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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S2000 and Vision Games => Topic started by: sportsman2381 on June 12, 2018, 03:19:06 PM
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Hello everyone, I have some problems with my slot machine. I hope someone can help. I have an IGT S2000 slot machine and first I had a Ram error and low main battery. I have replaced the main battery and the green varta battery and I cleared the ram error with the attendant key. Now I have closure M and door B open. The wires for the money box door were bypassed and twisted together and I also have power but my WBA 12/13 bill acceptor will not take any money. I was thinking of buying a Key 97 and Key 17 and trying the reset. Hope someone can help.
thanks,
Bill
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Any signs of leakage where the old green Battery was? If so, those traces that run under the Battery are notorius for causing the problem. Board replacement is the best option if that is the case.
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I checked the board and I didn't see any sign of leakage. I was thinking of replacing the whole board anyway to try that and the door I/O board too.
thanks,
Bill
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Lets get a fresh start.. Is this a game that you have owned and played before, or is this something new you just bought? Your bill acceptor will not work until the errors are cleared..
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Has the belly glass door switch been bypassed? That switch could be bad if it is still in there.
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This was a new game i have purchased i have not played
The Belly switch is still in place and not bypassed
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I just got my 1st IGT and this sounds very much like what I have been going through the last 4 or 5 weeks. I had the same RAM ERROR and found the main (coin cell) battery was bad on mine. My Varta battery (green one) was good and no PCB damage. I removed it like suggested every where by people who know. I got the clear/key chips and got my machine 'working' but the sound, hopper and BV (Bill Validator) did not work. I started on the easy problem, for me, the sound. Still not fixed. Checked the hopper and still not fixed. Finally, while waiting for new parts I decided to tackle the BV. The part I knew nothing about. Did the forum research and Goggled what I could. Almost every suggestion is - be sure the cash box is in all the way. I checked mine many times, it was in, and in all the way. The problem is I never really ran across why it should be in all the way. I took the BV mechanism out and looked at it, the 1st thing I noticed were the 2 'gap' sensors in the back that appeared at 1st glance to do nothing. I knew they were there for a reason, but did not see anything in particular at 1st glance. After removing the cash box and the entire housing and looking at it on the bench - the 'gap' sensors are there to tell the BV that the cash box is in place (home) and that the cashbox is or is not full off bills. I fixed mine this way.
The 2 small plastic spring loaded 'flags' in the back work like this. When the cash box is out (or not in all the way in) the flag on the right (looking in from the front) is for the 'Home' sensor. So when the cash box is out, the flag is spring loaded down, the 'gap' sensor is blocked, and the BV senses that the cash box is out and will not initialize the BV reader. When the cash box is in, the flag is pushed up out of the 'gap' sensor, it is unblocked and the sensor tells the BV that the cash box is installed. I had to loosen the 'gap' sensor PCB mounting screws on the back side of the BV and adjust it so the flag(s) could move freely without rubbing or hanging up on the 'gap' sensors. It is made to line up with the flags, but the PCB does move a very tiny bit from slop in the screw holes. I moved it to get it as far to the bottom of the BV reader (closest to the cash box) as possible, and made sure when the cash box was in all the way so it actually pushed the 'flag' out of the 'gap' sensor. That should get the BV to initialize if it is enabled in the setup menu, and the Netplex communication talks to it. (I also had to adjust the entire housing and cash box alignment bracket in side the housing, it was missing a screw and I made sure everything was assembled in such a manner to get the 'flags' and 'gap' sensors aligned perfectly. I don't think you should have to do all of this.)
The 2nd 'flag' is to tell the BV that the cash box is full of bills. It has to line up and move freely like the home sensor. Every time the BV runs, 2 motors work. One for the belts to feed the bill into the BV, the 2nd motor to drive the cash box mechanism to store the bill. That 2nd 'flag' gets actuated every bill store cycle and if the cash box ends up being full, the 'flag' can not be lowered enough to block the 'gap' sensor, telling the BV it has room for at least one more bill. This should not be much of a problem for home use as I figure most people will not fill up the cashbox to max full. Either way, the sensor has to work or the BV will think the cash box is full and the BV will tell the MPU PCB to display a message that the BV is full. I don't know as I have not tested that.
So, both 'Gap' sensors, both 'flags' and the plastic gears, the plastic unit that holds the gears and 'flags' have to be in working order for the BV to initialize. If the 'gap' sensors are shorted/open, the flags are broken, the plastic parts (gears and such) are wore out, or the BV has any other PCB/electronic problems, it won't work.
Check the 'flags' with the BV and cashbox out, look in the back and push the 'flags' with a finger and make sure they move freely and easy. Make sure they are there and not broken. If they look OK, put everything in and power up the machine. If it does not make any noise, initialize, then hit the cash box pretty hard to see if you can 'bounce' the flags in place for a bit to start the BV initialize. (I know it sounds like the bigger hammer syndrome, but believe it or not that is how I found out my BV did work) That is what got me to remove the entire housing and look at it on the bench and figure out how it works.
Any way, good luck and I hope this helps.
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Thank you for the great advice. I will try that and see how it goes. Also, I did purchase a new MPU, I am going to change over anything and see how that goes. I will keep everyone posted.
thanks
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Thank you everyone for your help. I have replaced my board and used my reset key chips and everything is back in order, except I notice the payout ranges are off when you win. Is there a way to correct that? And I notice when I print a cash-out ticket you can not put it back in. Did I miss a setting for that?
thanks,
Bill
(edited for readability)
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Unless you have a TITO (ticket in ticket out) unit installed, you won't be able to use your printed tickets
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Thank you everyone for your help i have replaced my board and used my reset key chips and everything is back in order except i notice the payout ranges are off when you win is there a way to correct that and i notice when i print a cash-out ticket you can not put it back in also did i miss a setting for that thanks Bill
As Elvis said the TITO is the only way to get the machine to take printed tickets. The payouts being wrong could be, strips out of alignment or possibly the wrong strips. Can you post a pic of the machine from the front and let us see what the game and strips are? That will help to figure out the problem with the payout. There is no setting on the machine to match payouts with strips.
Dave
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i can not get photos too load
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The size of the photo file that you upload has to be 1mb (1,000kb) or less. Your camera hopefully has a size adjustment in its settings menu, if so pick the smallest photo size, then take a photo of the front of your machine and try uploading it. If you continue to have problems you can email the photo to me and I can get it uploaded for you. I sent you an email to your gmail account, you can reply back to me and attach the photo to the email that you are wanting to upload. The photo can be of any size, won't be a problem that way.
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Below are photos of his machine..... photos of the mpu board to follow when I get them.
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Thank you everyone for your help. I have replaced my board and used my reset key chips and everything is back in order, except I notice the payout ranges are off when you win. Is there a way to correct that? And I notice when I print a cash-out ticket you can not put it back in. Did I miss a setting for that?
thanks,
Bill
When you replaced the mpu board did you transfer your socketed chips from the old board to the new one, or did the new board come with chips that you left on it?
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i have replaced everything that i know of from the old board to the new one there were 2 enhanced chips that were on the new board i took those off and put the ones from the old board on there ? thanks Bill
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i also did not re install the netplex Battery 2 that are famous for leaking
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What SB and game chips do you have? I am thinking this was a new game to you. Maybe it was Frankensteined before you got it.
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You do not need the Varta Battery. Only asking for trouble. Did it power on for you?
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i Have SB10009 in U21 and stepper GME2 Sg000363 in U46 and stepper GME1 SG000363 in U19 machine powers on and functions its just the payouts are not correct. The only thing i did not change from the old board to the new board were the Intel I960 square chip in U51 and the Se net Rev 3 in the U721 slot thanks Bill
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Your missing a number on the SB Chip. There are 6 numbers after the SB.
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thats weird yea your right that chip says SB10009 that was in the machine when i got it ? Should it be a different chip with 6 numbers?
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photos from Bill of his mpu. The 2 photos of the old/original mpu have a note saying "Old board", the photos of the replacement mpu don't have a note like that.
Looks like SB10009, but it is hand-written and I might be misreading it. Maybe the older SB chips only had 5 digits?
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closeup of SB chip...
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Bill- as Shaggy suggested earlier, have you looked at the reels, see if someone maybe switched them around so that they are not in the correct order (assuming the strips are not all the same)? Maybe they pulled reel #2 and switched it with reel #3, something like that. Probably not, since the reel bases are numbered and they are in 1-2-3 order in your photo, unless the wheel (basket) itself was switched between reels.
Also, is it possible someone got one of the strips mounted wrong on the reel, so that they look wrong when the spin ends and you get a payout? Tell us more about what you are seeing wrong with the payouts. Is it just one reel that is wrong?
This game is Triple Lucky Sevens, is that correct?
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alright i will try that also what happens is say when it lands on the triple lucky symbol it should pay 6 credits back and nothing happens but when the triple lucky lands on the middle reel above the pay line it pays 6 credits back and then when you get 3 sevens on the pay line it should pay 15 credits back it doesnt pay anything but if the last two reels land on 2 sevens it will pay 15 credits back and also when 2 triple lucky symbols land on the payline with a 7 it doesnt pay anything out ? i will try swaping reels around and let you know what happens thanks
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Hold off on swapping reels until someone confirms that you have the correct SB chip for your game. My notes say that Triple Lucky Sevens, 3 reels, 1 line, 3coin multiplier uses SB100207. But your award glass shows a top award of 6,000, and that doesn't match up, so I'm confused. Let's wait for someone to comment about your SB chip.
Can you confirm your machine is Triple Lucky Sevens?
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SB10009 SB100009 is triple lucky 7 3cm - top score is 6000
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alright great advice i believe it is the only thing is the orginal MPU board and case that was with someone had written Double 5X on it and 360303 crossed out and put 390903 and a sticker 59734700 REV: A 8/01 102 VVSGN
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SB10009 SB100009 is triple lucky 7 3cm - top score is 6000
This chart from IGT is what confuses me, his top award is 6,000, not 4,500 as expected for Triple Lucky Sevens, 3 reel, 1 line, 3 cm. I guess I'm missing something? Is it that both games in chart below are "clones" of each other, and with SB10009 SB100009 you get the 6,000 top award, whereas SB100207 gives a top award of 4,500?
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I am not finding a Triple Lucky 7 with these JP awards payouts? Unless it’s in a different listing? The SB100207 has a high JP of only 4500 not 6000?? It could be possible that his reel strip are not indexed correctly or maybe even on the correct reels? I would check the numbers on the reel strips. Last thought is that the reel are in the wrong position.
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Isn’t there a way to have a S2000 tell you what version of software it’s running like the S+? I think there is but it’s not coming to my attention right off... :Scratch-Head:
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I have a triple lucky 7 3cm top pay 6000
SB10009 SB100009, it is a clone of triple butterfly 7, and triple star 7. SB 100010 is 2cm
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triple lucky strips are 84637500, 84637500, 84637600 dont remember which order.
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I have a triple lucky 7 3cm top pay 6000 SB10009 SB100009, it is a clone of triple butterfly 7, and triple star 7. SB 100010 is 2cm
So, is SB10009 the correct SP chip for his machine, or SB100009? Is the payout problem something about the strips?
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I have a triple lucky 7 3cm top pay 6000 SB10009 it is a clone of triple butterfly 7, and triple star 7. SB 100010 is 2cm
If this is true then I would be checking the reel strips to make sure they are installed correctly. If this checked out then I would try doing a clear and key setup.
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yes strips must be in wrong order if he has same strips and sb as I just posted.
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triple lucky strips are 84637500, 84637500, 84637600 dont remember which order.
What reel strip is different in your game? That will tell use where the 84637600 goes since it’s the only one different. Compare the reel strip symbols.
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sixcardmark - none of the Triple Lucky Sevens listed in this IGT S2000 game list have a top award of 6,000 and none show SB10009. Do you have a newer list?
http://newlifegames.net/igt-game-bible/IGT/IGT-SpinningReel-S2K.htm (http://newlifegames.net/igt-game-bible/IGT/IGT-SpinningReel-S2K.htm)
However, the listing for Triple Butterfly Sevens does have top award of 6,000 and it shows SB10009 SB100009. But his award glass clearly says "Triple Lucky".
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triple lucky strips are 84637500, 84637500, 84637600 dont remember which order.
What reel strip is different in your game? That will tell use where the 84637600 goes since it’s the only one different. Compare the reel strip symbols.
I don't have it on a machine right now. That 600 can only go 3 places. lol
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sixcardmark - none of the Triple Lucky Sevens listed in this IGT S2000 game list have a top award of 6,000 and none show SB10009. Do you have a newer list?
[url]http://newlifegames.net/igt-game-bible/IGT/IGT-SpinningReel-S2K.htm[/url] ([url]http://newlifegames.net/igt-game-bible/IGT/IGT-SpinningReel-S2K.htm[/url])
However, the listing for Triple Butterfly Sevens does have top award of 6,000 and it shows SB10009. But his award glass clearly says "Triple Lucky".
I think triple red hot 7's is another clone.
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triple lucky strips are 84637500, 84637500, 84637600 dont remember which order.
What reel strip is different in your game? That will tell use where the 84637600 goes since it’s the only one different. Compare the reel strip symbols.
I don't have it on a machine right now. That 600 can only go 3 places. lol
yes, and it's in one of the places now, so only leaves 2 others to try.
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I think triple red hot 7's is another clone.
We've been saying "SB10009", should that be "SB100009"? That's what I'm seeing in the S2000 games list. Maybe someone wrote it wrong on his SB chip that has a hand-written label? But I find SB10009 mentioned in a lot of NLG website searches. Typo's or is there also a SB10009? If there is a SB10009 maybe someone put it his machine by mistake, instead of a SB100009?
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SB100009
4 zeros I have an original
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Quote from Idesign: SB100009 and it is 3 coin Triple Lucky 7s, and well as others clones like Triple Red Hot 7s, etc. SB100010 is the 2 coin version.
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SB100009
4 zeros I have an original
ok, so our earlier posts where all of us said SB10009 (3 zeros) should have said SB100009 (4 zeros)??
Also, is there also a SB10009 chip (3 zeros)? That's how his SB chip is marked. Maybe someone installed it by mistake instead of the SB100009 (4 zeros) and that's causing the payout problem?
I'm finding multiple references to a SB10009 (3 zeros) chip, like this (near the bottom of the list):
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?action=printpage;topic=27900.0 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?action=printpage;topic=27900.0)
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i took a look at my reel strips and i have notice that reel 1 and 2 have two triple lucky symbols on those reels and reel 3 only has one triple lucky symbol on it
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i took a look at my reel strips and i have notice that reel 1 and 2 have two triple lucky symbols on those reels and reel 3 only has one triple lucky symbol on it
that is the 600 and it should go on 3rd reel
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alright i looked at my reels reel 1 says 84637500 reel 2 84637500 and reel 3 84637600
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alright thank you i checked that out and the 600 is on the third reel with one triple lucky
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At this point I'm thinking someone put a SB10009 chip in your machine by mistake, instead of a SB100009 chip.
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Sure looks like must be wrong SB. glass does go with strips
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Sure looks like must be wrong SB. glass does go with strips
For others that might read this thread someday, we may need to edit the earlier posts where we said "SB10009" when we meant to say "SB100009" ? It's confusing enough, don't want to lead anyone astray.
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I think triple red hot 7's is another clone.
yes, and Triple Stars.
Four games total using SB100009: Triple Lucky 7's, Triple Butterfly 7's, Triple Red Hot 7's and Triple Stars.
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I think triple red hot 7's is another clone.
yes, and Triple Stars.
Four games total using SB100009: Triple Lucky 7's, Triple Butterfly 7's, Triple Red Hot 7's and Triple Stars.
And triple lucky 7 has it's own sound simm or you can use many different sound simms.
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I’ll say this again. I would do a clear and key on this machine and start over. I have seen crazy things happen in the S2000 slots that were resolved by doing a clear.. It a good thing to own if he wants to get more games down the road. Every game that I get is done just because it easier for me to setup the games the way I want it, from payout percentages to cash out menus and how many coin that can only be paid out. I have never believed in just swapping out chip. I’m not saying this will fix his problem, but it sure won’t hurt. :banghead:
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Here is how to look up SB# in your S2000:
turn the jackpot key one time, hit spin button one time, hit cash out 4 times, hit spin 2 times, hit cash out 1 time.
SB# will be displayed
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Here is how to look up SB# in your S2000:
turn the jackpot key one time, hit spin button one time, hit cash out 4 times, hit spin 2 times, hit cash out 1 time.
SB# will be displayed
That's a good idea, that way we'll definitely know if SB100009 is installed. I don't even know if there is a SB10009 chip, like Amechnic said they always have 6 digits after the SB. So someone may have written the label wrong on the SB chip in the machine now and it really is a SB100009. In that case it's probably time to do as suggested and Clear & Key the machine.
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I’m curious to know if there was a SB10009. That’s why I would like to see what the games seeing by using the display. That way we know for sure. Then we can concentrate on something else.
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thanks everyone for the great advice i followed the those steps and it says PV3 Base SB100009Maybe i will try the clear again and start over ?
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I just installed the game and verified the 600 strip does go in 3rd reel. I guess it is time to clear if the strips are in the notches.
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I ordered a new stepper base 100009 and i wanted to ask when you do a full reset does anyone know which game selection it should be on i think i have option of 1 through 10 i believe
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i also have another question is there a marking for when you change out the reel strips for new ones ?
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Yes, there is a notch on reel and strips
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The reel strips have a notch on one end that has to go into notch in the reel basket groove where the strips go.
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hello everyone i cant thank everyone enough for there advice and input upon further inspection i think i have solved the reel issues it appears when i bought the machine reel 1 strip was not correctly installed and it was out of alignment so far all the pay outs are correct thanks Bill
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Thanks good news Bill. You now learned to check the obvious first.
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yes it sure is and yes i learned that i am new to the slot machine market. I also have one more question what should the payout percentage be set to ?
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I set all of mine to the highest even though odds are for the life of the machine
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hello everyone i cant thank everyone enough for there advice and input upon further inspection i think i have solved the reel issues it appears when i bought the machine reel 1 strip was not correctly installed and it was out of alignment so far all the pay outs are correct thanks Bill
Glad you got it figured out.
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thank you me too now if i want to make the percentage higher is there a key chip i would need to do this ?
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The same key 17 you used before. In the s2000 section it explains every setting. Turning on printer bill validator coinless etc.
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alright great thank you also i know elvis mentioned it i have a printer in mine and can cash out my tickets but when i put them back in it says voucher in progress and then sends the ticket out
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You need a TITO unit from our vendor Bettorslots to utilize tickets going into the machine
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alright great i will order one is that simple to put in ?
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It comes with full instructions and Jim will help you set it up if needed on the phone.
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Please check the machine type 7.1.6 be sure it says upright.
Also make sure the reels themselves are also set on upright (screw on the side of the reel assembly)
Reel strips should end with 500, 500, and 600 in the third reel.
Be sure the strips are installed correctly and the detent on the strip engages on each reel.
SB100009 is the correct chip for your game.
Do this before you waste time with a clear
Rich
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Thanks Rich the problem has been resolved reel 1 was mis aligned
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So you understand, any other machines you get will need the TITO also. And yes, NO one stays with just one machine. I just keep a 100 bill in the cash can and feed it in a couple times.
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alright thanks for the advice and yea i can see myself getting a few more machines down the road
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Thanks Rich, the problem has been resolved, reel 1 was misaligned.
Glad you got the problem figured out! :cool_thumb_up:
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hello everyone i am back the machine been up and running great i bought the printer ticket software and installed. i went to play the machine and now the wheels started to shake and now i have a printer hardware error and door m open and the wheels are spinning slow any advice ?
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What printer ticket software? Did you buy and install a TITO unit? It possible a settings no correct.. if you got it from Jim at Better Slots he’s the expert of getting you setup correctly. He had to help me once when I had a issue. Sometime opening and closing a door can clear stacked errors. Also make sure the printer is all the way closed.
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For slow reels, open door, turn j/p key, close door.
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alright thanks i will try that too and i will give Jim a call i bought the the tito software from him