Barcrest Phoenix Gold

[scratchee35]

just bought this very sweet machine...works great...EXCEPT...3 issues...the red centered arrows do not show up...the sound is there, just no moving red arrows, and the top money icons do not light up when a red arrow lands and the led's on each side *1 5digit and 1 2digit* displays do not light up correctly....im hoping this picture shows what i am trying to get across

again, the machine works perfect except for the lights and the digital readouts...all of the lower box stuff works perfect along with the sounds the top box makes in the bonus round

if anyone has any info, it is greatly appreciated

thanks!!!

Steve

[TODSZX]

Hi Steve,

I just got an IGT Phoenix Gold Barcrest last Sunday with the exact same problem.
Mine was a poor connection between the power supply and the connector plug located behind the reels.

With the power off of course.
I needed to slide out the 3 reels to get to it.
Noticed the single tightening screw was loose.
It was specifically the two top pins in the plug.
They were the ones where I detected some electrical arcing.

Used a very tiny bit of anti-oxidizing compound on the pins.
carefully slid the power supply into it's connector.
Tightened the end screw and replaced the reels.
Turned on the power and shut the door.

I'm always amazed when stuff like this works.
Hope your machine works too.
It's a ton of fun.
Later,

Todd

[scratchee35]

Todd

Thank you for this info...I will look at mine..do you have a power supply in the top box also or just in the bottom?

My machine was made in 1/07

Mine has them in both places and I did notice where the plug in top is browned probably from arching also but. Have checked the voltages and all seemed ok

I can't get to the machine until Saturday but ill follow up with you of what I find

Any other suggestions are always welcomed

Thanks again!!!

Steve

[mvco]

Same thing happened to me, except it was a Barcrest Double Triple Deluxe With Cheese.  All my top box lighting was out.  The problem was a burned up connector to the power supply in the top box.  Where you see that connector is browning, I bet your problem is there.  I thought also that it was okay after measuring voltage, but turns out it mst have been the ground return portion losing connection.  Anyway, I replaced the power supply and connector, a PITA, but it's been perfect since.  I suppose you could also fix it with a hack job of cutting the wires at the connector and soldering them directly to the power supply, but then changing that power supply would be a bitch down the road.

[TODSZX]

A power supply in the top box?
Yikes......I'll have to check.

My machine came from Planet Hollywood so it's encased in this red leather.
The top box glass is tightly fit in place due to the leather.

I'll have to carefully wiggle the glass out and check.
It's working good right now but not wanting it to short out in the future.

A very sweet machine but it is nearly 7 feet tall.
Would be great with taller ceilings.
I hope you get yours working Steve.

Later,
Todd

[777sizzler]

The things sat in casinos for years getting burnt up. There are still many out there, Not much here as far as old school barcrest in our casinos-Just newer cutting edge stuff and some old s-2k dino's which I tear up- .  I do have a Brand new top glass left for Phoenix for the future if someone needs.  Had the whole kit but sold it about a year ago.  I really did not think the game was that fun--Just my opinion.

[scratchee35]

Todd....

Please dont even think about taking yours apart if its that tight..its not that bigof a deal...I know 2 other machinesboutbthereband ony line has the 2nd supply...I've swapped the power supplies with a known working one so in gonna gave to seriously look at the harness..I wont be soldering the wires but ill have the harness rebuilt

I'll update you in the next few days

Thanks again!!!

Steve

[scratchee35]

update, not a good up date but atleast an update....i had 2 harnesses built for the top box and replaced them...i replaced both power supplies with known working ones...same issue...im really starting to believe that it is the green circuit board on the back of the machine...im going to have it tested with a known working machine next week to see if it really is the issue...will keep you all posted

thanks again for all the info so far on this topic

S

[scratchee35]

another update...even worse than the last one...
green board and small wire harness was installed into a known working  phoenix gold machine...pretty close to the same issue on that machine when it started up..main differences are that both left and right led segments light up to show an 8 in each one..it only showed 8's on 5 of the 7 on mine, and, the leds are scattered out on, all were lit on mine...other than that, machine played perfect...still no moving arrow in the center and the dollar bills did flash on the wins.

putting the original parts back into the working machine, the machine was a mess...error codes and dead top...of course panic set in...machine was turned back off, fuse removed and checked...good fuse...put it back in...started machine up and its working perfect as it did before putting my parts in..this test was done 2 times...same results top box dead until the fuse was pulled and put back in...

any new ideas or suggestions??? any will be helpfull

ive called 2 slot part dealers...no green circuit board available...

thanks!!!

S

[777sizzler]

That has always been the problem with these.  The top box modules on various diff. types and themes are all diff. and these days there is not enough spare parts available to support them.  They ask big bucks for most of these but when they are broke 9/10 you are SOL.  Most old veterans over the years put up spares for their barcrest in anticipation of failures.   Many of the barcrest themes were fun while in casinos so they seen very heavy play and usage and to this date some still have them in their casinos-lights out etc. patrons still play them. I do not have the part or I would offer it to you so you could fix your game. It is probably just a surface mount componet on the board that failed but identifing which one-?

[scratchee35]

I understand and it makes sense and im not blaming the seller, in any way, as i tried the machine and it worked great, except i had not hit the bonus round to make sure that part worked...i just assumed...and well an expensive lesson learned...

i am hoping that someone will either have access to parts from igt/barcrest and let me know or have a dead machine just waiting for someone like me to be looking for it

worse case is i part the stuff out to who might already have the game, and like you said, want to gather parts for their machines failures...i cant afford to have non complete game in my casino

thanks!!!

S

[777sizzler]

Steve, The netplex part of the green board in top module is Working or you would not be able to play it.  Is your display ok? Luckily you have a farily simple barcrest -some are more complicated with aux. vfd's and top modules.

[scratchee35]

if you look at my picture in the first post, you can see the displays...no they are not showing correctly...when i do the segment test, they all work *shows 8's*, so i believe they work correctly on both the 5 on the left side and 2 on the right...

the only differences noted when my board into a working machine, the segments all show up as 8's from start up and they should not be lit at all until the bonus round is hit...the machine plays perfect except for the moving arrows, led segments and the top dollar amounts...the next two pics show what happens to the machine after my board is removed, and the working one put back in..notice the segments displays what looks to be an error code..and the led's are out all over the place, including the ones behind the dollar bills at the top....the top is virtually dead..the only way to make the machine work after this, is to remove the fuse in the top box that is positioned right above the green board

if that doesnt make sense and ill try to explain better or maybe even a phone call would help

thanks!!!

Steve

[scratchee35]

one of the things that was noticed by bill was, his machine has a wire connecting the front and back boards from the solder points of the connectors..you can see that wire in the pictures, one shows the front and the other is the back of the top...my machine does not have that...never did from what i can tell..the solder points on my machine are to exact the others...no clue why his machine has that jumper but i dont think i want to try to install a jumper on mine..i can do a test with some test leads if anyone thinks that might be an issue

thanks!!!

Steve

[777sizzler]

Steve,  I don't have a schematic on this one.  The wire jumper looks to be a end around repair from rear to front board for power.  You can seperate this whole top module and look for burn spots and loose/cold solder joints.  Again I think your main green board is net-plexing and doing what it should.  Displays can cause this error and they are soldered into the module in segments. Looks like a main module problem and not the green control board in my opinion.

[scratchee35]

you are right, nothing seems to be wrong with the board...as you are not going to believe this....bill was tinkering with his machine and my board this morning...just for s&g's, he put my board back into his machine and it started up exactly like it is supposed to be...the 5 and 2 segment displays were off, not some scrambled mess or error code like before...so he played it until he hit the bonus and it worked perfect!!!  the arrow was there and it spun, the bills at the top flashed, the segments displayed exactly like they were supposed to...

he put his board back in, and it also worked perfect, not the dead top box until he removed and reinstalled the fuse. like the last 3 times he did it..he played till he hit the bonus and it worked perfect also....then, finally, one last time, he put my board back in, and its perfect....he boxed the module and harness back up and i should have it in 3 days!!!  he reinstalled his board, played, hit the bonus and it too is perfect again...closed up his top and done

now...the real test is when i get this board back in a few days....i am wondering if the info on the card got jumbled or hell..i have no idea of what could been wrong but am hoping for the best in a few days

i will keep you posted as it will go in my machine as soon as i get it back from the usps.

thanks!!!

Steve

[scratchee35]

not a good update...i got the board back today...put it in...the same issue that i had before i sent the board out, which now, we know that it apparently isnt the board because it worked in different machine...

i really need to vent and  describe what im feeling right now, but since this is a family board, i wont say it..anyways...

i have key chipped the machine 5 times with both chips...have programmed the machine the way that i normally do...i  have tested the top box leds and the 5 segments all work as they all show 8's on the test

anyone have any suggestions?  feel free to call me!!!

thanks!!!

Steve

[cowboygames]

If it works fine in a different machine but not yours maybe you have an issue with your MPU, wiring harness or chip set

[scratchee35]

thought the same thing but when the board was put in a different machine, it was really screwed up to...he managed to get it working the way its supposed to be...the game works perfect...all except for the bonus game part where the top is supposed to light up and look like its turning and the award amounts dont show up

[777sizzler]

Where are you at with this now?.  Evident that you have a base /core machine issue now.