Bally 1090 Hopper Troubleshooting

[Lee Pfeifer]

Been working on this Bally 1090 all day , now that the stepper unit is working properly and the handle is releasing like it should , time to move up and find out what it’s gonna take to make it pay out , I’m clueless, I’m including a video

<a href="http://youtu.be/R12oVd_E3kU" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://youtu.be/R12oVd_E3kU</a>

please help me.
Thank you ,
LEE

[OldReno]

Check your hopper payboard, see if it has reset to zero. Clue is winner paid light stays on.
Push back reel wipers to see if they all align at last row of buttons. Make sure all wiper fingers are making contact.
Make sure your coin relay S.W. 60-63 are closed and handle release switch 63-90 also closing.
Set up pay and gently pull down on reels.
That’s a good start.
(Haven’t checked your vid yet...)

[Lee Pfeifer]

Thank you Sir ! I will report back.

[OldReno]

Pull handle, hold the clock fan and set up cherry pays, any fruit pay and then 7’s pay to see if any of them work.
You have external payboard, make sure it is plugged in.
Your timer motor is there to turn off whole machine in event of runaway or empty hopper. Don’t worry too much about it but beware it can give you a shock if you try to turn off machine with the button in the back.
When working with live voltage always use the one hand in the pocket rule & never hold onto case with other hand. You don’t want to become your very own circuit.

[Lee Pfeifer]

Update !!!!! When I hit a pay the hopper motor Turns now , I don’t have any coin in the machine so I cannot check the payout ( I don’t have the star thing that shuffles the coins ) .
Thanks for the advice, I’ll report back.

[OldReno]

Drop some coins in hopper anyway, it’s just a mixer

[Lee Pfeifer]

I added some coin and it’s a runaway pay , it just wants to empty the hopper even on a single cherry

[slcjeeper]

As the coins exit the hopper, they pass under a roller arm which through linkage engages a switch. This may need to be adjusted for the height of your coins with the screw above the switch. A test you can do to see if this switch is working is set a low pay without coins in the hopper. During the time for payout, lift the roller lever equal times to the the pay and see if this stops the hopper.

[Lee Pfeifer]

Jeeper,
I believe I found the roller , the linkage and the switch . There was no screw so I added one (1) screw it in to far and hopper doesn’t turn (2) screw it out to far and it empties the hopper .
Am I in the right spot ?
Thank you very much for you help and your time .
Lee

[wolftalk]

the full model number off the serial number plate below the handle is helpful.  1099-something tho it could just be 1099.


for games like this one with an electrically stepped payout counter, the switch you care about is usually called the "hopper pulse switch".  It has yellow wire 30 on one blade and yellow/brown wire 36 on another.  When a coin exits the hopper, the switch stack slcjeeper pointed you at should operate and close the switch between those two wires.


you can check with the hopper out by sticking a coin in the right place to operate the switch stack and verify you have correct switch closure with a little overtravel (you want the switch blades to keep moving a little after the contacts touch to cause the contact faces to slide across each other a bit.  That kinda cleans and helps make a good mechanical connection).


if that all looks ok, the circuit typically goes on thru a payout relay switch, maybe a jackpot lockup relay switch and the coin unit before connecting to the payout counter step-up coil.  You could lose the connection at any of those components or the plug connections between them....or your payout counter step-up coil is bad.

[Lee Pfeifer]

WolfTalk,
The model number on the nameplate of my machine is 1090 under that it says 1090-2876.
I follow what you’ve said except the last paragraph, I’m kinda lost on that part.
Thank you for walking me through these issues, and thank you for your time .

[Lee Pfeifer]

The current state of events is when I set up a big pay on my payout mech the wipers do not return to their starting position.
Here’s the video

<a href="http://youtu.be/wNJLUT_TKCY" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://youtu.be/wNJLUT_TKCY</a>

Please help me if you can . I’ve got the payout mech and the hopper out , I’m going over every square inch with a magnifying glass looking for problems and cleaning as I go .

[OldReno]

Your payboard is not resetting to zero. The 2 switches that make that happen are your zero Switch and the other is the ‘B’ switch on left side reel mech just above your clock and fan. When you pull handle the ‘B’ momentarily closes to reset payboard.
Note that if it is closed all the time you will have a runaway, however this is not the case in your machine because the wipers are moved up to around the 20 coins area as in your video.
This type of problem is called constant reset runaway, when hopper steps and instantly resets over and over.
But that is not your problem.

[Lee Pfeifer]

UPDATE !
I removed the payout mech and the hopper and gave them both a good cleaning , now the machine is working and paying out , but now it’s overpaying by one coin sometimes two or so .

[Samman]

Good. Now gently adjust the zero stopper by turning the Allen head screw so that you can see the wiper fingers move a little.  Adjusting just a little one way or the other will cure this issue. I set mine so that the wiper fingers on the payout board are slightly to the left of the six o'clock position when the unit is reset to zero.

[Lee Pfeifer]

Update 💰 ! Everything is paying as it should ! Thank you so much !
This group is incredible!
Thanks for walking me through this!
LEE

[Lee Pfeifer]

The solution was more cleaning and more investigation, more light and more magnifying glass 🔎!
What solved the problem was the great people in this group , the main mechanical issue was the payout mech/ wheel wasn’t resetting back to zero and after it was resetting properly all the way back to the zero stop bumper , all that was needed was fine adjustment to make it pay accurately .

[wolftalk]

The model number on the nameplate of my machine is 1090 under that it says 1090-2876.
I follow what you’ve said except the last paragraph, I’m kinda lost on that part.
Thank you for walking me through these issues, and thank you for your time .

you can find the schematic for that model in http://bingo.cdyn.com/slots/1090/ ... it's the file with name starting with "w-1046-1836".


whether it matters depends on what ya like to know :-)   


these slots are simple enough that the shotgun approach of "check/clean/adjust everything" is tedious but doable.  For the bingo machines I spent more time on, shotgunning is not practical, so you learn to interpret the schematic.


'course, in this case your problem was mechanical.  The payout counter printed circuit plate is usually lubricated with a thin film of something that won't gum up and is ok electrically.  People use all sorts of stuff like mineral oil, CV grease, contact cleaner/lube (make sure the solvents have evaporated before powering on), thin silicone grease, etc.


if you are curious, grab the schem and see why what oldreno said about the zero switch and reel mech B switch is a good answer for the payout counter not resetting - see C8 area of schem.  You can also see the wire colors on the switches so you'd know exactly which switches on stacks matter and you'd be able to follow the wiring thru the plug connection by using the plug charts on the bottom of the schem.

[Lee Pfeifer]

WolfTalk,
Thank you for helping me with my education. The machine is doing much better , it’s paying properly on low pays like single or double cherries 🍒, but it’s inaccurate on larger pays like three bars with a three coin multiplier, it’s paying over by 70 coins on that and it’s paying 17 coins over on 2 plums and a bar with a three coin multiplier.

[wolftalk]

if it pays ok on single coin for higher pays, the only differences for 2+ coins are connections thru the coin unit disc and the x2 or x3 units (B16 on the schem).


I don't recall what the x2 or x3 units look like, but I'd guess they each have a coil, a switch and a small plastic cam.   The coils power every time a coin ejects and rotates the cam, and the cam closes the switch every 2 or 3 positions.


when the switch is closed and the x2/x3 coil powers, the payout counter step-up coil also powers.


if your problem is only with 3 coins played, then the coin unit connects wire 84 to 36-3 and the hopper pulse switch is connected to the x3 unit.  The x3 unit coil should power every time a coin is ejected, if not, suspect the coin unit wiper<->rivet connection, plug connections or bad solder joint on the coil.


if the x3 unit is stepping for every coin ejected,  check the switch on the x3 unit.