S+ Stuck in setup routine after 61-1 clear

[rickds]

So yesterday I was able to clear a 61-1 loop after replacing the on board battery a while back, using clear/set chips. It's an S+ Double Diamond 3 coin multiplier machine.


When I flip the switch to turn the machine on it goes through the startup routine and the reels spin and stop but then nothing. From what I understand the 'INSERT COIN' light should come on and should just work. If I do nothing then a couple seconds later the reels will spin/stop again. The only indicator lights that show up is a 0 in the coins played area. If I put a coin in the machine it just goes down into the tray.


I'm not really sure what to do here. I haven't read anything about needing to set everything up for it to work. I have a quarter in the coin comparitor and used the set chip to setup correct denomination and activate the DBV. In case lights are out and the comparitor wasn't working I tried putting a dollar in, though it appears something is stopping the bill from going through. I'm not sure though if it's some issue due to the game not being ready to be played or if there's just an issue with the DBV and comparitor and the coin indicator lights are out. Is there a setup routine that tests those or anyone give any other hints on what to do?


Thanks.

[CVslots]

Hs this machine ever operated correctly for you, or is the machine new to you?

[Shaggy]

Door optics? Cash box door?

[Shaggy]

I just tried one of my S+ machines. If I boot it up and don't close the door latch all the way (door optics) it maiden spins and then shows 0 and nothing else. A coin in just falls through. Something to check out. I think the cash door optics will do the same.

[CVslots]

Shaggy - I think you're on to something (as opposed to "on" something, like your ScoobyDoo character may reflect)  ! I was kinda thinking the same thing earlier, but wasn't sure I wanted to go there just yet. I want to know if the machine has ever worked properly in his possession....so many times, a machine is bought , jacked up, that can have who knows what wrong with it! Owners/People WILL AND DO tinker, thinking they are doing a good thing, but only god knows what they REALLY do!


We've had butter knifes down a coin chute to clear a coin jam before (and that was blamed on the grandson, of course), so who REALLY knows what was done to "fix" the machine before it was finally sold...

[rickds]

The machine is new to me (or well, my brother). He bought it from his father in law’s neighbor/friend who was moving. She said she had owned it for many years, but that she hadn’t played with it in a while. I don’t believe she ever messed with the machine other than clearing out the money. At one point she did mess with the comparitor, to get the quarter that was in there as she thought it had gotten jammed but inspecting the comparitor it appears fine and all cables plugged in (though I will give it another look later, it’s a DBV-200, that I know). It was sitting in her living room for a while so I suppose it’s completely possible someone may have messed with it during that time.
 
It’s possible the door optics are the issue, as I’ve fiddled with the cash box door and don’t think it’s the issue. There is a way to temporarily disable the door optics right? I believe I read somewhere a while back about unplugging something, later today I’ll try and check that out.
 
At least he got the machine somewhat cheap, as the lady lived in a smaller town and she really had nothing else to do with the machine since it was displaying the code 12 error for the battery at the time. So it’s not a major loss if we can’t get it working, but we still really hope we can figure it out.

[Shaggy]

There is a posting on Sept. 7 from anit4771 about the door switch. 2 pages of info about door optics etc. Therockinelvis made a great example of how to check alignment for door optics with tape. It's a good read and might give you some pointers that will help. Good luck on your fix.

[rickhunter]

You can see if your optics are even working by using a digital camera with a ccd sensor.  The light glows and pulsates like this when viewed through the viewfinder.

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag116/rickhunter2/Mvi2029-1_zps4cd2a78b.mp4

[therockinelvis]

You said you used the clear/set chips. I am guessing you changed the 9-0 to 9-1 to turn on DBV. Did you set the denomination next? 5, 10, 25, 50 ect. If it doesn't know the value it won't work. With the door open push the white button on the coin comparator then push spin reels to see if it works with door open.

[rickds]

I'm going to need to mess with it some more tomorrow. I can say it's not the door optics, though.


When I would turn the machine on the reels would spin then stop near the 7s then sit there with a 0 on the credits played area. I'd then close the door and that number would disappear shortly and the light would come on for inserting a bill.


After I opened it and closed it again, though, I now have an error 41. I opened the door and closed it again to see if that would clear it, but instead the reels just spin and stop 4 times then give the error 41 again. I'm not really sure why it started as I literally did nothing but open and close the door, I hope it's not a bigger issue, but I don't see why else it would randomly start acting up like that.


I'm definitely not in the mood to mess with it tonight though. It seems like every time one thing is figured out something else pops up.

[therockinelvis]

41 is a reel tilt. Something is touching the reel to make it abnormal. The 1 means it is reel #1. If you don't see anything touching spin by hand with machine off and listen.

[rickds]

I don't see anything touching it and don't hear anything when I spin it by hand. Same with any other reels.


I'm getting busy with other stuff, so the issue might be put on the back burner for a bit, so if I don't reply back sooner I haven't forgotten. Just haven't had time to get back to the machine to mess with it.

[therockinelvis]

Try putting reel 1 in reel 2 to see if problem follows the reel. May just need the plug removed and replaced a few times for a bad connection. You may be able to just switch the plugs from under them or if cable is too short move the reel too. If you then get 42 you know the reel is bad.

[knagl]

When I would turn the machine on the reels would spin then stop near the 7s then sit there with a 0 on the credits played area. I'd then close the door and that number would disappear shortly and the light would come on for inserting a bill.

Your door optics are working properly, based on what you've posted here.


As Elvis said, try swapping reels 1 and 2 to see if the problem follows the reel (in which case you have a bad reel assembly), or stays at 41 (in which case you could have a problem with your MPU board if there isn't anything preventing reel 1 from spinning properly with the door closed).  To remove the reels, turn the power off, then pull down on the molex connector on the underside of the reel shelf (they're a pain to remove most of the tine).  With the molex connector unplugged, pull the bottom plastic of the reel assembly towards you.  I'd remove the first (left) reel, set it aside, then remove the second (middle) reel, put it in the reel 1 position, then put the first one you removed into the middle position.  The machine doesn't know or care if the reels are in the "correct" order -- so long as three reels are connected when it is turned on.  Now see if the error follows the reel (42) or if the machine still thinks the error is on the 1st reel (41).

Check the wires for the fluorescent light that is above the reel glass -- over time the wires seem to get a little stretched, and then sag into the reels (usually the middle one, though) as the door closes.

[rickds]

Sorry for the long delay. My brother got reels 1 and 2 switched and it gave the same 41 error. He ended up looking up some reset thing that involved hitting the test button and turning the jackpot reset key and whatever he did, it's back to the same loop as before. So to restate, turn on the machine and the reels spin and stop at the point where the reel paper is connected (right before the 7's). Coins played shows 0 and the dollar bill light is on as if ready, but no indicator to insert coins. The two lights on top of the machine are on, the top one is solid and the bottom one flashes.


We put a piece of paper to hold the coin diverter open and put a coin in but no change to credits played, while the coin goes into the hopper.


I wish I had as much knowledge about these things as I do computers.

[therockinelvis]

Try this. With the door open look at the coin comparator. You will see a little white button at the very bottom of it. Push that button. It should give you a credit each time you push it. Now with door still open push spin reels and let us know what happens.

[Buzz]

Try this. With the door open look at the coin comparator. You will see a little white button at the very bottom of it. Push that button. It should give you a credit each time you push it. Now with door still open push spin reels and let us know what happens.

Them you must buy your comparators from a different place than I do. I've yet seen a white button on one. 

[coorslight115]

Little button (white or black) is on the optic board just below the comparitor

[therockinelvis]

Sorry Buzz, I just saw my first black button Sunday. Thought normal was white. Not a Racial thing. Saw some boards made in Mexico, expected the sound simm to say Senior'

[rickds]

Alright, when I push the white button (I looked for that button before but never found it, finally did today) it will add credits and the credits accepted light comes on. I hit spin reels and the game plays as normal. Put about 20 quarters into the hopper and hit a 15 credit winner and it correctly counted out the 15 quarters. If I hit a winner that pays more than the hopper the 3300 error pops up and clears when I close the door, then I can open it again and proceed to push the white button to add credits.


When I first turned the machine on today it gave a reel 41 error. Closing/opening the door would sometimes fix it, other times I'd have to switch reels or unplug and plug in the molex connectors. It kept constantly throwing back reel errors, sometimes turning the machine on the reels would stop correctly at the triple 7s then start spinning again only to hit a spot where they'd start/stop then spit back an error (either 43 or 41, never 42). After numerous times of messing with reels 1 and 2 I unplugged all molex plugs and took all three reels out, inspected them and put them back in. I made sure the molex connections were solid when I plugged them back in. Since then I haven't had any major reel errors. Every so often when turning the machine on the reels will stop, but they will either start spinning again and stop correctly or closing the door will fix the issue itself. So I'm holding out hope that at least that issue is resolved.


Thanks to everyone for sticking it out with me. At least we're getting somewhere and we know the machine works correctly. Just for whatever reason it doesn't want me to add coins for credits.