ok 1st of all i would like to give a big shout out to pete ( aka brokern ticker ) so to everyone that has ever beat there head up against the wall on a 61 loop that you could not ram clear and the white reset button would not bring it off of 61, so here is what i did and than pete really fixed the problem , so had a splus with 61 loop, did everything i could think of , ram cleared, , came up with 61 white reset button did nothing on the 61 but did work in ram clear mode so i knew my white button next to the power switch was good, so on to the next step , replaced cpu with known good working cpu , same problem ,, so on to the next checked all the wires from reset to cpu cage , everything good check all wires to mother board all good there also, so replaced the mother board same issue 61 lock , so got talking to pete and he said to unplug the door optics , and bam it worked , so than i plug back in the optics and right back into 61 lock , so i unplugged the optics on the cabinet side and bam it works so it all came down to a bad optics on the cabinet side , replaced the optics on the cabinet side and all is good , it was thinking the door was closed that is why it was locked in the 61 code ,thought this would save a bunch of time for someone , just dont grap a set of bad optics like i did the 1st time , they are now in the trash . thanks again pete aka brokenticker ,