WMS BB1 machines not booting

[newkid3]

Hello all,  I picked up a couple of BB1 machines and had issues with the monitors at first. Now I have both of the monitors working.  I do know there was a battery low issue with the machines when I bought them.
Now when I turn them on they both start booting and then they both will get to a certain point and stop. Then they will stay like that until I turn them off. (See pics)
These are my first WMS BB1 machines.
If the batteries are completely dead will it keep the machine from booting?
Can someone tell what the issue is from the text on the pics?
One machine has a Blue board and the other has a green board.
Do both boards use the same batteries?
Also how many batteries are there in each machine?

After I replace all of the batteries do I have to have a clear card and clear the machine and set it back up?
If I need a clear card what clear card do I need?
I could really use some help on these machines.

I am now a contributing member so I can go download all I can find on the BB1 machines.

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[seadoo10]

Yes, you need to clear after a battery change.  I use this for my BB1
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[newkid3]

I have a 1810 clear card I got when I bought my wife two BB2 machines. I have read that it will work on the BB1 machines also. Do you know if this is true?
I have read that blue" mpu type, they are CR2032's Batteries. If you have the "green" mpu type they are BR2335, although CR2335 will also work.
It looks to me like my green board has batteries in it that end in 30. I dont know if someone used a different battery at some time or what.
It would be nice if the CR2032 would work in both boards since I have some of them.
I have read that the duel screen BB1 machines have a battery in the top box also.
Do you know if the single screen machines have a battery in the top box also?   Thanks

[seadoo10]

I use 2032 batteries ion my green board. Not sure about the blue. I’m not sure if it matters as long as it fits and is 3v. There is a battery in the top box Tee See board box that can be changed.  That also is a 2032

[newkid3]

seadoo10, I have looked in the top box in both of my machines. There is no battery up there that I can see. When you are saying the top box you do mean the one behind the top glass? Both of my machines only have one monitor if that matters. If there is a battery in the top box would you happen to have a pic of where it is located?  I dont want to change the batteries and try a clear and setup until I  know for sure I have changed all of the batteries. Thanks

[seadoo10]

There is only a battery in top if you have dual monitors.

[newkid3]

seadoo10, Thank you very much. That is why I could not find one. Well I am going to try to change the batteries and clear and reset them. I will report back  my progress or problems. Thanks again

[newkid3]

Ok I got Wolverton cleared and setup. I  have been playing it for about 30 minutes. The 2032 batteries work in both color boards. I  got Lucky Lemmings batteries changed. Then I cleared it but when I put the operating card and game card back in. I then turned the machine on and close the door. The machine will start booting but stops at the point in the pic. I tried clearing it a second time and it stopped at same point the second time.

It says
"No such file or directory"
bash-2.05a#
Would this be the operating card or game card being corrupt possibly?
The game card in this Lucky  Lemmings machine is a Sandisk card .
The Wolverton machine has both factory cards.

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[Stayouttadabunker]

Ever notice that this "bash-2.05a#" is oneof the last things you see when using a Clear chip, and then you get that final green screen instructing you to turn off the machine, and remove the card?
Usually it takes a few seconds to get to that last green screen.
I have no doubt you are waiting long enough, because it takes a while to get a camera ready, to take a photo.

I think Files and Directories come from the OS card - when it writes to the HDD.
That would signify a problem with the OS card...or your HDD?
I could be wrong as I've never played with the BB1's..only the BB2's.

Can you swap the OS card with a similar or hgher version?

[newkid3]

Stayouttadabunker, I did get the machine completely cleared and the screen came up (see pic). Then I shut the machine off. Then I removed the clear card and put the operating system card and game card back in.
Then I turned the power on and closed the door. The machine started booting then gets to the  "bash-2.05a#" and stops. It does this after the clear was successful and then trying to boot the game.
I was thinking the HDD would be good because it is going all the way through the clear process with no problem.
The only other operating system and game cards that I have are for my two BB2 machines. I dont know if any of those cards would be compatible with BB1 or not.
Could I take the operating system card and game card out of my BB1 Wolverton (green board)  and put in the Lucky Lemmings cabinet (blue board) to test the HDD?
If I can as long as the Wolverton machine is off and I remove the cards it wont mess anything up like having to clear the Wolverton again and setup again.
I guess what I am asking is will the Wolverton be fine as long as I put the cards back in it before I turn it on the next time.

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[seadoo10]

I believe lucky Lemmings needs OS  SSOS 1440-G1.3 or SSOS 1490-G1.3

[Stayouttadabunker]

You could be right seadoo10.
Take a look at this picture.

Click on photo below to enlarge if needed...>>>

[newkid3]

Stayouttadabunker, what do you mean by "You could right Seadoo."?
Here are the operating card and game card in the Lucky Lemmings. (See pic)
This machine did work with these cards when the previous owner had it. Then she got the battery low error and it set for a few years.
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[jancsi]

I think your game match to your os card.
I ordered fom ebay Lucky Lemmings, and  it has  same OS version as you have.

[Stayouttadabunker]

Stayouttadabunker, what do you mean by "You could right Seadoo."?

Just a typo...I fixed it...I meant to say "You could be right seadoo10."
My laptop is old...keys are stuck, sticking, broken lol 
Three different OS cards we're looking at here lol
Not that much different, but look...>>>

Mine pictured was 1490
newkid3's 14D0
Jansci's 14B0

[newkid3]

Ok I cleared the Lucky Lemmings machine again. (See 1st pic). Then I took the operating system card and game card out of my Wolverton machine and put them in the Lucky Lemmings machine. I turned the machine on and shut the door. It started booting and it stopped at something different this time. It says something about Network cable unplugged at top of screen. At the bottom it says (see pic 2)
IngMgr::StopSys: ingMgr: NV or HD initialization failure.
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The Wolverton cards should work in this cabinet so I am thinking it is not the operating system card or game card.
Any ideas where I should go from here,
I put the Wolverton cards back in its machine and it booted right up.
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[Stayouttadabunker]

NV is Non-Volatile Ram and HD is Hard Drive Init failure.
I'd try re-seating the memory sticks, and maybe un-plugging and re-plugging the hard drive cable?
Are there any onboard batteries low in/around the mpu?

Will the Lemmings software work in the Wolverton cabinet?

[newkid3]

I just put 2 new batteries on the MPU before starting this process. I checked them before installing them and they were both 3.2 volts.
I will have to try the Lucky Lemmings operating system card and game card in the Wolverton cabinet tomorrow. But I am pretty sure the problem with the Lucky Lemmings machine is not the cards or the Wolverton cards would have worked in it.
I might check your suggestions and any other ones I can get before tomorrow before going through all the trouble putting the lucky Lemmings in the Wolverton cabinet.  Any other suggestions  are welcome. Thanks

[Stayouttadabunker]

Good batteries...hmm
Yeah...just swap the software...not the glass...you can put everything back later easier.
We want to see if we can a known-good set of software working in the problem cabinet.
If not, then you know something else is wrong.
All you're doing is running a clear, then swapping is 2 software cards right?

[newkid3]

Yeah all I am doing is just doing a clear and then putting the 2 cards in. The machines have two different size top boxes so I could not swap other stuff without a bunch of work.
Well we might be back to either the operating system card or game card.
I found a post where someone had the same "IngMgr::StopSys: ingMgr: NV or HD initialization failure".
That I got when trying to boot the Wolverton operating system card and game card in the Lucky Lemmings.
His problem ended up being that the batteries were in upside down. Wrong polarity. So I had to go out and check and I am sure they were in wrong. It was kinda dark in the area I was working and the batteries that were in there were smooth on both sides. Most of the coin cell batteries I have seen have the rough golf ball looking surface on the - side.
So when I pulled the first one out I was like ok positive side up. It should be positive side down. Right? Look at pic.
The positive is down and negative up.  I pulled them out until I make sure.
I will have to put them in right and then clear it again and try the Wolverton cards in it again. Then I will see what happens.      Thanks