector a bit if you need to. I will assume fuses are good... check for bent/missing pins on the mpu board.
Recheck all the motherboard connectors are correct and plugged in.
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Re: Haywire S+ random stopping
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2024, 11:18:45 AM »
sounds like a intermittent fuse cap, have seen alot of those on S plus machines, even though the fuse is good, the spring in the fuse cap has lost its tinsel strength.  wiggle the top fuses on the power supply module and see if you duplicate your issue.

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Re: Haywire S+ random stopping
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2024, 11:37:15 AM »
Trisail, I tested the power on the cable and I get Orange-10V, Orange/green 10V, Brown/blue 5v, Blue 4V, Green 0v, Green 0v, done with my digital meter. Also noted that when I push the play 2 credit button the bill acceptor light comes on and the denomination light gets brighter.
Jim, I will try wiggling the fuse caps too.
Thanks guys!
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Re: Haywire S+ random stopping
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2024, 12:22:51 PM »
Here are pictures of the original power connector in a machine. Also the pinout schematic for the connector.

You should measure AC voltage from either of the green wires on the right of the connector to the other 4 wires.


Green (1 or 2) to blue (3)= 7vac
Green (1 or 2 to brown/blue (4) = 8vac
Green (1 or 2) to orange/green (5) = 12vac or maybe 24vac
Green (1 or 2) to orange (6) = 12vac or 0vac
Been a while on the last 2 readings. When I know for sure I will correct the post.

You can unplug the connector and do the readings in the straight 6 pin connector to see if something is loading down the voltage. A comparison plugged on motherboard and unplugged may give us more information.
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Re: Haywire S+ random stopping
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2024, 03:39:44 PM »
Trisail, here's what I found. with the plug on the board
Green 1 or 2 to blue = 6vac
Green 1or 2 to brown/blue = 7vac
Green 1 or 2 to orange/green = 12vac
Green 1 or 2 to orange = 12vac
Plug off the board
Green 1 to blue = 13vac
Green 1 to brown/blue =12vac
Green 1 to orange/green = 12vac
Green 1 to orange = 12vac
Green 2 to blue = 8vac
Green 2 to brown/blue = 9vac
Green 2 to orange and green = 10vac
Green 2 to orange = 14vac
Totally different readings. I also played the machine for probably 15 minutes using the add 1 credit button and the spin reels button and it only stopped once. However it stated to smell like burnt electric so I stopped and opened the machine and found the one wire had basically melted. I then pulled off the board to look it over and found this underneath. Could this be my issue or possibly something else?
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Re: Haywire S+ random stopping
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2024, 03:51:20 PM »
That is probably the problem. You started with a burnt pin here already.
I would like you to check the cable below and compare it with the one I sent to be sure I wired it correct.

Let's sanity check and see what we have.
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Re: Haywire S+ random stopping
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2024, 04:18:54 PM »
Trisail, looks like it's the same. Where would I go to get a new board, or are they available? I'm assuming I should start there first.
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Re: Haywire S+ random stopping
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2024, 04:26:46 PM »
Check with Jim Midwest slots or maybe Chism he does WMS. Place a want ad if you can.
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Re: Haywire S+ random stopping
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2024, 06:26:07 PM »
What is this board called? I have a manual but can't find the exact name so I can start asking around. Sorry, new to this.
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Re: Haywire S+ random stopping
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2024, 07:37:35 PM »
The long circuit board attached to the floor of an S+ cabinet...we call it the...>>> "IGT S+ Motherboard."

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