809 3 Quarter paying double with 3rd coin ONLY

[Samman]

Machine pays PERFECT with 1 or 2 coins played.  On 3rd quarter, all payouts are DOUBLED. I have checked top multipliers and they seem clean and making contact.  Any help appreciated.

[Samman]

Hmmm, no replies as of yet. It appears that my issue may have stumped the forum members. By the way, it is an 809-ZT machine.

[RiseLikeRa]

Sam:
Do you have a set of test cables that you can put your multiplier unit on a bench and watch it operate in real time?  I had the exact same problem with my 809 several years ago.  In order to see the problem I remember using the cables that I bought from a member of NLG and wondering how I could have possibly fixed the game without them. 


It has been about 5 years since I had this problem and honestly I DO NOT recall what the exact issue was.  I DO recall that it was obvious what was wrong once the multiplier was on a stool that I use for testing.


Sorry I cant be of more help.  The mind ain't what it used to be.


Ra

[GOS]

there is an odds disc in feature unit - most likely sticking - not resetting

[RiseLikeRa]

Yes, the odds disc!  IF you have the cables play 2 coins, set up a pay and see what happens.  Then play 3 set up the same pay and see what happens.  I think a screw driver and perhaps a little light oil did the trip for me.


Ra

[Samman]

I took apart odds 3x unit on top. Properly greased and checked all contacts. Still have issue. Sad. I guess I'll have to pay tech to look at it. 

[RiseLikeRa]

Sam

It could be a tooth not catching.  Do you have the extension cables?  They are worth their weight in gold in matters such as you are faced with.


Ra

[Samman]

So, the extension cables are basically two insulated wires with alligator clips at each end? I need explicit instructions, as I'm not a tech. With the unit powered on and the top unit removed, I gather I'm able to power cycle the top unit with the aid of the extension cables and visually observe the actions of the upper unit.  Where do I connect the wires? Not sure if this is something I could do without the expertise that someone like you has.

[GOS]

thought i replied regarding the 3 multiplier being lubed and checked - not the stepup unit - attached is picture of a 809 feature - the stepup on the right side - handles the lights and how many coins played so that the correct mulipler unit is activated.

[RiseLikeRa]

Sam:


i am sorry that a I was not more specific.  The extension cables are 24 or 30 individual wires at least 6' long with the appropriate beau plugs on the end.  You remover your troubled head unit and set it on a bench or stool next to you game.  Then you plug the appropriate end of the extension cable into the head unit and the other end into the beau plugs in you game cabinet.  Now you can set up a 3 coin hit and watch what happens, or does not happen in real time. 


I had a similar problem to yours on an 809 about 5 years back.  It drove me crazy until I had the head unit out.  Then what the issue was became perfectly clear.


I bought my cables form a guy on NLG named Jim.  He was a gentleman and I bought his deluxe set with ALL of the cables needed for ANY Bally EM.  He even made a special Molex extension for my Bally Arrowline since the hopper has an addition set of wires right from the factory.


I will try to post a picture of the cables if possible.  MONEY WELL SPENT if you are going to keep these old machines happy.


My opinion is free and worth every penny


Ra


 

[Samman]

thought i replied regarding the 3 multiplier being lubed and checked - not the stepup unit - attached is picture of a 809 feature - the stepup on the right side - handles the lights and how many coins played so that the correct mulipler unit is activated.

Yes, checked the step up unit on right and cleaned and oiled. But I also took apart the white odds unit (on left of picture with numbers on wheel) as well. Problem now worse. Getting 3 to 4 times normal 3 coin payout.

[Samman]

Sam:


i am sorry that a I was not more specific.  The extension cables are 24 or 30 individual wires at least 6' long with the appropriate beau plugs on the end.  You remover your troubled head unit and set it on a bench or stool next to you game.  Then you plug the appropriate end of the extension cable into the head unit and the other end into the beau plugs in you game cabinet.  Now you can set up a 3 coin hit and watch what happens, or does not happen in real time. 


I had a similar problem to yours on an 809 about 5 years back.  It drove me crazy until I had the head unit out.  Then what the issue was became perfectly clear.


I bought my cables form a guy on NLG named Jim.  He was a gentleman and I bought his deluxe set with ALL of the cables needed for ANY Bally EM.  He even made a special Molex extension for my Bally Arrowline since the hopper has an addition set of wires right from the factory.


I will try to post a picture of the cables if possible.  MONEY WELL SPENT if you are going to keep these old machines happy.


My opinion is free and worth every penny


Ra

I’m sure the extension cable you describe is worth it. Let me run right down to the slot machine store and get it. Lol. Obviously, this is something I cannot make up or buy. I do appreciate your help though.

[Amechanic]

The plugs to build the extension can be bought at K-Lar I believe. They did have both the 18 and 24 pin plugs, not sure if they have any of the 30’s.

[Samman]

The plugs to build the extension can be bought at K-Lar I believe. They did have both the 18 and 24 pin plugs, not sure if they have any of the 30’s.

Outstanding!  Now what is K-Lar ? Can you provide a link? I’m not getting any hits back from Google.

[Amechanic]

They are located under Sponsors on the Home page. You need to go to the parts, Bally Electromechanical. Here’s the link to K-Lar..

https://www.slotmachinerepair.com

[rdaniel]

Sounds to me like your 3X multiplier unit might be defective.

[Samman]

They are located under Sponcers on the Home page. You need to go to the parts, Bally Electromechanical. Here’s the link to K-Lar..

https://www.slotmachinerepair.com

Thank you. I called and left a message with them.

[Samman]

Sounds to me like your 3X multiplier unit might be defective.

Any idea on cost to replace one?

[Amechanic]

They are located under Sponcers on the Home page. You need to go to the parts, Bally Electromechanical. Here’s the link to K-Lar..

https://www.slotmachinerepair.com

Thank you. I called and left a message with them.

You can order right off that web page.

[Samman]

They are located under Sponcers on the Home page. You need to go to the parts, Bally Electromechanical. Here’s the link to K-Lar..

https://www.slotmachinerepair.com

Thank you. I called and left a message with them.

You can order right off that web page.

Site works EXCEPT for the Bally parts section. Anyway, I'll run this issue by Alan and see what his thoughts are.  Maybe best to go with a new 3x multiplier instead of buying electrical plugs and then having to wire them up, only to find that the issue is a bad 3x multiplier.