873 30 pay

[Herbie21]

Hi boys,


one of my 873 machines pays out 30 on 5 lines played. Cherry on line one, 3 plums on line 4 and 5.


Please note there is no BAR used on the third reel as on my other machines to make this combination payout.


How does this 873 do it calculate and pay the right amount.


I can't find any schematic of the 873 with this payout option.


cheers Herbie

[wolftalk]

can you post a picture of the payout glass? 


what is the complete model number on the plate below the handle?  There's a lot of different models of the machine, but payout is determined by the wiper positions on the reel boards and what trace(s) they connect on the payout counter disc.


while the basic machine mostly the same for all 873 models, the reel tapes, slotted reel index discs, reel wiper wiring and payout counter are often different between the models, but they had some common combinations (e.g. "fruit", "lightning", "jillions of jackpots").


my listing shows at least 10 different payout counter discs used in the 873's, so there was a lot of pay differences.

[Herbie21]

picture will follow, reel tape one is M-222-159, two is a M-222-160 and three is a M-222-455

[Herbie21]

the plums payout, the 104 payout and 28 with bells and oranges.


Great construction, lots of fun playing 5 coins.


the plums circuit to pay 30 is going through the plum relay?
the 28 oranges bars through the bar relay?
104 ??


I can't find the schematic for this great payouts.

[DavidLee]

The wiper boards behind the reels might give you a clue.
There’s 10 to 11 layers of contact receiver rivets, so it would be possible to wire up 5 lines.

[wolftalk]

873-ZZY is a "5 line pay" made for puerto rico.


the schematic is w-1046-1553, and that will probably not be findable. 

the 873-ZC is also a "5 line pay" that uses the same tapes for reels 1 and 2, so the information for that game on http://bingo.cdyn.com/slots/ will be pretty similar.  You'd have to trace the wiring onto reel 3 to debug the pay issues.

the payout counter used on the game is w-923-388, and I don't have a diagram for it.  If you can post a picture of the payout counter - including the wiring on the edge - that would be great.


in the pic you posted, 30 pay would be correct if all 5 lines are enabled.  You have two 3-plum wins + a single cherry win.  Your lights only show the center payline active, so it should have paid 2.


I'm not clear on what payout you are having trouble with ... if any.


below is the definition for reel tape m-222-455.

[Herbie21]

Hi Wolftalk,


I have no pay-out problems, the 873-ZZY is my favourite 873 version, although the total average payout percentage is only 76% it has these beautiful pricing combinations as the pictures shows. I would love to see in a schematic who the have solved these complicated payout combinations. I presume with an extra plum and bell relay. How to manage the 104 payout I don't have a clue.

[wolftalk]

the way they did the payout is kinda ... something.  The 873-ZC has similar pay to your machine.


the trick is the index disc slot depth may be different for the same symbol appearing at a position (so the reel wipers are on different rivets even though the symbol is the same at a visible position).  The payout counter has traces for a 14, 16,  28 and 30 pay.


your 873-ZZY uses the same index discs as the 873-ZC (p-684-[7,7,8]), so it works the same way.


the below is the 873-ZC reel 1 wiring.  Notice positions 1-4 all have plums as the top line symbol, but the positions correspond to the three visible symbols being PL-CH-PL, PL-BAR-PL, PL-OR-PL or PL-OR-SEF (sef = fat seven)


because the wipers are indexed at different positions, the wiring for each position can route differently and wind up at a different payout counter trace.  e.g.
- if line 4 was 7-PL-PL and line 5 was PL-PL-PL, then the 14 pay trace would be energized. 
- if line 4 was PL-PL-PL and line 5 was PL-PL-PL, then the 28 and maybe the 30 pay trace would be energized, depending on whether a cherry was on line 1 on reel 1. 



the payout counter trace pattern is the the complicated part ... lotsa traces.  Sometimes the total pay is handled by a single trace, other times multiple trace segments are powered to get the total pay and the wipers may step off the initial one but keep going because they stepped onto another that is powered.


the plum relay helps switch on extra traces to add more to the pay.

a pic of your payout counter would be great.

[Herbie21]

thanks Wolftalk, that is exactly why I got hooked by these 873's!


How did they do it, how did they manage these complicated comined payouts!


Amazing Bally men, thanks to them!!

[Herbie21]

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