Author Topic: game pays out too much? (Read 8295 times)

spudgunman · « **on:** April 26, 2016, 10:30:31 AM »

so i just got a double wild cherry that was all dead and broken - restored it very nicely and its all working now. I am using it as a piggy bank and loading it up with cash - idea was when I win a jackpot I can spend that cash. here is the issue.. I am winning too much - in playing around with it I have won 3 70$+ jackpots with only about 80 into the game. so I have paid out like 150 more then I put in.. this isnt helpfull to saving piggys

I have this rom in there.. question is I guess should I change the rom to a more "tighter" one? where do i get new SS roms for changing out the odds? do i even know what I am talking about? I ran the audits and the game audits show a larger credit rewarded then credits in over whenever the audits lifespan was (another question the only way to clear audits is with a clear chip right?)

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cowboygames · « **Reply #1 on:** April 26, 2016, 10:51:38 AM »

It's not unheard of for games to go through "hot" streaks. You can get a lower payback chip, but they only change the odds on small wins. The type of wins you are getting wouldn't be affected. Play through it, she'll get clod again, they all do, lol

spudgunman · « **Reply #2 on:** April 26, 2016, 12:40:41 PM »

interesting thanks.. the SS roms are they available somewhere or is that considered copyrighted software?

Shaggy · « **Reply #3 on:** April 26, 2016, 01:00:26 PM »

Many of the vendors on the home page carry reel chips. What number is your chip?

Dave

spudgunman · « **Reply #4 on:** April 26, 2016, 01:15:48 PM »

4330 if I remember just realized it didn't paste over from copying it out of "the bible"- I was curious if I could just burn new ones and play around with - don't totally understand the columns here yet

http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%203CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Double%20Wild%20Cherry%20(3%20Coin%20Multiplie.htm

Shaggy · « **Reply #5 on:** April 26, 2016, 02:01:45 PM »

Well a 4330 shows a 92.5% payout. Not really that high. I run 95% in mine. You'll have to have someone else tell you about burning new ones. I know nothing about it. But I think Cowboy is right, soon you'll be wishing it would hit. Remember these things are made to take money. And they're good at it.

Dave

spudgunman · « **Reply #6 on:** April 26, 2016, 03:04:03 PM »

haha Im ok with that I want it to take my cash - whats the max% 1st coin, hit freq and win freq? /whats the top award and 2nd award defined as hits and for what cycle?

Max%
(1st. Coin)

Hit Freq

(Stops)

Top Award
(Hits/Cycle)

2nd Award
(Hits/Cycle)

Win Freq

Shaggy · « **Reply #7 on:** April 26, 2016, 04:02:21 PM »

Quote from: spudgunman on April 26, 2016, 03:04:03 PM

haha Im ok with that I want it to take my cash - whats the max% 1st coin, hit freq and win freq? /whats the top award and 2nd award defined as hits and for what cycle?

Max%
(1st. Coin) Hit Freq (Stops) Top Award
(Hits/Cycle) 2nd Award
(Hits/Cycle) Win Freq

Isn't most of that information in the link you posted in reply #4?

spudgunman · « **Reply #8 on:** April 26, 2016, 04:17:29 PM »

yes the data is there but I dont know what the data means?

max% 1st coin - is that mean that on the first coin this is what?
Hit frequency - whats a hit? I win of any type?
Top award -hits/cycle - sounds good whats a cycle? there is 3 numbers I assume for 1coin/2coin/3coin? is this the pay out or ??
Win Freq - I assume this is any credit won? how is this in relation to hit frequency and max% 1st coin thing.

Shaggy · « **Reply #9 on:** April 26, 2016, 05:37:22 PM »

Quote from: spudgunman on April 26, 2016, 04:17:29 PM

yes the data is there but I dont know what the data means?

max% 1st coin - is that mean that on the first coin this is what?
Hit frequency - whats a hit? I win of any type?
Top award -hits/cycle - sounds good whats a cycle? there is 3 numbers I assume for 1coin/2coin/3coin? is this the pay out or ??
Win Freq - I assume this is any credit won? how is this in relation to hit frequency and max% 1st coin thing.

OK I would love to tell you the answers to all of those questions. But since I'm not Data from StarTrek NG. I'll do my best. If you're playing only one coin this is the max % expected to pay out over the life of the machine. Which is calculated at one million spins. Get busy dude! A hit is a win. Unless you are playing a multi-line game, which will pay less than the bet which may or may not be counted (as it does pay credits back) Don't know there man. Yes the top award is just what it says. 1,2or 3 coin. Cycle- Likely this is the 256 stops or so your machine has stops for (maybe). I really don't know on that but it's set at one so.....Win freq. is times expected to win as credits are played. Or it may be jackpots but I doubt it. The rest of your question amounts to resistance is futile as you will be assimilated. That's the best I can do man. Now I need another drink. And it's time to play video poker. Whatever I told you wrong on, someone will jump in and fix it.

Dave

off-track · « **Reply #10 on:** April 26, 2016, 07:48:38 PM »

Assuming your machine takes both coin and bills?

I use my machine as more of a "change jar". Every day when I get home all the quarters in my pocket get tossed into the S+ tray and the nickles go to the Bally EM. Anything I make from auction sales or, if I have a "spare" $20 it gets fed to the IGT and the credits played off. If it pays a big jackpot I'll play max credits till I get bored and then cash out and dump the coins back into the hopper.

I haven't "withdrawn" yet. What I don't know is there, the soon to be ex doesn't either!

spudgunman · « **Reply #11 on:** April 26, 2016, 08:20:59 PM »

Quote from: Shaggy on April 26, 2016, 05:37:22 PM

OK I would love to tell you the answers to all of those questions. But since I'm not Data from StarTrek NG. I'll do my best. If you're playing only one coin this is the max % expected to pay out over the life of the machine. Which is calculated at one million spins. Get busy dude! A hit is a win. Unless you are playing a multi-line game, which will pay less than the bet which may or may not be counted (as it does pay credits back) Don't know there man. Yes the top award is just what it says. 1,2or 3 coin. Cycle- Likely this is the 256 stops or so your machine has stops for (maybe). I really don't know on that but it's set at one so.....Win freq. is times expected to win as credits are played. Or it may be jackpots but I doubt it. The rest of your question amounts to resistance is futile as you will be assimilated. That's the best I can do man. Now I need another drink. And it's time to play video poker. Whatever I told you wrong on, someone will jump in and fix it.

Dave

well that helps a lot answers some of them for sure! thanks

spudgunman · « **Reply #12 on:** April 26, 2016, 08:24:06 PM »

Quote from: off-track on April 26, 2016, 07:48:38 PM

Assuming your machine takes both coin and bills?

I use my machine as more of a "change jar". Every day when I get home all the quarters in my pocket get tossed into the S+ tray and the nickles go to the Bally EM. Anything I make from auction sales or, if I have a "spare" $20 it gets fed to the IGT and the credits played off. If it pays a big jackpot I'll play max credits till I get bored and then cash out and dump the coins back into the hopper.

I haven't "withdrawn" yet. What I don't know is there, the soon to be ex doesn't either!

nice, yea thats my idea - I got a "tighter" payout SS rom just now I want the game to really put long time between jackpots - I do have the bills and also picked up the world bill thing so I can run the new bills as long as I can till (thanks a lot treasury department) we change money again. pain in the arse.

jay · « **Reply #13 on:** April 26, 2016, 09:26:57 PM »

Off-Track
Regarding your soon to be X-wife.

I had always thought one way of maximizing the "split" in your favor would be for you to go to the casino every day and use the ATM to withdraw your allowed maximum ... ie $500/day.
You then go to the blackjack table, change it to chips, play a hand, and then go cash the chips in. Put the cash in the preverbal coffee can (not a bank).
You continue to drain the account, max out your home equity line of credit so basically you have no equity left on the house.... and keep filling that coffee can.
Once your in debt to the hilt - Then you quit your job ... finally you break down cry your eyes out and get yourself into some kind of gambling anonymous group.
Then you initiate the divorce proceedings......

You have a wad of ATM receipts with the Casino name on it.
Let the court subpoena video evidence from the casino if they want it.
She gets hits with 1/2 the debt of the house, lines of credit etc.
You are in a gambling anonymous group so they can't say that you have the "potential earning power" - perhaps she will have to start paying you alimony......
You can then declare personal bankruptcy and walk from your house debt etc.

You now have a huge amount of undocumented cash and are debt free, perhaps with a line of money coming from your X.......... can you say long legged blonde and a Ferrari 10 times fast.....

spudgunman · « **Reply #14 on:** April 26, 2016, 09:39:48 PM »

It was a great plan till you documented it here haha

jay · « **Reply #15 on:** April 26, 2016, 09:43:58 PM »

I have been married 28 years.... as the country line plays.... "Cheaper to keep her...."

off-track · « **Reply #16 on:** April 27, 2016, 07:05:33 PM »

Quote from: jay on April 26, 2016, 09:43:58 PM

I have been married 28 years.... as the country line plays.... "Cheaper to keep her...."

27 here. True it is cheaper, but then again.. I believe that divorce is so expensive because it worth it!

Don't get me wrong. I'm a saver, she was (and is) the spender. I'm not touching what's on the books... I'm also not adding to it. Chump change doesn't make a hoot of difference anyhow right?? Besides.. I just found out she wants half of the pinball machines as well! ARRGH!

cowboygames · « **Reply #17 on:** April 27, 2016, 07:31:48 PM »

A chainsaw is easiest for that division, lol

spudgunman · « **Reply #18 on:** April 28, 2016, 08:50:44 AM »

am I crazy or is this a thing.. when I put in lets say $10 or more (.25 credit value 3 coin 1 line payout game) I seem to win constantly like constantly...it will pay out on average of 50:10

but if I just drop a dollar in I never ever win.

if I put $10 in I have like a 80% chance of getting a 20-40 credit payout in the first 2-3 pulls

I did order a new SS chip with 10% "worse" payout then I have now to really shake it and with a clear chip hope to see whats up..

I sort of think the reason i got this game is it was paying out so much the casino said toss it haha

I literally cant keep money in this thing.

spudgunman · « **Reply #19 on:** April 28, 2016, 08:54:28 AM »

another thought.. if this game was in home use for a long time it stands to reason no one ever cashes out

so is the problem that the machine is so heavy on the income of coin that it is trying very hard to balance the books of odds and payout the balance that is currently holding in "home use credit play"

so would something as simple as a memory clear solve this problem?

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