S2000 Coin comparitor problems.

[dutonP 1955]

Hi erbes how are you? I was wondering if a coin comparator is in a igts2000 is shut off when the slotmachine is shut off
every night will that make my coin comparator not except coin? and if so should I reduce sensitivity or plus it? because I have tried to shut down my machine and unplug the coin comparator to see if that would reset it and it didn't do a thing and also tried removing the nickel and replaced it and that didn't work either. so should I try the above that I asked when I was at the top of my sentence when I asked about reducing or plussing the sensitivity for excepting the nickel.  Thanks dutonp1955.

[jay]

You would reduce for lower sensitivity and more wider acceptance.

[dutonP 1955]

Hi Jay I turned the sensitivity all the way to the
Left to the minus and its still not excepting coins what do I do next? Do I take it out of my  slotmachine and send it to you and you fix it from there?

[jay]

You would not send it to me. I am up in Canada.
Post what city/Town you’re in and there might be a member close.

Do you see the insert coin light on / blinking ? If not the problem is likely not with the coin comparator.

[Stayouttadabunker]

I'm just wondering if your coin-in optics has a nickel or quarter coin encoder?
Because if you're using nickels and there's a quarter encoder, the nickel may not register as it will miss one or two of the coin-in ABC optics.

This "encoder" is  basically a black plastic coin guide, that's sandwiched in between a pair or optic circuit boards underneath the coin comparitor unit.
It guides coins to fall between the optic eyes to send a credit signal to the MPU.

My question is, did YOU SEE this machine work with nickels before?
Also, where do the nickels fall to? Straight down into the coin tray, into the coin hopper, or down into the drop hole that's supposed to be under the machine on the stand?

[dutonP 1955]

Hi I found the black encoder piece your talking about and does it need to be removed from the coin optic board and my slotmachine was converted back to excepting coins by me and I saw it doing fine until the next morning when I turned my slotmachine back on and then it stopped excepting coins. when it was excepting coins at the time I had no coin hopper and had to use a little priority mail freight box to catch the nickels. when it was excepting coins the coins went down into that box but when it stopped excepting coins they went down to the coin tray. and I was wondering if since I managed to disable coinles mode is there a way to disable hand pay so the machine will pay in coin only keeping bill validator acceptor an option and also disable the ticket printer. thanks dutonp1955.

[Stayouttadabunker]

I managed to disable coinles mode is there a way to disable hand pay so the machine will pay in coin only keeping bill validator acceptor an option and also disable the ticket printer. thanks dutonp1955.

You WILL need a coin hopper to "pay in coin only" or you will get an machine error.

[dutonP 1955]

I just bought a coin hopper a week ago and I got it on Saturday so I'm all set in that way so that's a good thing am I ready for disabling the hand pay part of it?

[Stayouttadabunker]

Put one nickel in the coin shelf in between two nibs in the coin hopper at about 12 o'clock....next to it, place a quarter.
Take a photo of the two different coins sitting on the coin shelf in the hopper.
I want to see if the coin hopper shelf wheel is sized for a nickel or a quarter.

Does a quarter fit and slide thru your slot hole on the deck?
Place a sample quarter in the coin comparitor holder.
Does a quarter go all the way thru the slot hole, coin comparitor, coin-in optics to the coin tray?
If so, then your coin-in optics encoder is made for quarters...not nickels.

Nickels being as small as they are, will miss one of the optic eyes an annoyingly amount of times.
Once we figure out what you have, then we can try to re-program your machine the way you want it.

[dutonP 1955]

If a quarter is put into a 5cent coin comparator would it mess the coin comparator up to badly? and forgot to let you know that my coin hopper is a nickle hopper because I ordered it from worldwide gaming if they sound familiar to you? And on Ebay I ordered a 5cent coin comparator and the description said it was a small coin 5cent coin comparator  but do you think they misrepresented it?

[Stayouttadabunker]

I believe they (WWGaming) would have sent you the correct sized hopper.
You should be okay there.
The coin comparitor doesn't really matter because it depends on what sample coin is installed.
The sample coin needs to be the same as the coins you're trying to use.

The black plastic encoder guide sandwiched between the coin-in optics underneath the coin comparitor needs to be the correct one for coin to register as credits to the MPU.
The one you need for nickels has to have a guide wall to direct the nickel towards the optical eyes.
If you have a quarter or .50 cent encoder guide in there, using nickels misses the optical eyes and doesn't always register nickels as a credit.
Take a look at these photos I took for you below and you'll see what I mean.
You can see even the quarter almost misses the three holes in the black plastic for the optical eyes.
Click on any photo to enlarge if needed...>>>

[jay]

Let’s start at the beginning.

On the outside of your machine you have a coin head. It’s the metal bit that you put the coin in. They come in different sizes. One designed for 5c won’t allow a quarter to be dropped in. One for a dime would not let a nickle or quarter to be put in.  Assuming you had one big enough for a dollar it won’t really matter unless you have someone trying to Force dollars into a nickle machine. More a commercial concern than you have at home. This is just a chunk of metal to help guide a coin.

Once the coin is in the machine it hits the coin comparator is either a CC16 or CC33
The 16 is for the small coins (penny,nickle,dime, quarter) and 33 for large format (dollars and larger)
The letter after the cc-16-d (example) specifies the voltage the one you had in your machine and your new one should have the same letter. Putting a coin of the wrong type in simply means rejection and you won’t hurt anything.

Below the coin comparitor is the coin optics there are 3 sensors in there called A B C optics. As the coin passes these optics they need to be triggered in order. This prevents cheats such as someone putting a string on a coin and pulling it back up.  The optic consists of two plates held together by screws and spacers. The spacers and screws need to be set close enough that the coin passes across the optics. If it’s spaced wide then a coin like a dime or nickle might miss one or more of the optics.

So while you might have gotten a new comparitor and hopper it could be that the optics are not spaced right for the size of coin you want to use. Alternatively the letter on your new comparitor is wrong.

So the first thing to do if the letter is not right put your old comparitor back and put in a sample nickle.

Next look at the optics below the comparitor.


 

[dutonP 1955]

so do you think the cc16  on my comparator could be wrong and should I try a quarter and see if it accepts? and if it does is there a way to correct the spacers so it accepts nickles?

[jay]

Yes you can try that.  That would indicate your spacers ste wrong.

Also look at the cc16 and see what letter comes after it.
We want to ensure its compatibility.
Just compare your old cc16 with your new one.

[dutonP 1955]

if I correct the spacers is there a lot that goes into that or is it pretty explanatory?

[jay]

Did you verify if the original cc16 has the same letter after it as the new one ?
- don’t worry about the spacers until you answer that question.

Secondly about 3 or 4 posts back Stayouttadabunker sent pictures of the coin optic opened and where to put the screws and spacers.

[dutonP 1955]

If you don't mind my asking were is the spacers and how do you adjust them to make the coin comparator except nickels?

[jay]

Once again the CoinComparitor and Optics are two different systems in your machine.
At this point we ONLY know your slot is NOT accepting coins.

If it rejects the coin it could be because the coin comparitor says it doesn't match
OR
It could be because the optcs are not detecting the coin passing

Before you start tearing apart your optics changing spacers etc.
I will ask you again. What letter is on your coin comparitor and what letter is your old coin comparitor

One speculation is that the new coin comparitor might NOT be right for your machine.

The CC-16 comes in DC voltages, AC voltages, Inhibit, No-Inhibit, 13v, 24v 40v and all sorts of other combinations.
If you have the wrong comparitor in your machine it won't accept anything. I  put a short list of coin comparitors at the bottom of this post just to show you how many options there are.

The first thing I would try is put your original coin comparitor back in your machine and see if it accepts quarters like it did.
Then I would change the sample coin from a quarter to a nickle and see if that works. 
You might not need to touch your optics at all.

If the quarters work but not nickles then we can look at your optics.


Table of CC-16 models:

CC-16 13volt Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .05¢/.25¢ IGT p/n 57018491 CMI p/n 66160177
CC-16 13volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $1 IGT p/n 57021191 CMI p/n 66160179
CC-16 13volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. .50¢ IGT p/n 57018791 CMI p/n 66160181
CC-16 24volt No Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .05¢/.25¢ IGT p/n 57018991 CMI p/n 66160186
CC-16 24volt No Inhibit 14gram U.S. .50¢ IGT p/n 57018891 CMI p/n 66160185
CC-32 13volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $1 IGT p/n 57026791 CMI p/n 66320004
CC-33 24volt No Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $1 IGT p/n 57026891 CMI p/n 66330035
CC-36 13volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $5 + IGT p/n 57027290 CMI p/n 66360004
CC-37 24volt No Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $5 + IGT p/n 57026990 CMI p/n 66370011
- ARISTOCRAT TECHNOLOGIES, INC.
CC-62 12volt Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .25¢ Aristocrat p/n L00020 CMI p/n 66620010
MC-62 12volt Inhibit 6gram U.S. .25¢ Aristocrat p/n L30500 CMI p/n 66460011
MC-62 12volt Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .05¢ Aristocrat p/n 07-40273 CMI p/n 66460280
MC-62 12volt Inhibit 4gram U.S. .25¢ Aristocrat p/n 07-40274 CMI p/n 66460281
MC-62 12volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. $1 Aristocrat p/n 07-40275 CMI p/n 66460282
MC-62 12volt Inhibit 12gram U.S. .50¢ Aristocrat p/n 07-40276 CMI p/n 66460283
- ATRONIC AMERICA
CC-16 12volt No Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .05¢/.25¢ Atronic p/n 65010443 CMI p/n 66160059
CC-16 12volt No Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $1 Atronic p/n 65010444 CMI p/n 66160115
CC-16 12volt No Inhibit 12gram Australian $1 Atronic p/n 65006153 CMI p/n 66160130
- SIGMA GAME, INC.
CC-16 12volt Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .05¢/.25¢ Sigma p/n 590009 CMI p/n 66160044
CC-16 12volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $1 Sigma p/n 590018 CMI p/n 66160117
CC-16WB 12volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $5 + Sigma p/n 590012 CMI p/n 66160134
MC-16 12volt Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .05¢ Sigma p/n 150029 CMI p/n 66460076
MC-16 12volt Inhibit 6gram U.S. .25¢ Sigma p/n 150030 CMI p/n 66460078
MC-16 12volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $1 Sigma p/n 150031 CMI p/n 66460080
MC-16WB 12volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $5 + Sigma p/n CMI p/n 66460084
MC-40 12volt Inhibit 6gram U.S. .25¢ Sigma p/n 150036 CMI p/n 66460088
MC-40 12volt Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .05¢ Sigma p/n 150037 CMI p/n 66460090
MC-40 12volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $1 Sigma p/n 150038 CMI p/n 66460092
MC-40WB 12volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $5 + Sigma p/n 150057 CMI p/n 66460189
- BALLY GAMING, INC.
CC-16 24volt No Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .05¢/.25¢ Bally p/n E-887-0201 CMI p/n 66160047
CC-16WB 24volt No Inh 14gram U.S. Casino $5 + Bally p/n E-887-0202 CMI p/n 66160055
CC-16 24volt No Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $1 Bally p/n E-887-0203 CMI p/n 66160056
CC-62 12volt Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .25¢ Bally p/n AS-5001-0100 CMI p/n 66620003
MC-62 12volt Inhibit 6gram U.S. .25¢ Bally p/n E-887-4601 CMI p/n 66460011
MC-62 12volt Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .05¢ Bally p/n E-887-4606 CMI p/n 66460065
MC-16OE 24volt Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .05¢ Bally p/n E-887-6002 CMI p/n 66460152
MC-16OE 24volt Inhibit 6gram U.S. .25¢ Bally p/n E-887-6004 CMI p/n 66460069
MC-16OE 24volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $1 Bally p/n E-887-6005 CMI p/n 66460154
MC-16OE WB 24volt Inh 14gram U.S. Casino $5 + Bally p/n E-887-6006 CMI p/n 66460155
- WMS GAMING, INC.
CC-16 12volt Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .05¢ WMS p/n 09-42000-1 CMI p/n 66160120
CC-16 12volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $1 WMS p/n 09-42000-2 CMI p/n 66160116
CC-16 12volt Inhibit 6gram U.S. .25¢ WMS p/n 09-42000-3 CMI p/n 66160118
CC-16 12volt Inhibit 6gram U.S. .50¢ WMS p/n 09-42000-6 CMI p/n 66160142
MC-40 12volt Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .05¢ WMS p/n 09-006832-01 CMI p/n 66460200
MC-40 12volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $1 WMS p/n 09-006832-02 CMI p/n 66460202
MC-40 12volt Inhibit 4gram U.S. .25¢ WMS p/n 09-006832-06 CMI p/n 66460201
MC-40 12volt Inhibit 12gram U.S. .50¢ WMS p/n 09-006832-11 CMI p/n 66460206
MC-40WB 12volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $5 + WMS p/n 09-006832-13 CMI p/n 66460209

[sixcardmark]

Great info Jay.  This should be a sticky if it's not already. 

[dutonP 1955]

Hi Jay I want to let you know that the coin comparator I bought was the new one I was talking about and that was the very first one I bought for my slotmachine it never came with one and I put the first new coin comparator I told you about in there that slotmachine came to me coinles and I am trying to convert it back to being coin operated I have a idea if it works anyway since my bally1993 s5500 doesn't work but just lights up I could try to put that coin comparator in my igt since they are both cc16 13vlt and if I'm correct those are both DC.but just to be sure I'll check the other 2 letters on those tomorrow morning and let you know thanks.