Author Topic: Winner Paid Light Problem (Read 8183 times)

rdaniel · « **on:** February 23, 2016, 05:42:09 PM »

Greetings all. I have another relatively minor issue with my 873. It seems that after a payout, when the machine is played again, the winner paid light does not go out. I checked and it appears that one coin gets stuck and stops under the roller (pivot arm) When the roller is in the up position, the winner paid switch will not open and the light stays on. This issue is intermittent but still frustrating.
Attached is a photo of the coin under the roller. Any assistance on how to adjust the hopper so that the hopper motor does not stop with a coin under the roller?
Thanks.

rdaniel · « **Reply #1 on:** February 23, 2016, 05:47:11 PM »

Having trouble publishing the photo

RiseLikeRa · « **Reply #2 on:** February 23, 2016, 06:54:49 PM »

Richard if I remember correctly isnt there a kicker of some sort that is supposed to knock the coins off of the wheel before it gets to that point? My second GUESS would be a hopper brake issue. I have not had that issue so I am shooting my EM scatter gun at your problem hoping to hit something for you my friend.

Ra

rdaniel · « **Reply #3 on:** February 23, 2016, 07:59:13 PM »

The snow hopper does not have a kicker like the earlier hoppers. It uses a breaking system connected to the motor. I will try cleaning the break system. Seems like all it takes is a micro-second quicker breaking and the coin will end up in the correct location.

Denmark · « **Reply #4 on:** February 24, 2016, 05:08:31 AM »

Hi there..

if the above wont fix it,heres my bid

If the roller is lubricatet (to turn freely) still lets a coin get stuck there ,then u have to adjust the payoutdisc
if u pull out the hopper and slowly press the stepup arm you will probably see that the wiperfingers will move away from the pay to early thereby cutting power to the hopper and not letting the coin leave the hopper before the brake sets inn..

rokgpsman · « **Reply #5 on:** February 24, 2016, 08:07:39 AM »

That sounds like a good possibility and something to check into.

rdaniel · « **Reply #6 on:** February 24, 2016, 10:03:55 AM »

Thanks guys. I will give that a try.

Denmark · « **Reply #7 on:** February 24, 2016, 10:53:50 AM »

Quote from: rdaniel on February 24, 2016, 10:03:55 AM

Thanks guys. I will give that a try.

Cant seem to find any link to a sticky from Old Reno with a" adjust the hopper disc topic",and i cant explain the tecnique how too adjust it, cause my limited technical language.
Can anybody help with a link or description how to adjust the disc for Rdaniel
?

Hans

rokgpsman · « **Reply #8 on:** February 24, 2016, 10:57:11 AM »

Was it maybe on the "old" NLG site, now an archive but still available for searching?

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/

(it may come up with a password prompt but you don't have to enter anything)

Hopefully making the adjustment will be self-apparent and he can try it. From your description Hans it sounds like the wiper fingers need to be adjusted a little forward or backward to change the timing of the hopper motor shutdown. The desire is to have the hopper motor run just a bit longer, or shutdown just a bit sooner, so that a coin does not get trapped under the roller.

Something I wondered about was the photo he posted earlier of the hopper and coin that was stuck under the roller. The hopper knife has a portion of its upper edge that is bent downward and it looks like this allows the coin to drop downward a little. This then lets the coin's leftside edge hits against a corner on the hopper knife upper edge over to the left. Kind of like the coin falls slightly into a pothole. This could make it harder for the coin to move out from under the roller. Maybe I am looking at it wrong, I don't know how the knife on these machines is supposed to look. But that part of the knife that is bent downward may be wrong.

rokgpsman · « **Reply #9 on:** February 24, 2016, 11:50:20 AM »

I found a drawing of the Bally EM hopper knife area, it does look like the knife is bent in that area so I guess I am on the wrong track with that idea. Unless the knife in this machine is for a different coin instead of the nickel setup.

I am posting a few pages from the manual that describe the adjustments to the hopper, maybe this info is what Hans saw that OldReno had said.

Denmark · « **Reply #10 on:** February 24, 2016, 11:54:27 AM »

Quote from: rokgpsman on February 24, 2016, 10:57:11 AM

Was it maybe on the "old" NLG site, now an archive but still available for searching?

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/

(it may come up with a password prompt but you don't have to enter anything)

Hopefully making the adjustment will be self-apparent and he can try it. From your description Hans it sounds like the wiper fingers need to be adjusted a little forward or backward to change the timing of the hopper motor shutdown. The desire is to have the hopper motor run just a bit longer, or shutdown just a bit sooner, so that a coin does not get trapped under the roller.

Something I wondered about was the photo he posted earlier of the hopper and coin that was stuck under the roller. The hopper knife has a portion of its upper edge that is bent downward and it looks like this allows the coin to drop downward a little. This then lets the coin's leftside edge hits against a corner on the hopper knife upper edge over to the left. Kind of like the coin falls slightly into a pothole. This could make it harder for the coin to move out from under the roller. Maybe I am looking at it wrong, I don't know how the knife on these machines is supposed to look. But that part of the knife that is bent downward may be wrong.

The bent part is right - just compared it to another hopper that works - they are alike
dirt and grease could stop the coin,that could also be an issue..
In older days i just used a hammer on the roller fixture to ease the point of engage of the roller,thereby letting the coin leave ( making overpaying a possible problem)

looking forward to hear from Rdaniel ...

rokgpsman · « **Reply #11 on:** February 24, 2016, 11:58:09 AM »

Thanks for verifying that Hans. While you were doing that I found a drawing in a Bally EM manual, it shows that the knife has that bent portion. Do you think the knife could be for a different size coin, like a dollar or quarter, and since the nickels he is using are smaller that is adding to the problem?

Denmark · « **Reply #12 on:** February 24, 2016, 12:06:19 PM »

Im still pretty sure the knife isent an issue,adjustment is - severel solutions would fix the problem but the hopperdisc allignment is the way to fix it for good..
The manual you attched dosent include the disc- located at the other side of the hopper..

Lets hope he just finished fixing the machine now

Hans

Denmark · « **Reply #13 on:** February 24, 2016, 12:24:41 PM »

I assume that the hopperdisc has been cleaned ?

rdaniel · « **Reply #14 on:** February 24, 2016, 12:39:48 PM »

Yes the disk has been cleaned as are all observable parts.

Denmark · « **Reply #15 on:** February 24, 2016, 01:21:13 PM »

Quote from: rdaniel on February 24, 2016, 12:39:48 PM

Yes the disk has been cleaned as are all observable parts.

And you know how to adjust the hopper payout disc ?

OldReno · « **Reply #16 on:** February 24, 2016, 03:55:11 PM »

I would guess your hopper motor brake is slipping. You may have to file some of the white plastic stops if they appear rounded.
If that does not fix it, then you can adjust your hopper payboard by loosening the two bolts that hold it onto the bracket (way up inside by the wiper fingers, you will see them), and then you can actually rotate the whole board a little bit, to more accurately adjust just when the wiper fingers step off the hot pay tab (whichever one that is)
Question, is that stuck coin the one that is to finish the pay, or would that be an overpay if it went out?
Also, is it mostly a particular payout, like cherry only?

rdaniel · « **Reply #17 on:** February 24, 2016, 04:06:28 PM »

Greetings Old Reno.

There is room to adjust the wiper fingers and I have done so. The actual payout is correct. The coin stuck under the roller would be an extra coin not part of the winning amount. It just happens frequently on all payouts.

I am not sure what you are referring to when you talk about white plastic stops. Could give me more information.

Thanks

Denmark · « **Reply #18 on:** February 25, 2016, 08:51:16 AM »

Im still into adjusting the hopper payoutdisc - the wiperfingers are moving away of the paystrip too soon,not stopping the hopper fast enough.
OR it could like Old Reno says be the hopperbrake -turn the hopper upside down and u can see it on the buttom of the hopper - it retracts when the motor is energized alowing the shaft to rotate - check that..

Hans

Op-Bell · « **Reply #19 on:** February 26, 2016, 05:14:18 PM »

Hold on, people, you're forgetting something. Isn't this an 873? The 873 has an electrically stepped payout disk. The problem isn't in the disk and the wipers, it's in the contact stack back of the hopper wheel. The contact that steps the hopper is opening too early. Adjust it so that it stays closed until the coin travels completely under the roller.

One of the other contacts in that stack shorts out the wipers - this is specifically to prevent sparking and burning of the tracks. That contact should stay closed longest, and open only after the wipers have stepped.

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