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Bally Slot Machine
« on: Yesterday at 02:32:20 PM »
Hi, All:

New member, possibly won't be here long, depending what folks here tell me. 

I'm a 71 year old retired electronics technician, having spent my last 27 years at a local hospital taking care of medical imaging machines.  (Xray, CT, MRI etc.)  Before that I was an FCC licensed 2-way radio technician for Motorola.  My main hobby is restoring antique tube type radios.  I also play Dobro (poorly) in a Bluegrass band, golf (also poorly) a couple times a week, make my own real Brandy, do amateur astronomy, and take care of 10 acres in central Missouri.  I will attempt to repair almost anything.  I have done several jukeboxes, pinball machines, arcade games, vintage small appliances and, again, almost anything, the older the better.  Enough with the introductions.  Now to the business at hand.  I hope I selected the correct forum for the following:

 Wednesday My cousin brought me a late 70s "cocktail" version Space Invaders game and a Bally mechanical slot machine from Arizona in the hopes I could repair them.  I have the Space Invaders game working and turned to the slot machine.  This is my first slot machine.  I can't find any model or serial number information on it.  I haven't looked at the underside, though.  Once I got the lock freed up I opened it up and got some pretty bad news.  There is obviously a large sub chassis missing.  I know nothing about slot machines, but would guess it is a power supply and some sort of elaborate coin handling mechanism.  I'm also guessing that this is likely to be very difficult to obtain. 

So, a few questions:

1:  Can anyone ID this machine?
2:  Is there any chance I can obtain the missing chassis, and how much would it likely cost?
3:  Looks to me like it might need a specifically designed lower half that it would rest on, also missing.  Is this something I could build (I'm a pretty good woodworker and metal worker)  or would I also need to find that?  If so, some idea of it's cost.
4:  I'm a pretty darn good fixer, but this does look a bit intimidating.  Is it likely that there is too much specific technical education required for even a very experienced repair guy like me to overcome in a reasonable amount of time?

Thanks!!

Mike
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Re: Bally Slot Machine
« Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 05:10:43 PM »
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Tube type radios, dobro, golf, astronomy and... BRANDY???  :yes: :yes: :yes:  :love_whiskey:
You're in the right forum!
Can you post a close up shot of the reel assembly? This might be an Bally E series machine but I can't tell until I see the reel reader boards in-between  the reels. Or it's just a Bally EM.  Corrected!!
You're missing the hopper... not too hard to find. Hopefully an EM tech will reply here soon... perhaps member Badbaud, Wolftalk, or maybe Chris-socal.
Give 'em a little time. This is an all volunteer forum.
Again, welcome to NLG.  :wave:
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Re: Bally Slot Machine
« Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 05:30:12 PM »
Welcome!!

It's a Bally EM. Go to www.slotmachinerepair.com and click on Helpful PDF's and download the free Bally EM #2400 service manual.
Many techs here work on the EM series so post your questions here and someone will respond.
Let them that don't want any, have memories of not getting any.

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Re: Bally Slot Machine
« Reply #3 on: Today at 07:30:32 AM »
Hi, Badbaud!

You already come recommended by a previous post!  Thanks for your reply. 

Before I get into service manuals and troubleshooting, I would like to have some idea where this is going financially.  It looks like I need this "coin hopper" sub chassis, and probably a stand before I can even start.  Can you give me at least a WHAG what the cost will be and what is the likelihood that I will be able to obtain these missing components?  I know nothing about these machines, and I'll need to give Mark some idea before I start on it.  I'd rather not get immersed in the project only to have my customer say he doesn't want to spend what it will take to get it going. 

I won't lie, the machine looks pretty intimidating, and has been stored in a damp basement for years.  I really like a good challenge, but I'm trying, in my old age, to learn to look before I leap.

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Re: Bally Slot Machine
« Reply #4 on: Today at 09:00:10 AM »
In my opinion, most EM issues cost nearly nothing to fix... it's a matter of proper troubleshooting; checking wiring, contacts, relays, solenoids, etc. I'm not speaking for myself! I struggle with these but you've already had enough similar circuitry experience to do this.
I've found slot stands on Craigslist at times. The easiest thing is just repurpose a heavy duty night stand or wooden file stand. If you search "slot stands" on the entire forum, you'll get some great ideas.
Most importantly, bolt that slot down on the cabinet!  :yes:
As for the hopper, best thing is post a WTB in the Newlifegames Classifieds. They're on eBay occasionally but you'll need to figure out the model number you need. Any of those three members I mentioned will likely know. Actually, the model # should be in the manuals Badbaud referred you to.
Member wolftalk may chime in soon. He's got an extensive amount of documentation for the Bally EM as well.
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Re: Bally Slot Machine
« Reply #5 on: Today at 10:42:39 AM »
Hi, Mark:

Thanks for the encouragement!  I  think I can probably do it.  I remember my first jukebox, a Wurlitzer 2700.  After getting a good manual, it took me most of a month to learn the vernacular and the correct names of parts so the guys on the forum could help me.  I suspect this will be the same, and I am kind of dreading that, as memorization has never been my strong suit and is worse at 71.  Before I invest that kind of time, I really need some idea where I will be at financially.  Hopefully someone here can help me with a part number for the missing chassis and some idea what it should cost.  Looking at that 24 pin connector, I imagine it is something fairly complex.

Concerning the stand, I see what looks to be a coin chute that exits through the bottom of the machine.  Not knowing what it is for, I have to presume any stand will have to accommodate that, and whatever goes beneath it.

I'll wait to hear from the experts.  I'll be out of town until tomorrow evening.  I'll check my email then.

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Re: Bally Slot Machine
« Reply #6 on: Today at 05:06:38 PM »
That coin chute is the overflow. When the hopper gets to a certain weight (you can set it) it "leans" on a switch that activates a diverter, directing the money down to a bucket below in the (locked) stand. If you look at where the coins drop in, inside the door, you should see the diverter coil. There's also a lockout behind the coin mechanism. That engages when the highest amount of coins are inserted, usually 1 - 5 depending on the machine. I can't quite see yours... the photo is too small - 3 maybe? When the lockout engages, any additional coins inserted will simply fall in the tray.  :propeller:
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Re: Bally Slot Machine
« Reply #7 on: Today at 05:13:35 PM »
the hopper has the payout counter stepper unit on it (like bally EM pinballs).  The disc on the hopper just needs to support the payouts listed on your glass.

the model number is supposed to be on a plate on the outside of the cabinet below the handle, but it's not unusual to be missing or the wrong one.

is there anything written in black sharpie on the reel mechanism or the contact plates the reel wiper arms are swiping across?

if that's no good, there should be codes stamped into the slotted metal index discs next to each reel ... what are they?

"yankee doodle dandy" could be model 1072, which I don't have much info on.

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Re: Bally Slot Machine
« Reply #8 on: Today at 06:23:41 PM »
That coin chute is the overflow. When the hopper gets to a certain weight (you can set it) it "leans" on a switch that activates a diverter, directing the money down to a bucket below in the (locked) stand. If you look at where the coins drop in, inside the door, you should see the diverter coil. There's also a lockout behind the coin mechanism. That engages when the highest amount of coins are inserted, usually 1 - 5 depending on the machine. I can't quite see yours... the photo is too small - 3 maybe? When the lockout engages, any additional coins inserted will simply fall in the tray.  :propeller:
In the casino the "drop money" that is diverted into the bottom drop hole is collected late at night in a ritual called "the drop" and is operated by the "drop team" who are escorted by a team of security guards.
The drop money is counted and that is the profit for the casino. Those coins are rolled up to produce rolls of quarters and nickles which are taken to the change booth and sold to the casino customer
to play in the games.
The money that is vended and falls into the hopper is kept there and is not considered casino profit, it is called the "players money". If the hopper  is too full the weight of the excess coins tilts a "weight switch" on the hopper and opens the diverter flap to allow the coins to fall into the drop.
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