IGT P E Plus questions

[bally bob]

Came across an IGT video poker machine. Says Players Edge and Draw Poker on the glass. Has riveted metal ID tag on side, but has a metallic ID sticker tag over the top. Says model number B1070C, descp. P E Plus. Question is since it has the additional tag over the original is this a reconditioned machine or is that normal? Is the model correct for the original machine? Are there manuals available for service and repair?  Any information appreciated. Thanks

[CVslots]

The second tag does not signify anything. I've seen it on quite a few of our older machines. Model number seems normal. The machines of this platform are not referred to by their exact model number, but simply by the platform name "PE+".

The manual for your machine is found in the NLG File System (for contributing members) or maybe just Goggle "IGT PE+ manual".

[jay]

PE (Players Edge) had no bill validators
PE+ (Players Edge plus) did.

The original MPU board worked in either model, however the tray in which the board sits is absent a transformer on the older PE model.

The PE+ had the option of a SuperBoard that had both a Data & Program chip socket. They could play more advanced games. You could however play the basic games on the superboard by leaving the program socket empty. I am not sure if the superboard will work in a PE. I never have had the opportunity to try.

The fact that your glass says PE on it, vs PE+ has no bearing as the glass was pretty generic between the two.

[rokgpsman]

Is the IGT S+ machine very similar to the Players Edge + ?

[bally bob]

Got the machine running tonight. Seems to work fine, with a couple of issues. The yellow light on the candle blinks non-stop very fast. When first turned on the video takes probably 5 to 10 minutes to stabilize. It has a very fast flickering and rolling vertical picture that is out of sync with top at the bottom and bottom at the top. Again after about 5 minutes it looked and remained stable. Not sure what controls the vertical sync. Also at the end of each hand if you have a winner it gives you a chance for double or nothing. Is this a function that can be shut off somehow? Don't really like it as just another button to push. Is there any documentation that would help me track down these problems? Mine does not have a bill validator, but one can be added? What does that cost? I of course would be appreciative of any assistance. Thanks

[CVslots]

Again, the PE or PE+ manual is your friend...find it, download it, read it, and love it...

And yes, the S+ is the reel version of the PE/PE+. Same era, but just video versus reels.

[rokgpsman]

Got the machine running tonight. Seems to work fine, with a couple of issues. The yellow light on the candle blinks non-stop very fast. When first turned on the video takes probably 5 to 10 minutes to stabilize. It has a very fast flickering and rolling vertical picture that is out of sync with top at the bottom and bottom at the top. Again after about 5 minutes it looked and remained stable. Not sure what controls the vertical sync. Also at the end of each hand if you have a winner it gives you a chance for double or nothing. Is this a function that can be shut off somehow? Don't really like it as just another button to push. Is there any documentation that would help me track down these problems? Mine does not have a bill validator, but one can be added? What does that cost? I of course would be appreciative of any assistance. Thanks

MODERATOR'S NOTE: The DIP switch information in this post applies to a Player's Edge (non-plus) machine only, not to a Player's Edge Plus (PE+) machine.  Do not adjust the DIP switches on a working Player's Edge Plus (PE+) machine.  -knagl

I think that the double-up feature (double or nothing) can be turned off with dipswitch #4 on the mpu system board. This mpu board is in the lower part of the machine, next to the back wall. Near this dipswitch is the volume control for adjusting the machines sound level. You may need to remove the mpu board to change dipswitch or volume settings. Of course always have power off when doing this.

If this machine is new to you it would be a good idea to remove the mpu board and check the battery for leakage or damage. If the battery looks ok you can check its voltage and replace if needed. The battery needs to be a minimum of 3 volts, something near 3.5 volts is best.

Depending on the monitor used in your machine there could be some adjustment controls for things like brightness, sync, hold, etc. Be careful reaching in around the monitor area, high voltage can be present even if machine is powered off. Since the image starts behaving after warmup you may have some parts in the monitor such as capacitors that have aged. Hopefully one of the adjustment controls will fix things.

Does pressing the CHANGE button have any effect on the flashing yellow light?

[CVslots]

How sad is it, that, once again, we're WAY more into this than the OP? I thinK we all need another hobby, lol.

[rokgpsman]

I thought I was just answering his questions that seemed sincere in their asking??

[jay]

The flashing candle may be addressed by pressing the CHANGE button (usually red) on the button deck.

The monitor control is usually above the monitor itself. Best to get a nylon screw driver to adjust. Your hands carry a small potential voltage and you can often adjust the screen only to have it act up (worse ?) when you move your hand away. The nylon screwdriver carries no such properties. Your best bet is to find one on line.
The other benefit is you can't get zapped.

This one seems expensive but its more or less what you would want to use.
http://www.zoro.com/ch-hanson-itl-screwdriver-nylon-11-slotted-38-in-usc01970/i/G8730251/?utm_source=mercent&utm_medium=cse&utm_campaign=shopzilla&mr:referralID=76233055-f2e3-11e4-8635-001b2166becc

On the PE+ The double up option is settable. The white setup button (inside) will flip you between the PE screens, one of the options is double up on/off

A picture of the inside of your machine might help us determine if its PE or PE+

Most of the PE's did not have bill validators - once the PE+'s came into vogue - side car bill validators were bolted to the side of the older PE machines.
IMHO these were horribly ugly and if you have a bank of machines they got in the way. Personally I would leave the machine the way it is and if you want a machine with a bill validator get a GameKing (IGT) or GameMaker (Bally) that have all the new games.

[CVslots]

No, no, no..you were totally sincere in answering the questions! Just find it funny that we are answering/suggesting so much lately, and the OP is no where to be found. Many come back and heed our advice, but some just fall off and never come back. Just make me question what we are doing here sometimes...

[rokgpsman]

I didn't realize they had logged off but I know what you mean. I sometimes wonder about the questions & suggestions offered on past discussions, when the person doesn't check back in & report what happened, I don't know if the help was helpful. Maybe they gave up, maybe they got it working but didn't let us know.

[knagl]

I think that the double-up feature (double or nothing) can be turned off with dipswitch #4 on the mpu system board.

With all due respect, this information is wrong for the Player's Edge Plus (PE+) machine that the OP has.  What you posted is for the previous generation Player's Edge (non-plus) machine.


With zero credits on the machine* (cash out or play them out), open the door and press the small white "self test" button.  The button is typically located near the MPU board on a PE+ machine.  Each time you press the Self Test button you'll cycle through different pages of menus.  Near the end is a menu page for the double-up option.  It will look like this:



While on that screen, turn the jackpot reset keyswitch on the side of the machine once to change it to "NO DOUBLE UP".  Press the Self Test button to continue through the setup pages.  To exit the setup screens, close the door on any setup page except the first "Self Test Inputs" screen and the last "OUT OF SERVICE" screen.  Closing the door on the Self Test Inputs screen allows you to test the door optics.  Closing the door on the OUT OF SERVICE screen allows you to place the machine out of service without turning it off.


Also in your setup screens, I have a hunch that the machine might be looking for a drop door and is sensing that it's open, hence the rapidly flashing candle light.  Make sure that the drop door option is set to "no", as seen here:




...and also make sure that the communication option is set to "NONE", since the machine isn't connected to a casino network:





*You can access some setup options even with credits on the machine, however some option screens will not appear when there are credits on the meter.  In general, it's best to make sure you have zero credits on the machine to ensure you can see and change all of the setup options.

[rokgpsman]

thanks for the correction. 

[knagl]

PE (Players Edge) had no bill validators
PE+ (Players Edge plus) did.

The original MPU board worked in either model, however the tray in which the board sits is absent a transformer on the older PE model.

The PE+ had the option of a SuperBoard that had both a Data & Program chip socket. They could play more advanced games. You could however play the basic games on the superboard by leaving the program socket empty. I am not sure if the superboard will work in a PE. I never have had the opportunity to try.

Most of the PE's did not have bill validators - once the PE+'s came into vogue - side car bill validators were bolted to the side of the older PE machines.

I don't mean to contradict what you posted, Jay, but perhaps you're confusing the platforms slightly?

To the best of my knowledge, Player's Edge (PE) (non-plus) machines never supported bill validators -- even the add-on sidecar ones.  Also, the PE (non-plus) MPU and the PE+ MPU boards were different.  The PE (non-plus) used wiring harnesses that had to physically be attached or removed to change out the MPU board from the machine, similar to the IGT S (non-plus) slot machine.

The PE+ MPU board (both the original and the newer Superboard) used a plug-and-play board on a tray, which is inserted or removed from the machine without having to physically attach wire harnesses (similar to how the IGT S+ slot MPU board works).


PE (non-plus):
- No bill validators
- Only one type of MPU board manufactured

PE+:
- Supports dollar bill validators
- Early models did not have bill validators, but the "sidecar" validator box that Jay described could be added on.  Later models had embedded bill validators as a standard feature.
- Two types of MPU boards manufactured -- the original (non-superboard), and the superboard (which supports game sets that require the use of a DATA chip)

[jay]

I am sure you are more correct as I have never had a non plus model.

[bally bob]

Thanks for all the information, it is more than appreciated. You are not pissing in the wind answering my dumb questions. I work with pinballs, arcade machines and slots, so I'm totally new to video poker. I will print out the responses for future reference, memory isn't as good as 30 years ago. There were a lot of credits built up on the machine and was playing those last night and this morning when I accidently hit the cash out button. Had 800 credits. The hopper was empty and would run for a few seconds than shut off, kept putting coins until all the credits were down to zero. Didn't know how to shut off the hopper so I could go back into the play mode and play off the credits. Will try the hopper key switch tonight. Did press the white button and just cycled through the screens. When you are on a screen that allows you to turn on or off a function what needs to be done? Pressed the red change button did not stop the flashing yellow light. Machine is on a casino stand with what looks like possibly to be a drop door, so I will also try that suggestion. Also is a bill validator the same as a bill acceptor? Thanks again.

[Shaggy]

Yes the validator and acceptor are the same thing.

[bally bob]

Got the double up feature turned off. Thank you for helping with that, after working for the best poker hand it seems rather dumb to have a coin flip for your credits. The rapid flashing light is still on, the suggestion was that the coin drop door was open and it appears to be on one of the screens, but don't know how to cursor to that line or turn it off. Have a screen shot attached along with a couple of the inside of the machine. Another thing that just occurred was the lights went out on the 3 center hold buttons. I think it might not be the bulbs since all 3 went out at once. How are the switches removed or bulbs replaced. Thanks. Still looking for a service manual. Anyone have one for sale?

[cdlale]

Does anyone have the dip switch settings for the PE+?
Thanks