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Author Topic: Bally 809-ZZN Full Restoration.  (Read 40331 times)

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #200 on: October 04, 2022, 04:05:02 PM »
if you have - or make - extension cables for the blugs, that makes life easier.   However, there's not a lot on the hopper, so it's not really necessary. 

if you blow a fuse tho, the most useful thing is a small circuit breaker so you don't go broke buying fuses until you find the issue.

suggest you tape up or shrinkwrap  the join (red arrow).  I don't think it can touch anything, but you don't want it to.

the switch gap (yellow arrow) looks large.  When testing switch operation, push down the armature plate (green arrow), not the brown switch lifter.  Switch travel is higher than normal if you push on the lifter.   You're familiar with switch adjust and overtravel, right?

I don't recall seeing the cover over the hopper switches before.  I'd leave it off ... at least until you make sure everything is working.

Yes your correct, more surgery required. I'll get to it.
The beau plug is something that I have for easier diagnostic work.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #201 on: October 04, 2022, 05:01:44 PM »
This hopper cover.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #202 on: October 04, 2022, 11:01:58 PM »
Usually I try and make sure the switches are correct, the payout switch obviously needs a shim to get it straight and not tweaked.  :cool_thumb_up:

If I have a mistake, bringing it up to my attention is awesome, thanks.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #203 on: October 05, 2022, 07:45:12 PM »
More Work.

Door lock is looking awesome.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #204 on: October 05, 2022, 07:52:20 PM »
Hopper checking all of the switches, open, close, making sure the switches are working correctly.
I repaired the switch problem.
« Last Edit: October 05, 2022, 08:28:08 PM by David Walz »
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #205 on: October 05, 2022, 08:04:16 PM »
I'm having a issue with the plugs after I transferred the wires the problem with connections, I need to work on the fingers on each connector.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #206 on: October 05, 2022, 08:10:55 PM »
The Beau plug extension is connected.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #207 on: October 05, 2022, 08:12:29 PM »
Checking out the electronics. The meters, door, everything.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #208 on: October 06, 2022, 12:21:23 PM »
The plug in connectors at the door had some issues. The contacts inside of the plugs were not making contact with each other. I was able to fabricate a tool to reach inside of the contact and spread the contact fully.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #209 on: October 06, 2022, 12:30:10 PM »
I'm having to figure out the belly glass lighting issue. I have a test cord for the belly light and it works plugged directly into a power source. In the door, the belly glass will not light. Wire checks out at the door plug, keep on searching for the solution.

I installed a Molex connector for easier repairs, diagnostic. 

The more I think about this the more I am convinced it has something to do with the extra wires that the Mint Casino installed. I thought that I cleaned the wiring from the addition, however I probably know where to look.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2022, 07:01:47 AM by David Walz »
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #210 on: October 06, 2022, 12:38:02 PM »
Talking to Wolftalk, I have a modification to do on the payout disc, the "20" wire is not used, I'm moving the #23 wire to the "50".

He's very up to date on this Bally slot machine wiring, I'm very fortunate to have someone who knows these slot machines, and helps me out with the wiring.  :thank_you:
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #211 on: October 07, 2022, 09:47:23 AM »
The belly light 110V black wire going to the reel light ballast inside of the cabinet was the problem, after I sourced the wire, replaced the wire at the plug, now it lights up and no more issues.  :yes:

These slot machines can't be stored in a climate like a shed, without any heat. It causes damage to the parts, electrical system, and more. I have had only major issues with the grease that became hardened like a rock, contacts were dirty, new bulbs, lights, fuses. The reels were not aligned, they are original Mint Casino reels. The extra Mint Casino wiring was not a problem, the factory wiring is by all accounts is in great condition, the burnt, broken wires were replaced correctly.

The hopper is the only major issue, not having one and I am hoping that the restoration, function of the hopper will be uneventful.

More work ahead........
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Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #212 on: October 07, 2022, 12:23:22 PM »
The plug in connectors at the door had some issues. The contacts inside of the plugs were not making contact with each other. I was able to fabricate a tool to reach inside of the contact and spread the contact fully.

I don't recall seeing that style of connector pin used for wire-to-wire connections.  That looks like a pin intended to mate to a square header pin.  Wire-to-wire are typically round "bullet" style.

do you have part numbers / spec for the pins and connector housings that you used?

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #213 on: October 07, 2022, 01:32:18 PM »
The #23 wire was moved from the "20" location to the "50" location on the disk.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2022, 01:50:14 PM by David Walz »
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #214 on: October 07, 2022, 01:47:53 PM »
The plug in connectors at the door had some issues. The contacts inside of the plugs were not making contact with each other. I was able to fabricate a tool to reach inside of the contact and spread the contact fully.

I don't recall seeing that style of connector pin used for wire-to-wire connections.  That looks like a pin intended to mate to a square header pin.  Wire-to-wire are typically round "bullet" style.

do you have part numbers / spec for the pins and connector housings that you used?

The wiring plugs is what came with the slot machine, I ended up not replacing them. When I asked for a replacement used plug the same connectors with wires came with the plug.

I think Mint Casino had some "special" wiring going on. I am not going to do anything, the door is functioning "normal" everything so far is working. I'm almost 100% positive that this slot machine wasn't monkey with. The smoke soot matched up everything. I think the previous owners couldn't understand the slot machine and stuck it in a corrner. The only thing was the reels were not correct, but they were smoke on them.


« Last Edit: October 07, 2022, 04:30:40 PM by David Walz »
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #215 on: October 07, 2022, 07:03:52 PM »
as my wife will tell ya, as soon as I say "I don't recall" or "if I recall", mortgage your house and bet it all that I'm wrong :-)

I gotta find out what connector that is.  I assume amphenol made it.

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #216 on: October 07, 2022, 10:55:53 PM »
as my wife will tell ya, as soon as I say "I don't recall" or "if I recall", mortgage your house and bet it all that I'm wrong :-)

I gotta find out what connector that is.  I assume amphenol made it.

I still have plenty of faith this slot machine will be running again.  :1:
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Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #217 on: October 08, 2022, 08:50:12 AM »
This is the only thing I found that barely resembles the door plug.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #218 on: October 08, 2022, 12:54:47 PM »
Just to let everyone know where I am sourcing parts from. I have been ordering small parts at a time for a reason, my wife doesn't pick up on small orders, only large orders. So I am essentially keeping the parts under the radar, and we're cool.  :yes:

And a plug for my source of parts, he's really professional, runs a well organized supply business, and he's filled my request every time, no issues at all.  I'm not just getting the slot machine running again, I am basically putting everything missing back into the slot machine from the factory down to the third meter on the deck.

When you clean every part, remove any hardened grease, clean the smelly cabinet, it will run like a bat out of hell. The reels alone spin like a top after cleaning, the reel mechanism after cleaning just zooms. The handle release mechanism after cleaning every part is a smooth pull. So if you really want a slot machine be prepared to get your hands dirty.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #219 on: October 08, 2022, 06:40:14 PM »
 :mail_2: More parts has arrived!

Working on the delay relay circuit. I got it together finally. The parts took time to get here, which is not a problem.  :applause:
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Wasilla Locksmith safe and vault.

 

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