IGT S+ wba10 to wba13

[Rsims1970]

Have two IGT S+ machines with wba 10 BV. I got two wba 13 heads and transports to change out to be able to use newer bills. They say they have v3.60-03 and ido 22/23 chips.  When I got them I realized that the plugs were different on wba 10 and wba 13.  So I was hoping the software was in the wba head so I put the head from one of the wba 13 into the transport of the wba 10.  I put into the machine and when I turned it on the BV does not go thru the start up cycle.  It does nothing. I put the old head back into the wba 10 transport and tried it and the BV still does nothing on power up. The BV worked before I switched the heads.  I misplaced my set chip so cannot see if BV in inactive in the machine.  Still thought it would try to start up on power up.  Is it possible that the machine has lost that it has a BV attached. The machine works on coins. I have cables to switch to the wba 13 plug but would like to get it working with the wba 10 again before I switch to the wba13.  I do not want to do anything to the other machine till get this one working.  Do not want to mess it up.   

[RB]

You need 3.75-03i for the 12/13 & you have to change the harness on the back of the frame to accept the 12/13. Heads are interchangeable. I have everything you need PM if interested. 3.75 will accept everything but the new $100. Nothing newer is offered for the S Plus. You can NOT interchange 10/11 software with 12/13 or vice versa.

[Rsims1970]

Why would switching the heads make the unit not cycle on power up.  It worked before and now does not work with either head. Want to get working again with wba10 before going to the wba13.

[RB]

Who knows? It should work with either head provided the transport is good & the software is correct.

[Rsims1970]

Does the head hold any software in it. Or is all the software in the transport.  Is there a way to measure voltage on the pins behind the transport. What pins and what voltage should I see. This would be on a connector for a wba10.

[RB]

No software in the heads. Don't have the pinout info.

[Rsims1970]

Ok. Had bad BV power supply on machine. That has been replaced and now powers the new WBA 13 transports.  Have new issue.


One WBA 13 will not work in either machine. Here is what I have done so far.


Have swapped head in the transports. Issue stays with the bad transport.
Thinking I had a bad EPROM on transport I swapped EPROMs and issue stayed on bad transport
Have run the system test on bad transport and it will take the bills and flash the correct code for each bill 1 flash for $1 and 3 flashes for $5 and 4 flashes for $10. Does this in both the no cash can test and with cash can test.  Has no issues in test mode but will not accept any bill for credits to the machine.   I know it has to be in the transport since the working BV works in either machine. So it is not a machine set up issue.


Has anyone seen an issue before that a BV passes the bill test with or without cash can but will not take the bills for credits.  When I insert the bill the BV takes the bill in waits a couple of seconds and the sends it back out.


I have a new transport on order.

[Sunrise Side]

Maybe the optics on the transport need cleaned.  There's 4 sets of optics. 1 on  each drive motor, 1 that is on the flip up door of the transport,  and 1 where the bill exits the  the bottom of the transport. Dust and smoke  !!

[Rsims1970]

If the optics are bad or dirty could it still pass the BV Bill test mode.  It works fine in test mode.

[sixcardmark]

Check dip switches?

[Rsims1970]

All dip switches in off position.  The unit passes all BV self and dip switch tests.  Does not work in either machine but other BV works in both machines.  Have swapped EPROMs and units, and head units.   Issue stays with the Transport.

[Badbaud]

How far does the bill travel before it is rejected?

[Rsims1970]

It goes all the way in.  Bill stops and then a couple of seconds later it sends the bill back out. So weird that it works in test mode no issues.

[Badbaud]

Have you tried cleaning the bill exit optics, the last optic before the bill drops into the cash can.
That optic must be completely clear, spray some glass cleaner on a Q-tip and use that to clean the optic.
Also, test mode ignores the cash can. Your cash can may be stiff, try lubing all moving parts inside the can with some light oil.

[Rsims1970]

Optics are cleaned. Have tested the optics and all pass.  Bill in test mode goes into cash can every time. Is there a handshake signal from the BV to the machine before the Bill is stacked in normal operation.  The unit test ok on all bills with the correct flashes for Bill denomination. Think the transport is bad if there is a handshake signal between BV to machine since this unit does not work in either machine but another BV works in both machines.

[Rsims1970]

Issue resolved. New chassis fixed the issue.  Even though the chassis would pass all the self test and dip switch tests it would not add credits to the machine. New chassis with same head it works with no issues.  Adds credit to the machine. Thanks