Author Topic: Bally 1130-5 coin problem (Read 8428 times)

Osso12 · « **on:** May 10, 2016, 01:36:53 PM »

I am not able to "load up" the machine with all three quarters... After you put the second coin in, it simply returns the coin. Why does the machine behave this way?

jimliner · « **Reply #1 on:** May 10, 2016, 02:29:57 PM »

Does the "Insert Coin" stay on or does it go out after second coin is accepted?

Osso12 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 10, 2016, 02:53:19 PM »

Stays on.......

DavidLee · « **Reply #3 on:** May 10, 2016, 05:03:40 PM »

Second coin gets returned, check to see if the coin lock out coil is being activated after the first coin. Its behind the the coin mechanism.
You should be able to see the armature tab moving in and out near center of the coin mechanism.
It should stay on until the 3rd coin.

On the left side of the reel mechanism metal case is a long spring, its one of the first things you will see. Just right of the spring is a slide lever bar that activates a switch. With the machine on you can deactivate the coin lock out coil by pushing it in about 1 inch or so. You will hear the coil and the insert coin light will go off and on. This may not be the solution, but a way of testing the lock out coil and insert coin light.

cowboygames · « **Reply #4 on:** May 10, 2016, 05:14:43 PM »

To me, an uneducated newby to bally, it appears that whatever mechanism, counts coin in, is seeing the 2nd coin as the 2nd and 3rd coin, or can't see the 2nd coin because it's dirty. I'd clean that mechanism

DavidLee · « **Reply #5 on:** May 10, 2016, 05:34:41 PM »

That is good advice, and it would be the odds unit usually located in the top of the machine.
A good cleaning of all contacts might do the trick.

Osso12 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 11, 2016, 11:50:19 AM »

i see the spring on the left side of the reels......
i do not see the slide bar....

DavidLee · « **Reply #7 on:** May 11, 2016, 12:53:22 PM »

The bar with the ratchet wheel connected to it that is well lubricanted.
It's parallel to the right of the spring. I can see it in the photo.
By pushing it back you can test the lock out coil and coin light.

Osso12 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 11, 2016, 07:13:32 PM »

ok, we can hear the coil click on and off when we are pushing the bar in and out. the insert coin light stays on. it does not go off. my ol lady says she just got shocked like a biotch... so we dont wanna do that anymore... any more suggestions? only this seems to be the only problem with the machine. tnx

jimliner · « **Reply #9 on:** May 11, 2016, 07:40:54 PM »

Sorry to hear your wife got zapped. I really try not to put hands or arm in too deep with power on. I have reached in on occasion.

Anyways, with power on and door open can you play 3 coins by manually tripping the coin switch (not ramp coin switch) by hand and have all three coin features light up?

rdaniel · « **Reply #10 on:** May 11, 2016, 08:08:10 PM »

Let me see if I understand your problem. You insert the first coin and the machine accepts it. Then the second coin is rejected and returned to the coin tray? Is this the same for the third coin? If this is the case I may have a possible solution.

rdaniel

rokgpsman · « **Reply #11 on:** May 11, 2016, 08:10:02 PM »

Quote from: Osso12 on May 11, 2016, 07:13:32 PM

...... my ol lady says she just got shocked like a biotch... so we dont wanna do that anymore...

When doing something like that maybe you can use something to push with that is made of plastic or wood, like a stick, ruler, large kitchen spoon, etc. Also a good idea to remove any jewelry like rings, bracelets, necklaces, etc when working on electrical equipment.

DavidLee · « **Reply #12 on:** May 11, 2016, 09:06:08 PM »

Sorry about the shock, not fun at all. Did this happen while pushing the bar? Shouldn't be any current running through the chassis.
Jim good advice, try advancing the odds unit by lightly pressing the coin in switch under the coin mechanism. If the odds unit advances, the coin lock out coil or the coin mechanism could be causing the problem.
After the first coin in, the latch switch on the lower side of the reel mechanism all the way to the rear is tripped.This may open a circuit causing the coin lock coil to become inactivated thus coins are knocked over and returned. With the machine off, door open, insert a coin and visually follow it through and you will see what is happening.

With all that said, I would manually trip the coin in switch with the machine on to see what happens.

Also behind the hopper at the back of the cabinet is where the power cord comes in. Check to make sure the green wire is grounded to the machine. Definitely unplug the machine while working in that area.
Please post photo of the machine if possible.

OldReno · « **Reply #13 on:** May 12, 2016, 12:04:08 PM »

If the big variator bar spring touches the 'C' stack of switches when you push it back, that will MOST GENERALLY make shocks.
You can grab that set of switches and carefully move the whole stack away from the spring (outwards) so that they don't touch.
That done you might want to check your machine for shorts, but it's prolly the 'C' stack.
And when in doubt use the one hand in the pocket rule when touching stuff.

Osso12 · « **Reply #14 on:** May 13, 2016, 12:35:45 PM »

Quote from: rdaniel on May 11, 2016, 08:08:10 PM

Let me see if I understand your problem. You insert the first coin and the machine accepts it. Then the second coin is rejected and returned to the coin tray? Is this the same for the third coin? If this is the case I may have a possible solution.

rdaniel

Exactly the problem, it wont take a second coin so there is no way it will take a "third" coin.

Jon · « **Reply #15 on:** May 13, 2016, 03:01:47 PM »

if you flick the coin switch manually does the ODS unit count the coins if so the problem is on the stack Up switches on the back of the ODS unit
The Wire on the back of the ODS unit should be a 3-1 yellow red that will be the switch with the problem

OldReno · « **Reply #16 on:** May 13, 2016, 03:27:49 PM »

Jon, a most excellent question.
Machine will not take coins either because the coin lockout coil is off (it LOCKS the coins OUT when off -- except for $ machines-opposite), or some other problem like coin stuck in the acceptor or on the coin in switch. Or a separate wiring problem..

This is why it is important to push on the lockout armature and feel if it is on or not. It will buzz at you and you can feel resistance.
Or if you have good ears, just pull forward very slightly on the handle, and when the dashpot switch breaks that kills power to the CLO coil.
You can check this without even opening the machine door. If you HEAR the lockout turn on and off, then it is working OK.
If the lockout coil does turn off after 1st coin, then as Jon says, it's likely to be the open at 4th odds switch (5 coin machine), or open at 2nd odds in the case of a 3 coin machine.
The reason they call it open at 4th odds and open at 2nd odds, is that the odds unit does not activate at all if you only play one coin (actually it does reset on 1st coin in but thats different thats odds reset, not odds step). 1st odds always means 2nd coin played.
So, 2nd coin in is 1st odds, 3rd coin in is 2nd odds, 4th coin is 3rd odds, and of course 5 coins in is 4th odds played.
I think as Jon says, you will find an open at (?) odds switch is opening way too soon.
It is activated by the tab on the large white gear in your odds unit in the top. There are several sets of switches there, one probably turns off the insert coin light you will find. Insert coin coin off tells you to stop putting coins in, and CLO coil turning off forces you to stop putting coins in. They both work the same, but one is 6V the other is 50V.
Those diabolical Bally engineers....

Osso12 · « **Reply #17 on:** May 13, 2016, 04:05:33 PM »

Quote from: DavidLee on May 11, 2016, 09:06:08 PM

Please post photo of the machine if possible.

Osso12 · « **Reply #18 on:** May 13, 2016, 04:34:17 PM »

ok, we miscommunicated previously..... my apologies for the miscommunication.....
we still have not found the bar nxt to the ratchet wheel... with the reel machanism out, can u show me on this picture directly where the bar is located? please circle or show diagram on the photo and republish?

DavidLee · « **Reply #19 on:** May 13, 2016, 06:13:01 PM »

The ratchet wheel is connected to the bar/ slid lever. This operates the switches. The ratchet is a variable to change the timing so slightly.
Coin up or depress the coin in switch, with the handle pull this slid lever will be activated.

The state of your machine is only one coin is accepted, correct?
Manually working the coin in switch doesn't make a difference?
With the door open drop the first coin. For the second coin pull the handle just until you hear a click.
The clicking sound would be the lock out coil behind the coin mechanism.
With the handle held in that position, drop another coin to see if it steps up to the second coin payout and so forth.

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Author Topic: Bally 1130-5 coin problem (Read 8428 times)