IGT Double Bonus Poker

[Wzrd0803]

Is there any setting I can do to make it credits only, load a bunch of credits on it and not pay out coins from the hopper when cashing out or if the credits reach the hopper limit?

[knagl]

IGT PE+ machines were designed to be coin-in, coin-out, with the exception of large jackpots.  My advice for home use would be to increase the hopper limit to a very large number (say 3,999 so that a Royal Flush is still a handpay), and swivel out the cherry switch under the "cash out" button to prevent accidental cash-outs.

There was some "key-on credits" software floating around in the wild a while ago.  That modified software would allow you to add and remove credits via the jackpot reset key, but it was not official software to the best of my knowledge.  There were only a handful of games that were modified to do that, too.

[jay]

I concur - disconnect the coin out button, maximize the credit limit, hopper limit.
You can also remove the coin in entry hardware (simple 2 screws) - This takes off the big metal coin entry while still leaving all the internal parts in place so its easy to reverse.
You replace it with a blank plate. All of the S2000 have blank plates and they should fit in the same entry hole.



I would also change the bill validator to 1c - you can leave the machine as a 25c or $1 but by programming the DBV/WBA to be 1c you put on 100 credits for a dollar - quick way to add credits - slip a $5 in and you instantly have 500 credits.


IF you don't want to disable the cashout button - what others have done is to add a serrated disk to their hopper wheel made out of cardboard or a lid from a plastic ice creme pail. 
Just to be clear this serrated disk looks like a fat star fish with short arms.


When the empty hopper runs each of the arms pass through the hopper optics which simulates a coin exiting - with out actually any coins leaving the machine.


The advantage here is if your trying to manage the credits on the machine you can cash out and reduce the number of credits.

[Wzrd0803]

I forgot to mention that I have the multigame chips which I bought from someone on here (the one that has Deuces Wild, Jacks or Better, Double Bonus Poker, Bonus Poker, etc.)  We mostly play the Double Bonus Poker which has different pays for 4 of a kind (4 Aces, 4 9-K, 2-8). Hopper limit is 850 because that is about as many coins I have in the hopper LOL. The Royal is the only one that handpays. Everything else the coins come out of the hopper.


If I increase the hopper limit to something way above 800 (I think 4 Aces pays 800 but I am not near the machine atm to check), will it then go into credits?


Problem is, my dad keeps getting 4 of a kind after 4 of a kind in 1 session, I don't think the machine will go above 999 credits LOL


Jay,
Sadly, mine doesn't have a bill validator

[jay]

There is a credit limit, and a hopper limit.
From a credit limit perspective I think you can go up to 9999


There is also an option to pay to coin or to credit - you obviously want the credit.


[size=78%]If you try and cash out and the credits exceed the hopper limit then the machine will go into a hand pay.[/size]
For instance if you have a hopper limit of 10 and 20 credits on the machine and you hit the cash out button it becomes a hand pay.
You can stop this from occurring by pulling the wire attached to the cash out button.


In your case if your paying to coin, and hit 4 x Aces for 800 and your hopper limit is 250 then it will go to a hand pay.
You want to change it to pay to credits, and you want your credit limit to be 9999, and if you pull the wire to prevent the cash out then it doesn't matter what your hopper limit is.




The second situation is when a user hits a top award it will go into hand pay.
On some games if you keep the top award under $1200 this too can be avoided.
You would do this by making it a 3 coin .25c game vs a 5 coin $1 game.


$1200 is the magic US number for when a W2G must be issued by a casino so you report your winnings. Thats why you see a lot of slots with their top awards being 1199.
If the top award is set to be progressive it will always go into hand pay.

[Wzrd0803]

There is a credit limit, and a hopper limit.
From a credit limit perspective I think you can go up to 9999


There is also an option to pay to coin or to credit - you obviously want the credit.


[size=78%]If you try and cash out and the credits exceed the hopper limit then the machine will go into a hand pay.[/size]
For instance if you have a hopper limit of 10 and 20 credits on the machine and you hit the cash out button it becomes a hand pay.
You can stop this from occurring by pulling the wire attached to the cash out button.


In your case if your paying to coin, and hit 4 x Aces for 800 and your hopper limit is 250 then it will go to a hand pay.
You want to change it to pay to credits, and you want your credit limit to be 9999, and if you pull the wire to prevent the cash out then it doesn't matter what your hopper limit is.




The second situation is when a user hits a top award it will go into hand pay.
On some games if you keep the top award under $1200 this too can be avoided.
You would do this by making it a 3 coin .25c game vs a 5 coin $1 game.


$1200 is the magic US number for when a W2G must be issued by a casino so you report your winnings. Thats why you see a lot of slots with their top awards being 1199.
If the top award is set to be progressive it will always go into hand pay.

My machine pays to credits unless it goes over the hopper limit which is 850, then it pays out in coins automatically.  If I have 849 credits in the machine and I get a pair it would pay out the 5 coins to the tray and I would still have 849 credits in the machine.


So if you pull the cash out wire, it will go to handpay? Or, will put the payout as credits on the machine regardless of hopper limit?

[knagl]

So if you pull the cash out wire, it will go to handpay? Or, will put the payout as credits on the machine regardless of hopper limit?

First, never disconnect the wires from the buttons on a PE+ machine.  The PE+ buttons are wired in series, and if you disconnect a wire from a button, every button after it in the series will stop working.  If you wish to physically disable the cash out button, the suggestion I made above is to remove the cherry switch (micro switch) from the inside of the physical cash out button, which will leave the wires intact on the switch, but will prevent a player pushing the "cash out" button from actually closing the contact on the cherry switch.

Second, from your description it sounds like your hopper limit is set to 850.  Until you change that, coins will continue to get paid out as they currently do.  Also, note, the only way to change that limit is with zero credits on the machine.  If you have any credits, you must play them off or cash out.  All credit related settings must be changed with zero credits on the machine.

To see what your multi-game is capable of, I installed what I think you have in MAME and ran it.  There is only one hopper/credit setting in the software, and that is the "Hopper Size" setting.  I would suggest changing it from 850 to 3999, and then disable the cash out button as I described above to prevent accidental cash outs.  Then, all payouts will go to the credit meter (at least until you get close to the limit of 3999), but a max bet Royal Flush payout (4,000 coins) would be a handpay.  Alternately, you could set the hopper size to 9999, and never have handpays, with all wins going to the credit meter.

[Wzrd0803]

So if you pull the cash out wire, it will go to handpay? Or, will put the payout as credits on the machine regardless of hopper limit?

To see what your multi-game is capable of, I installed what I think you have in MAME and ran it.  There is only one hopper/credit setting in the software, and that is the "Hopper Size" setting.  I would suggest changing it from 850 to 3999, and then disable the cash out button as I described above to prevent accidental cash outs.  Then, all payouts will go to the credit meter (at least until you get close to the limit of 3999), but a max bet Royal Flush payout (4,000 coins) would be a handpay.  Alternately, you could set the hopper size to 9999, and never have handpays, with all wins going to the credit meter.

So basically disconnect the cherry switch and set my hopper limit to 3999 and everything won will go to credits except the royal? (unless of course I have 3999 credits and then get something which will pay that out in coin?)

[knagl]

So basically disconnect the cherry switch and set my hopper limit to 3999 and everything won will go to credits except the royal? (unless of course I have 3999 credits and then get something which will pay that out in coin?)

Correct.  To emphasize, you are just physically separating the cherry switch out from the underside of the Cash Out button (there are little tabs that hold the cherry switch in place).  Leave the wiring connected to the switch, but ensure that pressing the "Cash Out" button on the player panel doesn't activate the cherry switch.  Instead of completely removing the cherry switch from the button assembly, I just swivel mine out a little so that they're still held in place by the button assembly, but the player cannot activate the switch by pressing the button on the player panel.