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Re: S2000 vision msverify comm error
« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2016, 10:45:07 AM »
Aren't there 2 rows of 5 pins? I'm at work right now so it's not in front of me. I'll chime back in later when I get home. Plus, all these customer's keep interrupting!  :24:
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Re: S2000 vision msverify comm error
« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2016, 11:00:00 AM »
yes...there is. My arrows I drew could only show you 5...lol

Anyways, I took my topbox out of storage and found that I left my connector I made 6 years ago still on it!
I had only used the 2 top and 2 bottom leftmost pins to hook it up to the keyboard.
I used 4 wires from a ribbon cable going into a 10-pin black plastic housing.

Now what I mean by "leftmost pins" is the 4 pins closest to the "AUX" and "VGA" header connections.
I used 2 on the top row and 2 on the bottom row.
It's too bad I had never marked anything on the ribbon cable I made.
I think I had this used as a short extension to run out a different hole of the topbox unit so I could plug my keyboard into it.
When you close the topbox computer unit into the holding bracket, the holes for the plugs got blocked.
So I must of ran it a different way to clear the LCD holding bracket.
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Re: S2000 vision msverify comm error
« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2016, 11:12:15 AM »
yep...I did! Haha!
First picture shows the little extension I made going from the board to the back of the cover...I had made a hole in the cover to fit my plastic 4-pin housing.
The second picture shows the housing exiting the back of the topbox LCD unit cover.
That's where I plugged my keyboard into when I played with it.

It's too bad I didn't put a male DIN pin header there!!!! UGH!
We would of found out which pins was which!
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Re: S2000 vision msverify comm error
« Reply #43 on: November 14, 2016, 12:56:37 PM »
That's awesome! Well, I can at least find positive and negative, then I'm down to 2 wires. Shouldn't be too bad.
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Re: S2000 vision msverify comm error
« Reply #44 on: November 14, 2016, 03:05:09 PM »
My S2000 is stored away right now, wish I had it up and going.
I'd multimeter some pins for ya and find out!  :yes:
Maybe some hearty soul can stick a multimeter in that header and see what's what on those 1st four pins?  :Tongue_Out:
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Re: S2000 vision msverify comm error
« Reply #45 on: November 14, 2016, 04:24:16 PM »
You actually don't need the machine to boot up the vision LCD. A standard PC power supply will suffice. Just plug the old school IDE power connector in as seen in the pic. You have to jump the two connection on the power supply main harness to turn it on as seen in the second pic. I'll be playing around with it and keep you in the loop. This is an extra screen with some damage on the LCD so no lost play time on any of my visions.
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Re: S2000 vision msverify comm error
« Reply #46 on: November 14, 2016, 05:33:18 PM »
Oh yeah...I actually did that before to power up something.
The jumper cable acts like as if a switch is "ON".
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Re: S2000 vision msverify comm error
« Reply #47 on: November 14, 2016, 05:40:25 PM »
OK Guy's, I'm following this and don't understand what good a keyboard is. I have been under the idea that everything comes from the data card. Are you able to change the card like this? Add extra files or what?
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Re: S2000 vision msverify comm error
« Reply #48 on: November 14, 2016, 05:54:35 PM »
Well that's just it, my friend. I can't know until I get in. Based on the fact that it's simply a Windows 95 (and DOS) operating system, I can change a lot. I just want to get in there and play. See what I can/cannot do.
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Re: S2000 vision msverify comm error
« Reply #49 on: November 14, 2016, 06:01:09 PM »
I got it running....checking the 4 pin-outs on the LCD computer for the keyboard as we type...
Made a little video just now...lol

https://youtu.be/H2S8DuTBtgg
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Re: S2000 vision msverify comm error
« Reply #50 on: November 14, 2016, 06:49:50 PM »
I think that I like you, Bunker! You dive right into a challenge. It's not always why but, what if...
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Re: S2000 vision msverify comm error
« Reply #51 on: November 14, 2016, 06:54:32 PM »
Okay...making progress...

I get 5vdc out of the top 2 pins on the left side of the header from the LCD computer!

My multimeter shows the 1st top leftmost pin as 5vdc while the pin next to it is the ground. (-)

That means the bottom 2 pins on the leftmost side (closest to the AUX header) of that "KBD" header is for the keyboards' key data & clock!
Only old keyboard I have on hand is an old USB keyboard.
I gotta hack a USB keyboard plug now... :24:
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Re: S2000 vision msverify comm error
« Reply #52 on: November 14, 2016, 07:30:33 PM »
You also get 5v from the top and bottom in the second column. If you look at this pic it seems to follow + and - being in the second column. However, mine did not work either way. Getting late....work tomorrow.
I know that the pic is a 5 pin but I cross referenced the wires to make sure they were the same.
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Re: S2000 vision msverify comm error
« Reply #53 on: November 14, 2016, 07:36:54 PM »
I agree...but at least we know it's some sort of a combo with those 4 pins....well, 3 really.
I'm guessing the 2nd pin on the bottom row is the 5v +data pin.
The 1st pin on the bottom row might be the clock pin (-data pin) ?

I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.
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Re: S2000 vision msverify comm error
« Reply #54 on: November 14, 2016, 07:44:26 PM »
Quote from: therockinelvis on November 14, 2016, 05:40:25 PM
OK Guy's, I'm following this and don't understand what good a keyboard is. I have been under the idea that everything comes from the data card. Are you able to change the card like this? Add extra files or what?


Technically, you could change the card on your PC. For instance, maybe if you loaded a .bmp file of similar size where one of the "good luck" .bmp files were, it could possibly show up instead. I haven't tried it but in theory it seems like it would work. Just playing around while waiting for parts for my other project...
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Re: S2000 vision msverify comm error
« Reply #55 on: November 14, 2016, 08:33:17 PM »
"Technically, you could change the card on your PC. For instance, maybe if you loaded a .bmp file of similar size where one of the "good luck" .bmp files were, it could possibly show up instead. I haven't tried it but in theory it seems like it would work. Just playing around while waiting for parts for my other project..."


Ohh! That's what you wanted to do?
I once changed the .snd files for the cash-out sound file of an ATA San Disk card to a
similar sized cropped .mpeg file of the Beverly Hillbillies theme ending sound "Y'all Come Back Now!"  :rotfl:
As I recall, all I did was change the file name from .mpeg to .snd or whatever IGT is naming their Vision sound files.
It's been a while since I've changed one....lol

Luckily I still had a computer that could read those old ATA photo memory cards and
changed various sound files at random.
I had never really thought of changing the .bmp files tho? Awessome!!  :cool_thumb_up:
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Re: S2000 vision msverify comm error
« Reply #56 on: November 14, 2016, 08:53:41 PM »
That was just an example of what could be done in order to answer Jim's question. Getting into the operating system I was more thinking of creating a custom boot load screen and audio file. It would play every time the LCD boots. I saw a version of it on youtube and my brain went to churning....
No luck on the keyboard tonight. My wife just had surgery so I'm off to care for her. Then it's bed for me. Let me know if you come up with anything.
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Re: S2000 vision msverify comm error
« Reply #57 on: November 16, 2016, 06:21:33 PM »
Tried again tonight....no luck :banghead:
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Re: S2000 vision msverify comm error
« Reply #58 on: November 16, 2016, 08:03:01 PM »
Yeah...need schematics of that Vision LCD circuit board...I'm pulling mine out when I get a chance...try to trace the traces from the pins back onto the circuit board.

I'm really wishing I kept notes on this...lol

Upon pulling out board, this is what I have....>>>

Made by RadiSys in 1999.
Etched on the bottom of the circuit board are the numbers: MCB 60-0329-05 but
there is a sticker on top that has numbers: 61-0753-50 MCB
 
The 10-pin KBD/MS header at location [H7]
The nearby "AUX" header is located [H6] and next to that is the "VGA" header is located at [H5]
We know "KBD/MS" is abbreviated for Keyboard/Mouse".
We only know that my extension ribbon cable for the keyboard that I left on it from six years ago used only pins 7, 8, 9, 10.
I am certain that pin 10 closest to the edge of the circuit board is the ground (-) pin.
Pins 7, 8, and 9 put out 5vdc when paired up with pin 10.
All four pins have a board trace going to some sort of a small IC component on the top side of the circuit board.
On the bottom side of the circuit board, only pins 7, 8, and 9 have a small trace running from them.
Only pin 10 doesn't have any trace on the bottom side - that's why I think it's the ground pin (-) ?

I am also certain that a mouse can be connected to some or all of the other
remaining six pins somewhere from pins 1-6 but I've NEVER seen anyone do it.

So basically, to try to hook up the keyboard, we're left with three pins: 7, 8, and 9 for the DATA, CLOCK, and VCC.
That's about 24 different pin combinations? I'm on it!!  :arrowthruhead:
I did it before, and I'll do it again! haha!

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Re: S2000 vision msverify comm error
« Reply #59 on: November 17, 2016, 09:50:44 AM »
No luck...I tried all 24 combos....took almost two hours!  :hissyfit:
I'm trying a UBS keyboard.
All I get is the three LED's to light up (NUM lock, Caps lock, Scroll lock) but
the keyboard won't respond when pressing the [F2] key to enter setup.
I may have to find an older DIN version? I don't know... :Scratch-Head:
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