S+ lights up, reels stiff, but no displays

[Chet]

I'm having the same problem on a IGT Red White and Blue machine I just bought. I have 110 VAC in the power supply but not at the transformer in the power supply. The floresent lights all work, the reels have drag, and the 110 receptical in front has power nothing else happens. Did you get the problem resolved?

[Chet]

Any luck?
My S-Plus was like that when I bought it. I haven't found anything wrong except by the Game Prom chip it looks like C35 has been damaged. I attached a photo.

[Tilt]

You probably should have started a separate thread for your problem Chet, but it looks to me like the leads that used to go to the cap are shorted together and that would be sending the +5VDC straight to ground.  It looks like it has some scorch marks on it too from that.  Cut those leads off so they aren't shorted, check all your fuses, and try it again.  It may have damaged other components on the MPU board.

[a69mopar]

 topic has been split

Thanks,
Wayne

[knagl]

I merged another topic into this thread.

Chet: Welcome to NLG. We've taken your replies to old posts and merged them into this new thread. Please post any information and updates about your machine in this thread to avoid any confusion with unrelated machines and threads.

[Stayouttadabunker]

That glass on top of your Reel chip really needs to be covered up.
A piece of label tape woul be sufficent.
That clear port hole is the UV Erasure glass.....allowing natural light into it erases programming.
Hopefully it hasn't been uncovered very long and kept somewhat hidden in the dark in the cabinet.

The Game Prom looks perfectly covered up with the green label.
However, on the green label, it is written that it is a an SS Reel Prom chip?
If so, it's in the incorrect socket.
It's hard to see...I think someone wrote "SS4247" ?
Can you tell us exactly what is written on that green label?
You may need to get them sent out and checked out.

I circled the glass port you need to get covered up on the Reel Prom.
Click on photo below to enlarge if needed...>>>

[Tilt]

Good eye Bunker.  I was so focused on the cap leads I didn't even notice that he has a reel chip in the Game PROM socket.  I thought the one without the lens covered was the SP chip, but it's a 27C64 and Game PROMs are 27C512s, so it's a REEL chip too and he's missing the game PROM. 

Chet, post a picture of your machine please.  That way we can check your SS chip and tell you what SP chip you need for it.  It appears you have two SS reel chips installed, it won't work that way for sure.  But still fix those cap leads if they're touching like it looks.

[Chet]

Thank you for responding. As best I can read the chip info is: D2764A-2  U6250063S  PGM 12.5V Intel 83.

[Chet]

Sorry only 1 picture posted. A picture of the Machine.

[Tilt]

That's helpful, thanks.  The Reel chip is in the wrong place and it's also the wrong chip for your game.  SS4247 is for a 3CM Double Diamond Deluxe.  The chip in the REEL PROM is the correct size for a reel chip and may be one for your machine. It's not labeled and since your machine won't boot, without an EPROM reader you can't tell what's on it. 

The first thing I recommend you do is send a PM to member RB here on NLG and get a Game and Reel prom for your machine.  I recommend SP731 (Game) and SS6624 (Reel).  SS6624 has a 98.02% payback.  Also get a set and clear chip for it from him too. 

While you're waiting on those remove the short from the cap leads and check the battery voltage.  If it's dead or below 2.8V you might as well replace it now. 

Once you get the correct chips and installed correctly then you can install the board in the machine and see if it boots up.

[Chet]

Yes. The green label has SS4247 hand written on it. I ordered all the chips from RB and we will replace the cap on Monday. I am still concerned about the proper output voltage of the power supply. I will try to test at the motherboard connection for 8-10 VAC and 24Vac. it will be Wed before I have everything in place.

[Chet]

 Update after replacing bad cap, installing correct cips and checking battery and fuses.
  Still not booting up. Still no display. When I hold in the reset by the off and on switch I get a beep. If I hold the reset key outside I can hear the pull handle release and I get the spin reels light. Press or pulling these 4 times spins the reels with out sound and I never hit a pay line. Also the reels stop from right to left. I have no candle at this point to see what it indicates. Not sure which one I need. I did have a steady 7 volts on 1 pin of a 9 or more pin plug I think is for the candle. No LED light on coin meter and no wire going to it.

[Stayouttadabunker]

...When I hold in the reset by the off and on switch I get a beep....

That little white button near your power switch box is called your "Test" switch.
The keyswitch on the outside of the cabinet would be called your "Jackpot Reset" key....or "Reset Key".
Both are momentary switches.

When you hear a "beep" or "ding" after pushing and holding the Test button for a few seconds, is this when you have the Clear chip in?
Something doesn't make sense here, the machine should not "beep" if you have the SP and SS software chips in while pushing the Test button.

Could you remove the topbox glass and take a good photo of your candle connectors?
The candle should only need a 4-pin, 2-row Molex connector.
I don't know what this 9+pin connector is that you're speaking of?

Your machine might have player tracking equipment still in there?
There's not suppose to be any LED lights on any meters.
Please show us a photo of this "coin meter"?
Are you talking about the coin comparitor unit?
There's an LED bulb on that, but it will NOT be on, while the machine door is open.

Go to this link for the NLG Homepage.
Scroll down a little and look on the right hand side of the page.
You will see a bunch of links to S+ terms called "Rick's FAQ".
You need to do some reading as to what is what on your slot machine.
Here's the link...>>>
http://www.newlifegames.net/newbie/


I'm attaching also below, a drawing of the Molex power connector that runs from the power supply to the motherboard.
Set your multimeter to read AC voltage outputs, not DC....if you have, and know how to use one.
Click on photo below to enlarge if needed...>>>

[Chet]

Thanks again for responding. I have a fluke multi meter and know how to use it well. i"ll check the pins out early tomarrow after my midnight shift. meanwhile here are some photos. I did get the bet credit button 3 or 4 times and a spin.

[Stayouttadabunker]

The 4-pin red/yellow/purple/blue harness is for your topbox candle.
It's clearly unplugged from any candle that shold be above it.
The large harness connector is for optional equipment such as progressive displays.

If you can, show me a photo of that small green circuit board laying in the topbox.
That's not supposed to be in there.
The other blue circuit  board in that 1st photo is part of a non-working player's card reading device attached to the font panel.

In the second photo, there's a small white momentary button on the lower circuit board underneath the coin comparitor.
Each press of that "Service Credit" button puts one credit onto the machine up to max bet.
It's basically reserved for tech's to test stuff.

In the 3rd photo you supplied, one can clearly see the little white "Service Credit" button again.
It's next to the red connector for the coin-in circuit board.
The coin-in circuit board is what senses validated coins from the coin comparitor above it and tells the machine to add a credit.

[knagl]

Would you care to post a picture or two of the motherboard area (with the power off, remove the hopper and the MPU board tray and take pictures of the board that the MPU board plugs into)? It's possible a previous owner plugged a harness into the motherboard incorrectly.

[Chet]

Thanks for your all help so far. I've learned alot already. I read the pins on the mother board and foud some differances.
Pin 1 Green/Green had zero volts AC to chassie ground.  Low ohms to chassie
Pin 2 Green/green was also zero volts.  Low ohms to chassie
Pin 3 was 7.83 volts AC to chassie ground.
Pin4 was 9 volts AC to chassie
Pin 5 was 12.88 volts AC to chassie
Pin 6 12.88 volts to chassie.

[Chet]

I had the mother board out to clean it and think I plugged everything back as I received it.
Lots of pictures incloded. The player tracking system is there but not connected to anything.
The white service credit is not working. the BVD cycles on power up. The mother boerd pictures and inside the top.

[jay]

Did you remove your physical meters (coin in/out) and put them back in. If so try removing them and see if there are any changes.

[Chet]

I pressed the Service Credit button on the coin meter and watched the front display to see if it added credits. No change but when I held it in I the 61  1 code to show but only when I continously hold the little white service credit button.
From the P10 on the power supply I get these valtages
Socket 2-3 26VAC
Socket 2-4 13VAC
Socket 3-4 13VAC
Socket 5-6 8VAC
Socket 5-1 9VAC