Need Help Fixing: Bally v8000 GameMagic Door Open Battery Tilt

[mrSidX]

Hello guys,

I am new here and I do apologize ahead of time if this topic has been covered already, though I do not see a solution/informaion easily available.

I am trying to clear an error on the Bally v8000 GameMagic,  Tilt errors:  Door Open, Battery Tilt

I had recently acquired the machine from a local who gave it away, and I was able to clear a a few issues that she couldn't, but then I come across these final hurdles. I replaced a fresh battery, but would like to confirm whether it's ok with 1.5v or need 3.5?

The door optics are giving me a big issue, as after I got the machine, I did notice the optic sensor (not the door's ir) was broken from it's leads and I managed to order a new one.  I have no idea how it wires up, and I'm not too familiar with the components.
There is a signal though that is read from the doors ir, which was tested to get 20~v to the door sensor, and the one inside thats connected to the PC is giving a pulsy signal of around 5v

IDK I've tried all kinds of combinations, but I do know I havn't turned the side key after each trial.. Is anyone familar with fixing these issues?

I just hope I can find some viable feedback before I exhaust all my process of elimination!


Thank you anyone for your help!

[rokgpsman]

Others more experienced will comment but the battery on slot machines is usually 3.0v or larger, with 3.6v the most common type. What was the old battery voltage, it should be written on the side of it? If you are not certain you can post a picture of the board it came off of or a picture of the old battery.

*** Edit typo, battery voltage  ***

[mrSidX]

Thank you very much for your reply...

Come to think of it, I did happen to replace it with a 1.5v lithy.  I will have to get a new 3.5v and try that ... hopefully that clears the battery issue...

[rokgpsman]

Hold on, why not make sure what type of battery is actually needed? Do you still have the old one? If not give others here a chance to say for sure what voltage battery is needed. Unless it is real easy to change and you just want to get on with it.


PS> I typo'd my first comment, should have said 3.6v.

[mrSidX]

There was no battery when I got the machine.

[rokgpsman]

I see, well I'm pretty sure it should be a 3.6v battery. See the example photo below, if the battery holder on your board looks like this it is a 3.6v. They are the same physical size as a AA battery. The batteries shown are a popular brand but several companies make them.

Is this the Bally model that uses a cd rom drive for software during game play?

PS> Welcome to NLG, here are a couple of NLG forum areas for similar machines, in case you didn't find them. Should be lots of info there:

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?board=60.0


http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?board=61.0

[rokgpsman]

Here's a Bally Game Magic manual to maybe help you get familiar with the machine. It doesn't cover everything but might be useful.

[CVslots]

Rokgpsman is correct, the battery MUST be higher voltage, 3.0v or 3.6v (whichever you find). You will not be able to proceed with much until that battery is replaced. You may need to perform a Clear, but lets hope not. If the battery is low, you can get wacky errors and you will be chasing your tail. Once the battery is replaced, let us know what errors you are left with.

GameMagics were not widely produced, so you will not find a ton of info on them. They are very similar in many ways to a GameMaker or EVO, and i believe many of the cabinet parts (like the door optics) will be interchangeable. I would suggest cruising the GameMaker and EVO forum threads for info.

Oh and you can turn the key on the side, you won't hurt anything...

[mrSidX]

Thank you guys for your quick replies,

I have a battery on the way via online ordering,

ironically, I was in Dynasty Games talking with I think one of the younger sales guys and was told you can pick up a battery at Walmart. Skeptical, I tried to find one, but of course there were no 3.6v batteries apart from the normal. I hould have known better before wasting my time at walmart.

Anyhow, once I get the battery put in, I will see what I can resolve and report back.


As far as the sensor wiring, I tried with little success to find another post that covers optical wiring.



The cabinets optic leads broke clean off from the wiring so I ordered anew.
I picked up another GE L14G3 INFARED EMITTING LED TO-46 NOS! GAAS and need to wire it back to the cabinet optical harness. There is a 1v-5v~ pulsing signal that is coming from the wires that are coming from the PC, these are the wires for the cabinet optical sensor, and I wish I knew the wiring for the Collector and Emitter, because I am sure you need the correct polarity...
Looks like I need to brush up on my understanding of phototransistors and optics   


thanks guys

[CVslots]

Do the door optics look like these?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BALLY-6000-DOOR-OPTICS-/160721919965


As for the battery, the tech wasn't entirely incorrect. The coin type batteries (2032 I think) can be found at some retail places, as they have other uses as well. I have never seen a 3.6v lithium barrel type battery in a retail store, but haven't looked really. If you have a Batteries Plus store near you, they would have them, and will even solder them on the board for you.

[mrSidX]

Awesome,

Thanks for the info, and somehow I didn't see your link till now.

The optics sensors are similar to these in the link:
(also attached as  jpg file)


http://www.ebay.com/itm/IGT-Slot-Machine-Door-Optics-Send-Receive-Electronic-Eyes/261850565052?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D30084%26meid%3D80fd84e15c8e402eb0cb54a9bd46e543%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D371293962352&rt=nc


These IGT ones with the brackets are almost identical looking... Although I don't know if they are identical sensors as my machine or not. The door sensor looks identical with the (insert technical name here) white plastic connector piece, which connects to the wiring from the door, which is getting high to low fluctuating voltage of 20v or so, which I assume is the signal for the other optic to read?
I need to brush up on my electronics ...

Anyways, I did order 2 new Xeno batteries, so it's just a matter of time before they come. There are some batteries plus store around town.. The board is fitted with a battery "nest" for easy swap, but just in case, I am more than capable of soldering if needed.



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