Hopper stops after 1 coin out.

[OldReno]

Here's the wiring on schematic I have
30 wire to line unit open at zero switch then leaves on 58 wire going to line unit reset relay switch (normally open) leaving there on 21 wire which goes to one side of line unit reset relay coil and ALSO goes to another line unit open at zero switch. Other side of this switch is 31 wire which is soldered to your reset solenoid.
You must check those switches to verify they can and do close....

[DavidLee]

Good work Paul,


You've narrowed down the situation pretty good.
I will re-read your post a couple of more times.
See what I can come up with.

[capt7310]

So I checked with my other Ballys on the operation of the relays and my other machine has definitely an open relay or coil and I'm chasing my tail here. My other machine the plunger is up and when I place a coin in it, it goes down and the second coin the plunger goes up and as I add coins the plunger remains up. After I pull the arm the plunger remains up until I add a coin then it goes down and works as should. My other machine seems to be just the opposite and when I trace the orange wires everything looks fine but the line unit reset relay buzzes  and clamps down until I press down on the reset relay then everything works fine. If I play with one coin the machine pays out and works... 2 or more total chaos. I thank everyone for their input  but I'm almost ready to raise the white flag.....

[DavidLee]

Paul,


i'm sure you'll discover what is the problem, it's good to have a machine for comparing.
Thinking there is a set of contacts open or closed when they shouldn't be.
Will re-read your last post a few more times. I keep going back to page 18 in the manual.


Dave

[DavidLee]

Paul,

Re-read your post. The reset coil is getting power some place other than the reset relay contacts or somehow through the relay. Assuming the reset coil is not mechanically malfunctioning.
Not the common solid orange wire, but the other side should be an open circuit until the reset relay is activated. With your good machine off put a meter lead on the coil solder joint opposite the common orange.
Touch the other lead from the meter to a solid yellow wire.
See if you get a beep / reading. I don't think you will.
Now do the same test on the machine in question to compare results.

[OldReno]

Ok, when odds unit resets the reset coil plunger pulls down and is mechanically latched in place by the linkages as you will notice. It stays latched (down) until your odds step up plunger pulls in 2nd coin played. It stays up thereafter until your game is over and only resets when you start a new game. It will unlatch and pull down again as soon as you insert coin for new game (when your coin in switch is pushed down by coin or with finger. If you only play one coin then it will stay latched.   It sounds like it is working correctly -- that's how it is supposed to work. 
Did you check all your open 4th odds switches for proper operation?

[OldReno]

Let me rephrase last post. If you only play 1 coin then the odds reset plunger is down. ONLY if you play more than one coin then it goes up. It will stay up until you drop in a coin for the next game, which is when it is supposed to reset.
It sounds like it is working just fine.  What is the problem that you are trying to fix -- we need you to be specific. 

[DavidLee]

Paul wrote "the line unit reset relay buzzes  and clamps down until I press down on the reset relay then everything works fine

Okay sounds like the contacts associated with the reset relay may need some attention. As when you manually work that relay it appears to work fine.

[OldReno]

Circuit goes through handle release switch (23 wire on one side). Make sure it contacts WELL to the other side. You may also have a snap switch 1st reel wiper pushes it back but I don't think you have one. That's downstroke circuit HOWEVER it also creates a holding circuit to ensure reset. This circuit is through odds unit open at zero (30 to maybe 58 wire) AND also through odds unit reset relay switch which is on the odds relay switch stack. This holding circuit keeps odds unit reset relay AND reset coil plunger on so that the reset action is certain to work.  Any one of these switches not making full contact can cause your problems. IF your reset relay coil works well and firmly when you jumper it then your coil is good. Only if it is weak should you think about replacing it.

[jimliner]

Hi
If your handle is still not locking I would fix that 1st.  This maybe off base but check coin relay coil switches.  Specifically switch that has 83 and 25 wires. 

Read Old Renos Tips on "no handle release"   in there it states handle will always be released if this switch is stuck closed.  Switch should be open till coin switch trips coin relay coil. 
I'd even put a piece of tape on switch contact to test. 
Jim

[capt7310]

I had a buddy of mine come by and do some checking, he is much better at electrical and understanding what should take place then me. I showed him the broken resistor that was connected to the Line-Unit Step-Up Relay and he thinks that is a big issue so I ordered up a resistor from ebay and should have them in the next day or two.  Reno in reply #45 you are right with the plunger down with one coin in, and as I add the second coin in the plunger goes up as it should. BUT here's the problem...when I pulled down on the arm and the reels stop and I go for another play and when I insert the one coin the plunger should automatically go down ( I checked that with my other machine) and it doesn't I have to manually push it down it WILL NOT reset. The issue is the the reset coil will not RESET. I will keep everyone posted

[DavidLee]

Hello Paul,


Did you get the resistor yet?
Added photo of new machine.

[capt7310]

Very cool machine, I haven't received the order yet but as soon as I do I'll install it and keep my fingers X. This is my other machine that I'm basically referencing from.

[DavidLee]

Nice machine, didn't realize it was a double progressive.
Got a 5 line machine double progressive, but its a Summit conversation.
Bought it for parts, but it's in real  good shape and hate the idea of tearing it apart.
Working on getting it going without spending a lot. Replaced a couple of electronic parts and it somewhat works. Have to look at few more things.


Hopefully the new part will do the trick.
Maybe the bad coil caused the resistor to over heat.
Old school test, give it a sniff for evidence of burning.

[Jon]

Dave the sniff test only works when you hook it up to a variac and get the voltage up to about 1:45 then the sniff test works great you find it right away Hehe

[capt7310]

Hey guys I want to thank all who try to help me to fix my machine especially, Dave, Mr. Reno  you were always there for a reply. Unfortunately I'm tapping out and put the machine up for sale on craigs. The machine works great with one coin in anymore than that and it's problem time. Thanks again I'm on the quest for a Low Boy.