Moving PE+Slant board to PE+ Upright?

[61Wally]

My PE+ Upright has 1 game,(deuces wild). I’m trying to take a PE+ Slant top board with 5 games in it and  install it in the Upright. The issue that I’m having is with the Bill Validator. Before I swapped boards the Upright accepted All currency except the New $100’S. After installing the slant board in the Upright, I Used My SET038 chip to enable the Validator. Now the Only currency the machine accepts is $1 bills. Is there Something besides my brain that is causing this issue? Possibly the chips that are used on the slant board now going into an Upright? It’s been quite sometime since I’ve worked on these PE+ machines, Any suggestions would be appreciated/helpful.

[61Wally]

So Sorry, The machine has a DBV-200 in it and the board came out of the slant top having a DBV-145 if this information helps Anyone in helping me, TU.

[jay]

Good News .... a PE+ board is a PE+ board.... slant, upright, bar top etc. Actually not sure if there is an etc. LOL

Remember the PE+ and S+ work on credits. Not currency.  If you had a 25c coin in your comparator it registers one credit per quarter dropped. If you had a Nickle or dime, etc ... as long as the coin matched you got a credit. What bills the head accepts is not with the PE+ but with the head itself.

With a bill validator you use the SET chip to tell the machine how many credits to give for a dollar. You could easily tell the bill validator that its a 1c machine and you get 100 credits for a dollar. Even though it uses a quarter as the coin in. The rest of the smarts is in the head itself.

The issue you are having is that the Chip inside the bill validator does not recognise the new money. Your DBV 200 has clearly been "flashed" to understand all the new money.
The DBV145 can't be flashed to accept the new bills. The 145 was obsolete 15years ago, 2 sets of money actually.

The good news is that the transport, cash can etc etc is completely compatible with the 200head. So to swap heads .... its really just swapping it by loosing the thumb screw on each and moving them around.
You might need a duck bill (plastic front piece) for the 200 head if its coming from the slant. That's cosmetic not function.

The power supply for the bill validator also needs to be swapped. The power supply for the 145 and the 200 are 100% pin compatible but the one with the 145 doesn't have enough amps for reliable operation with the 200 head. To look at them - they are very close in appearance but the 200 power supply has Fins and/or vents on it for higher heat dissipation than the one used with the 145.

My advice would be to just get another 200 head with the duck bill - Jim can fix you up.

[knagl]

Before I swapped boards the Upright accepted All currency except the New $100’S. After installing the slant board in the Upright, I Used My SET038 chip to enable the Validator. Now the Only currency the machine accepts is $1 bills. Is there Something besides my brain that is causing this issue?

Chances are that the chips for the Deuces Wild game and the Multi Poker set call for different bill validator protocols. One likely requires ID022, while the other requires ID023.

Because the signal for a $1 bill is very similar in the two protocols, it's often possible to slip a $1 through even if the wrong protocol is in use.

The solution for your issue is to turn the power off to your machine, change the position of DIP switch 10 on the bill validator head to the opposite of what it is currently set to (if it's currently set to on, turn it off, or vice versa), then power your machine back on. The DIP switch bank is on the bottom/underside of the bill validator head.

It should now accept the same bills that it did with the previous game software.

[jay]

Kevin, a 145 head is never going to read the new money.
He has a flashed 200 in one and a 145 in the other.
You will get it reading more than the $1 but colored is out of the question.

[61Wally]

OMG, I was getting a bit nervous about this issue, because I tried 7 different boards in that machine and same results, Only accepting $1 bills. I changed #10 dip switch on the Upright to match the slant tops and it Now accepts everything. TU All for your support. My final upgrade that I want to do, unless it’s something Not feasible, is to now move forward taking out the validator chassis and components and replace that old DBV junk with a WBA, UBA or MARS validator. I didn’t realize that I can substitute One of these devices and have more dependability. Are there any other options/changes that I’m going to come across when doing this?
Should I be starting a New post about this next step? Also I’ve read a few posts and they’re stating that ALL The dip switches should be in the ON mode. By doing that it’s setting the machine up for 50HZ. I’m Not agreeing with that statement.
I would Also like to confirm My math is correct. Setting the machine up for a quarter, and the Maximum allowed on the bill validator is $2500, I would enter 10,000 on the hopper?
There again, Should I be starting New posts or am I OK?

[jay]

You might be a bit confused here.

The denomination your SET on the bill validator is the value that you need to add a credit.
Ie Set the Validator for 0.25 and insert a $1 - you get 4 credits.
Set the Validator for 0.01 and insert a $1 you get 100 credits.
Set the Validator for $5 and you need to insert 5 x $1 bills to get 1 credit
Set the Validator for $5 and insert a $20 you get 4 credits.....
Set the Validator for $2500 and you are putting in 25x$100 bills to get 1 credit.
** IF you have that much scratch laying around to play with this... Count me as suitably impressed.

On the other side of the system you have a Credit Limit, Hopper Limit and these are measured in coins (not value).
So if you were running the machine at $5 per credit ... then typically you would be using a large format coin comparitor CC-33 (not CC-16) and a $5 token .... leaving your hopper maximum at something reasonable like 400 would equate to $2000 worth of $5 tokens. The value for the hopper limit would still be 400.

Hoppers on a PE+ are pretty full at 800 coins.

[61Wally]

You’re absolutely correct, I’m great at math but the way they word some stuff is confusing sometimes. like S2000’S. Enable/Disable a coinless machine. Why don’t they ask allow coins/token, Yes or No!!!
I’m trying to find the best board out of 14 here, They have some different games on them. I’m trying to condense 54 machines down to around 30 in my game room!!!
Any suggestions/thoughts/advice on the UBA swap. I have a bunch of them that have the latest version of US currency updates.
Thx for the help NLG members l

[knagl]

Kevin, a 145 head is never going to read the new money.
He has a flashed 200 in one and a 145 in the other.
You will get it reading more than the $1 but colored is out of the question.

I agree that the 145 is not going to read new money, but he was having an issue with the machine with the 200 in it that went from accepting lots of bills to only accepting $1 bills once the software on the processor board was changed.

The issue was the bill validator protocol on the 200 not being compatible with the different software being used in the machine.

[jay]

Ok so I had it backwards then…

[knagl]

Ok so I had it backwards then…

I think it just got confusing because he had two different machines with two different validators and was switching boards (and the software on them) between the machines.