money honey cont.

[puckhead]

money honey from a previous thread, by paul.   i got it working, but a few  glitches. with payout unit fingers set as in the pic, it pays one extra coin. also, on a big payout, it runs till the timer kicks. resetting the payout lever doesnt help. soon as you turn it back on,  the payout wheel kicks up to 100 and it pays until the timer kicks again.  it will only stay at reset after i trip it if i move the reels off that winning combo and turn it on . on small payouts  it resets fine, other than the extra coin payed out.

if i set the rubber bumper to get those fingers off the No. 2 position, it never pays out.  do the fingers have to be on the C.O. position at reset? 

also, the single switch on the reset lever. does it open momentarily on reset, or stay open? i looks momentary to me.

finally, the coin diverter coil doesnt de-energize after a coin up. still hear the buzz, and coin go to the hopper. related??

pic to follow, its choking on a 550k file

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[puckhead]

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[wolftalk]

the end wiper on the bottom arm needs to step off the circuit trace when the number on the trace is reached.


e.g. reset the unit and step it once.  The wiper should be centered near the edge of the 2 trace.  Step again and it should be completely off the 2 trace.  Verify with a higher numbered trace.


you adjust that by loosening the entire brown contact plate and twisting it as needed to get that setting.  You loosen the two hex screws behind the spiral with a wrench and tap a corner of the contact plate to rotate it.  Note the plate may not be perfectly parallel to the frame when done...that's normal.


the zero switch must be open when the replay counter is reset.  Adjust your stop so it is, but closes when the unit is stepped once.


other guys can comment whether the curved end of your zero switch is normal for that machine ... it looks pretty mangled.   The ones I recall the top blade is flat and the upper nub on the plastic carriage piece lifts the blade.  You adjust the lower blade to get the right switch action.


yell if you need a picture and I take one later tonight.

[puckhead]

a pic might help.  i had it set with the wipers just off the traces, but not on the big solid trace, with the zero switch open. at that point, it would not payout anytime. . i thought maybe the wipers might have to be all the way back on to  the big trace, but i guess not. there isnt much space between the big trace and wiper traces. with the size of the wiper contacts, its very close either way.  the zero wiper leaf with the angle bend looks like a factory bend to me.

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[wolftalk]

the wipers need to be on the traces for payout to happen.  It's the wipers moving off the "hot" trace that stops the payout.


below is a pic of the 929 payout disc - the trace pattern is different, but you can see what the zero switch looks like.  If doesn't really matter how mangled the switch is as long as it opens when the unit is reset and closes on the first step.


there's usually a couple of adjustments that can be made to ratchet/gear side of the unit.  Hopefully you don't need to mess with those.  In case you don't have the bally 1000a manual, below is what it says.  The key thing on the zero stop position adjust is the wiper need to move on the first step of the unit.  If all that happens is the pawls flop down on the ratchet edge but don't grab a tooth and pull the ratchet around, then the first coin ejected effectively wasn't counted and you'll get a +1 overpay.



SECTION III
MECHANISM ADJUSTMENTS
HOPPER UNIT ADJUSTMENTS

1. PRINTED CIRCUIT DISC (W-923-9 Wired)

The printed circuit disc is fastened to the counter assembly by (2) hex head machine screws located behind the cast spiral cam, and (1) Phillip's head machine screw located in the upper left hand corner of the disc. The disc is located centrally by the hub of the unit shaft and the clearance in the (3) screws allows adjustment by rotation of the disc to properly position the rotating wiper, relative to the disc.

Proper position of disc is indicated by resetting the counter unit to zero and manually stepping the unit 9 steps. When this 9th step is completed, the outside finger on the rotating wiper should be centered in the segment identified on the wiring tab at the bottom of the disc by the number 10. On the next step, this finger should move off and clear the segment. This position may be checked at the tabs marked 2-5-10-14 and 18. If the printed circuit disc is not properly positioned , the 2 hex head screws and the locking screw in the upper right hand corner of the disc should be loosened slightly to allow the disc to be rotated to the proper position by tapping at a corner. When the proper position is reached, the 2 hex head screws should be tightened securely and then the locking screw tightened securely.

2. ZERO SWITCH

If the printed circuit disc is moved to properly position it relative to the finger wiper, then the zero stop (rubber washer under the hex head screw on the carriage and switch assembly) should be checked relative to the step up pawl and the nylon ratchet drive on the reverse side of the counter unit. This adjustment may change because the zero stop is mounted on the carriage assembly which mounts to the printed circuit disc.

To check the setting of the zero stop, step the unit manually several steps. Now rotate the spiral cam manually until the unit has made 1 rotation of at least 360 degrees or 100 steps. Manually depress the plunger on the reset coil to the bottom of the coil and allow the unit to reset to zero. This will latch both pawls out of the ratchet teeth (to insure zero position). First stop on unit must allow step up pawl to clear tooth on ratchet to pick up for first step. Repeat several times to insure seating on rubber zero stop. If the step up pawl does not pick up ratchet tooth for first step, the hex head screw retaining the rubber stop should be loosened sufficiently to allow rotation of the rubber stop (which is eccentric) and position it to stop the unit in the proper position. Tighten the hex head screw to hold the rubber stop securely and recheck the position as previously described.

3. OUTBOARD WIPER (A-2462- 1a)

If the printed circuit disc has been moved, the outboard wipers on the carriage assembly should be checked and properly positioned if necessary.

To check top wiper which carries the 100 step circuit, step unit to 100 steps position. The top finger of the wiper should be off of the contact segment and have enough clearance so that the circuit stays open when the carriage is moved manually to the extremities of the clearances. If adjustment is necessary, the 2 screws holding the wiper assembly should be loosened sufficiently to allow the wiper assembly to be moved to the proper position and when properly positioned, tightened securely. To check the lower wiper which carries the 150 step circuit repeat the procedure above when the unit is stepped to the 150 step position.

[wolftalk]

oh, the CO trace.


the problem with the outboard wipers on the carriage is they move a pretty small amount for each unit step (where step = coin ejected).


it would be difficult to position the outboard wipers to fall off the trace exactly on the right coin, so instead they use the unit wipers on the CO trace to finish up the last few coins after the outboard wipers are off their traces. 

put another way, the large payouts don't end as soon as the outboard wiper leaves the trace.  Payout ends when the outboard wipers are off the trace AND the unit wipers step off the end of the CO trace they are on.


your goal when adjusting the outboard wipers is to have them leave the trace a few steps before payout amount ... e.g. if the pay is 100, the outboard wiper should be off the 100 trace at or before step 95+/-.  As long as the regular wipers are on a CO trace, they will take over and complete the pay to the right amount.

[puckhead]

i was able to fix the runaway payouts on the higher pays. the spring was overwound, and it could not step up enough . unwound 1 turn, all good.  however, i still get the extra coin. i havent be able to wrap my head around how it works, or how its out of adjustment. if i have the fingers in the position shown in the pic i uploaded, at reset with the zero switch open, i get payouts, with one extra coin. if i back off the stop bumper to get those fingers just off the traces, i get no payouts at all. the first step up from that position does get the fingers on to the traces, as in the pic.. and open the zero switch.  id like to get it correct, but im pretty happy with how far ive gotten.

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[wolftalk]

wrt to how it works....an example.   If the reels stop on a single cherry winner, the reels connect power to the '2' trace.   Since the payout counter wipers should be sitting on the 2 trace, the hopper is turned on and coins get ejected.  Every time a coin ejects, the wipers on the payout counter step counter-clockwise.  As soon as they step off the end of the 2 trace, the circuit is broken and the hopper shuts off.  Payout is over.


does that make sense to explain why payout never happens if the wipers aren't on traces to begin with?

the big trace to left of the wiper reset position is a CO trace segment.  It's not used for small payouts and doesn't come into play until 80+ (typically) coins are ejected. 

anyway, you're moving the stop bumper the wrong way.  Crank it down to move the reset position of the wipers more counter-clockwise ... closer to the right end of the 2 trace.  If you step the unit once, the wipers should still be on the 2 trace.  Step it again and the wipers should be off the 2 trace.


once you have the stop where you want it, then adjust the zero switch by bending the blades so the switch is open at reset, closed when the unit steps once.

[puckhead]

your advice was dead nuts on, it works like a champ now. it makes sense now, looking at the zero switch. it was rider high, when sense said the blades should have been much more horizontal. they were riding upward, due to the stop maladjustment. now they look like they should. and it pays as it should. thanks so much