809-ZZB in freeplay no pay

[DavidLee]

Winner paid light I believe is controlled by the payout step up unit.
Possibly it did not reset. This could be the reason its not paying
Check the turquoise spiral cam to see if it returned back.
The cam should reset automatically on the first coin after a payout..

[Phan000]

Sorry for the miss information



I was looking at the back side of the door.  It was the play 5 coins add ligh, not winner paid.


I’ll mess with the contacts again tomorrow. 


I really appreciate all the great help y’all have provided!  Gotta be getting pretty close to fixed... for now anyway.

[wolftalk]

the middle switch on the handle release relay isn't the only switch in the circuit.  If you want, just jumper the 90 wire to the 63-3 wire and see what happens.


wire 63-3 comes from the coin replay on the left side of the reel unit, so also looks at 63-3 and 60-1 on that relay.


63-3 is a brown/yellow wire and 60-1 is solid brown.  Looks like in your pic on post 20 those wires are on the two blades furthest from the coil


your payout counter in post 33 is reset, so it should look like that whenever you didn't have a win...the position of the spiral and the switch being lifted open.


if you have an meter that measures resistance or a continuity tester, you can with game power off:

0] set up any winner on the reels
1] pull out the reel mech
2] manually trip the coin relay or stick paper between the contacts so 60-1 is not connected to 63-3
3] clip a meter probe to wire 63-3
4] push the reel mech back in
5] pull out hopper and connect other meter probe to grey/yellow wire 93 on the payout relay coil. 
6] push hopper back in

you should get almost zero ohms on the meter.    If you don't, move the probe from wire 63-3 on the coin switch to 63-3 on the handle release coil.  If still nothing, move the probe to wire 90 on the handle release coil.

what you are doing
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if you look at the schematic around H10, wire 63-3 comes from the coin relay switch and thru the handle release switch onto wire 90, and from there the circuit goes into the reel wiper boards.   If the reels stop at positions that are winners, wire 90 connects to the appropriate numbered trace on the payout disc, and from there the circuit follows wire 93 to power the payout relay.

when the payout relay powers, the hopper turns on.  On your machine, as each coin is ejected the payout counter mechanically steps up and rotates the payout wipers.  When the payout wipers step off the end of the payout trace associated with the winner, the payout relay loses power, the hopper is turned off, and payout is done.


the ideal way to probe the circuit is game power on and an unpaid winner on the reels.   Put one meter probe on wire 70 on any handy 50V coil, use the other probe anywhere along the circuit path from wire 63-3 to 93 and look for where the 50V drops significantly or disappears. 


the hard part is getting the probe onto the places you want to check.  Without extension cables to run the reels or hopper outside the cabinet, you have to keep pulling out units, clipping on the probe, and pushing them back in without shorting the probe to anything.


on your game, you can turn the power off, place the probes, and turn it back on to have it keep doing what is was doing.

[Phan000]

I followed all of these steps until connecting 93 to 63-3.  I tested the wires for ohms-  nothing, then accidentally connected the wires... Jackpot bell rang and coins poured onto the floor.


After disconnecting the leads, and collecting quarters off my garage floor, the machine is finally paying!  It's actually overpaying by a ton, and pretty much empty's the hopper and causes the reset every time even a small prize is won.


So I have no idea what actually fixed the problem, but I'm sure glad it's playable.    I guess fixing the payback is the next order of business.

[DavidLee]

Continuity could of been re-established while testing and or adjusting.
Also possible the machine need to complete a cycle to start working properly.


Nice that it’s at a point where it plays.
Makes it a lot easier to correct any other problems.

[wolftalk]

it sounds like you may have an issue with a flaky plug connection.  Sometimes wiggling the reel unit or the hopper unit will make the connection work, and that'll confirm there's a plug issue.


david, what's the easiest way to clean the plugs?



when you have an electrically stepped payout counter like yours, a runaway payout where it empties the hopper or pays until the safety circuit stops the pay is usually caused by the payout counter not stepping up.   


if you aren't sure how the payout counter works, pull the hopper after a coin dump and post a picture of the entire payout counter.  The span of wipers that are around 6:00 at reset should have rotated counter-clockwise.

[Phan000]

Turns out it was counter switch located on top of the hopper.  Cleaned the connections, and it’s now paying correctly.




Thank you Wolf and David for your kindness and help with getting this thing going.  I think it’s all set now (until my kids put pennies in it).


Thanks again

[DavidLee]

Okay, great!
Pivot arm switches, they take a beating.