BB3 Games

[Newbooty]

Hello,

I have been enjoying Wonka and Super Teams. I like the action with Super Teams and the progressive is fun also.   I also have the Illinois  Multigame which I enjoy Monopoly and Elvis.  The only problem with Illinois multigame is that Denom is only 1 cent.  The game chest 14 just seems boring to me.  The only game that has real fun bonuses is Goldfish. Lil Red is just ok.

Are there any other fun bonus games for the BB3 or am I just stuck with Wonka and Super Teams?  Are the multi-games in the game chest slim-down versions that might have been stripped of any fun bonuses?

 

[The laneman]

The Jetsons is pretty good.

[Newbooty]

Do the Jetsons look normal on the standard screens?

[The laneman]

Yes

[Newbooty]

Wow that's good to know.  It looks like fun.  Is it made for the BB3?  When you spin the wheel does it use the upper monitor?

[rickhunter]

Yes, this game was originally on a bb2 converted to cpunxt3.x.  The "wheel" was just the top monitor with the jetson's themed plastic that covered the part of monitor that was not used.  It is a great game.

Most of the games for the BB3 were highly volatile games that just concentrated on the free spins bonus for the big payouts, but there are a few exceptions.  These are some ofmy favorites for the bb3.

Aladdin's Magic Quest
Bier Haus on Tap
Dragon Mistress
Egypt Winning Streak Progressive
Happy Days (just because I like the music)
Invaders More Moolah
Iron Man Deluxe (Top screen plays sideways on standard cabinets)
Lord of the Rings Return of the King (Top screen plays sideways on standard cabinets)
Lord of the Rings Rivendale (Top screen plays sideways on standard cabinets)
Sweet Drops

[sccarlso]

I've been trying to get the regular Ironman game to work on my BB3.  Driving me nuts for days!  Willy Wonka plays perfectly so video and other components are fine.

Since it's a Gamefield title, the original machine of course needs the 32" lower touchpanel.   Have one on order (well, backordered), but the guy I bought the game from was able to get it to load and play on his upgraded BB2 without the gamefield touch panel just fine.  Which is REALLY confusing...

It's jumpered, and I confirmed my cabinet is being detected as a gamefield xD.  Wondering if the cabinet type is the issue, and it needs to be set to a different cabinet type for Ironman to run on it without the 32” gamefield touchscreen present & only the OEM BB2 touchscreen being detected & initialized.

I connected two 32” 1920x1080 displays and I can load the game fine, no tilts, goes to the initial setup screen.  I have to leave the BB2's 22" OEM touchscreen connected, no video, just the touchscreen connected. Otherwise it halts for no touchscreen detected.  And the touchscreen is only needed to complete initial setup of the machine.

But once I reach the initial setup screen after loading.  If I just tap the blank touchscreen, it immediately core dumps with “couldn’t compile keymap” and “cannot find mode 1920x1080”.

My guess is the game itself doesn’t like the BB2s OEM touchscreen for not having a 1920x1080 keymap as it’s a different resolution.  I don’t think the OEM BB2 touchscreen has a 1920x1080 keymap, so I think once the Ironman game is loaded, when it gets feedback from the touchscreen…and it doesn't see a keymapping for 1920x1080 size, that makes it crash. 

But since his works fine like this, with two 32" displays and just the BB2's 22" OEM touch controller connected, there must be something else set on his machine so it works on his.  Perhaps a different cabinet jumper configuration in place?  Or an EDID detective box on the display cable?  Once initial setup is done, while he can't make the proper touches on one of the bonuses without a 32" touch screen so it's hung, he can use the OLED panel to bet and spin, as well as get past any of the other bonuses without the 32" touchscreen and just two 32" 1080 displays.

Thanks in advance!  Any suggestions or ideas are totally welcome!  I'll try anything!  My bet is on a different cabinet type but I've tried all sorts of combinations.  Maybe just not the correct combination!  Some of them just make the primary display garbled.  But with any cabinet setting I've tried, just touching the BB2 touchscreen always crashes it with the same error after the game is loaded.   Don't know of anything else I can set with the BB2's OEM touchscreen still connected so it doesn't halt for no touch panel found, yet won't crash the game when it is connected!  lol

I'd be happy even if it displays sideways just to see it functional until I get the actual 32" touch screen.

[sstiglich]

I've been trying to get the regular Ironman game to work on my BB3.  Driving me nuts for days!  Willy Wonka plays perfectly so video and other components are fine.

Since it's a Gamefield title, the original machine of course needs the 32" lower touchpanel.   Have one on order (well, backordered), but the guy I bought the game from was able to get it to load and play on his upgraded BB2 without the gamefield touch panel just fine.  Which is REALLY confusing...

It's jumpered, and I confirmed my cabinet is being detected as a gamefield xD.  Wondering if the cabinet type is the issue, and it needs to be set to a different cabinet type for Ironman to run on it without the 32” gamefield touchscreen present & only the OEM BB2 touchscreen being detected & initialized.

I connected two 32” 1920x1080 displays and I can load the game fine, no tilts, goes to the initial setup screen.  I have to leave the BB2's 22" OEM touchscreen connected, no video, just the touchscreen connected. Otherwise it halts for no touchscreen detected.  And the touchscreen is only needed to complete initial setup of the machine.

But once I reach the initial setup screen after loading.  If I just tap the blank touchscreen, it immediately core dumps with “couldn’t compile keymap” and “cannot find mode 1920x1080”.

My guess is the game itself doesn’t like the BB2s OEM touchscreen for not having a 1920x1080 keymap as it’s a different resolution.  I don’t think the OEM BB2 touchscreen has a 1920x1080 keymap, so I think once the Ironman game is loaded, when it gets feedback from the touchscreen…and it doesn't see a keymapping for 1920x1080 size, that makes it crash. 

But since his works fine like this, with two 32" displays and just the BB2's 22" OEM touch controller connected, there must be something else set on his machine so it works on his.  Perhaps a different cabinet jumper configuration in place?  Or an EDID detective box on the display cable?  Once initial setup is done, while he can't make the proper touches on one of the bonuses without a 32" touch screen so it's hung, he can use the OLED panel to bet and spin, as well as get past any of the other bonuses without the 32" touchscreen and just two 32" 1080 displays.

Thanks in advance!  Any suggestions or ideas are totally welcome!  I'll try anything!  My bet is on a different cabinet type but I've tried all sorts of combinations.  Maybe just not the correct combination!  Some of them just make the primary display garbled.  But with any cabinet setting I've tried, just touching the BB2 touchscreen always crashes it with the same error after the game is loaded.   Don't know of anything else I can set with the BB2's OEM touchscreen still connected so it doesn't halt for no touch panel found, yet won't crash the game when it is connected!  lol

I'd be happy even if it displays sideways just to see it functional until I get the actual 32" touch screen.

Hi, have you made progress on this? I have a new NXT3.2 conversion with the Gorilla Chief II game, and it has the exact same behavior, touch the touch screen at setup and it crashes. I have not made any changes to the cabinet ID (I expected a proper error if this is the issue) nor do I have any scaler attached.

TIA, Steve

[Newbooty]

Hands down for fun of play INVADERS PLANET MOOLAH seems to be the best BB3 game.  I still think Wonka has great graphics and is polished, but moolah keeps my attention. 

[sccarlso]

I've been trying to get the regular Ironman game to work on my BB3.  Driving me nuts for days!  Willy Wonka plays perfectly so video and other components are fine.

Since it's a Gamefield title, the original machine of course needs the 32" lower touchpanel.   Have one on order (well, backordered), but the guy I bought the game from was able to get it to load and play on his upgraded BB2 without the gamefield touch panel just fine.  Which is REALLY confusing...

It's jumpered, and I confirmed my cabinet is being detected as a gamefield xD.  Wondering if the cabinet type is the issue, and it needs to be set to a different cabinet type for Ironman to run on it without the 32” gamefield touchscreen present & only the OEM BB2 touchscreen being detected & initialized.

I connected two 32” 1920x1080 displays and I can load the game fine, no tilts, goes to the initial setup screen.  I have to leave the BB2's 22" OEM touchscreen connected, no video, just the touchscreen connected. Otherwise it halts for no touchscreen detected.  And the touchscreen is only needed to complete initial setup of the machine.

But once I reach the initial setup screen after loading.  If I just tap the blank touchscreen, it immediately core dumps with “couldn’t compile keymap” and “cannot find mode 1920x1080”.

My guess is the game itself doesn’t like the BB2s OEM touchscreen for not having a 1920x1080 keymap as it’s a different resolution.  I don’t think the OEM BB2 touchscreen has a 1920x1080 keymap, so I think once the Ironman game is loaded, when it gets feedback from the touchscreen…and it doesn't see a keymapping for 1920x1080 size, that makes it crash. 

But since his works fine like this, with two 32" displays and just the BB2's 22" OEM touch controller connected, there must be something else set on his machine so it works on his.  Perhaps a different cabinet jumper configuration in place?  Or an EDID detective box on the display cable?  Once initial setup is done, while he can't make the proper touches on one of the bonuses without a 32" touch screen so it's hung, he can use the OLED panel to bet and spin, as well as get past any of the other bonuses without the 32" touchscreen and just two 32" 1080 displays.

Thanks in advance!  Any suggestions or ideas are totally welcome!  I'll try anything!  My bet is on a different cabinet type but I've tried all sorts of combinations.  Maybe just not the correct combination!  Some of them just make the primary display garbled.  But with any cabinet setting I've tried, just touching the BB2 touchscreen always crashes it with the same error after the game is loaded.   Don't know of anything else I can set with the BB2's OEM touchscreen still connected so it doesn't halt for no touch panel found, yet won't crash the game when it is connected!  lol

I'd be happy even if it displays sideways just to see it functional until I get the actual 32" touch screen.

Hi, have you made progress on this? I have a new NXT3.2 conversion with the Gorilla Chief II game, and it has the exact same behavior, touch the touch screen at setup and it crashes. I have not made any changes to the cabinet ID (I expected a proper error if this is the issue) nor do I have any scaler attached.

TIA, Steve

None at all unfortunately.   Various cabinet IDs.  But if I load only a 19.x OS with no game, it doesn’t crash when the touchscreen is touched.  The cabinet type shows Gamefield xD.   Yet both displays remain horizontal when they should both format vertical.

So the touchscreen crash is limited to something specific to OS 18.X

I have been able to get at least the top screen to display vertical with trial and error on grounding J10 pins.  So there must be a “correct” combination of jumpers on both J10 & J14 to get both to display vertical.   I’ve just not found it yet. 

Hoping someone might know exactly which jumpers will result in both displays being sideways…

If I can get them to do that.  I think it’ll be good on the displays.

The touch reboot is a mystery.  Plus It displaying “AMD Unsupported Hardware” on the corner of the screens.  I have an E6760 video card and only the less powerful E4690 had recalls on it.  Would like to know what causes that unsupported on the screen.  Doesn’t seem logical that it needs the slower E4690 card.  But I’m told it shouldn’t cause problems.

I’d try an E4690 if I could get my hands on one.   Would rule things in or out as issues!

But I don’t think the video & touchscreen crash are related.

My true, brand new OEM 32” Gamefield screen from Ceronix should arrive tomorrow.

So I’ll be able to see if it has to do with the actual EDID sent by the screen.  And also see how having the USB touchscreen instead of the BB2 serial touchscreen connected takes care of the touchscreen crash issue.   The Gamefield also only has two small oled buttons on each side.  Would like to get them if I had a part number or what they’re called on a Gamefield machine. But others that got it working had no problems with the regular oled button deck. 

If anyone has insight on a Gamefield setup that would be so helpful! 

Will post what happens with the real GF display/touchscreen hooked up!

Just hoping that in itself clears the issues.  Fingers crossed!

[sccarlso]

Got the GameField touchscreen in, the hardware works great!  A 32" vertical NEC display and the GF touchscreen.  No crash when tapping the GF touchscreen! 

What's driving me nuts is that games other than Ironman work perfectly.  The dang OS 18.02 Ironman needs is just junk compared to H19.01.  Won't calibrate the touchscreen properly so I still can't get past initial setup. Like it's trying to calibrate a horizontal screen when it's displayed vertical. So once calibrated in the H18.02 OS, it has no touchscreen test function or anything.  So basically touch doesn't work after you calibrate in OS 18.02! 

The only way I got limited touch function is if I cleared and loaded just the OS H19.01, calibrates perfectly and Wonka loads and runs perfectly.  Even took a pic of diagnostics > machine info to see that it's showing it is a GamefieldxD cabinet being detected.

Apparenly it remembers the calibration from the 19.01 OS even after clearing and loading OS 18.02.  But touch is still so off I can't complete initial setup.  And if I try to calibrate in the 18.02 OS, then the touchscreen doesn't even respond afterwards.  I can recalibrate over and over and the touchscreen always responds to calibration touches.  But there isn't even an option to exit calibration!  Or even a touchscreen test button as in OS 19.01.  After touching the two hash marks in calibration it just goes back to the "turn key to calibrate touchscreen" over and over, like it isn't saving the calibration.  I can only exit "sometimes" by closing the door switch to exit, but then if I go back into setup, no touchscreen response anymore at all. Can't believe OS 18.02 is that bad.  Has to be something else going on here, but only occurs with ONE game title?     

Running out of ideas for why this one game is being so touchy.  Cabinet is seen as a GameFieldxD, video is just fine.  So just looking at more obscure potential issues.

Found this reference, so I'm wondering if it could be due to the much newer bios?

ME-WMS000055 WMS Iron Man S85E-000-1020 85E1020_OS3007_139111_2010.bin NSOS-000-3007 NBOT-00003-2010 SJUR-000139-111 GFxD

The Bios listed is NBOT-00003-2010 and NSOS-000-3007 (OS 18.03)

My current bios is NBOT-0003-2021v0.00.89

11 years between bios revs is a long time.  But wondering if that could be a cause.

If anyone has a Bios NBOT-00003-2010 (or even close) just to see if it makes a difference.  Or even some kind of PSR (or whatever WMS calls them) with game specific information like hardware required and such that IGT has for its game titles.    Do these even exist for WMS game titles???   If so, does anyone have a PSR type doc for this game ID for Ironman?

Thanks!

[Jamrcngal]

I really like sweet drop, it keeps me entertained. Wish it had better music 😜

[sccarlso]

Got the GameField touchscreen in, the hardware works great!  A 32" vertical NEC display and the GF touchscreen.  No crash when tapping the GF touchscreen! 

What's driving me nuts is that games other than Ironman work perfectly.  The dang OS 18.02 Ironman needs is just junk compared to H19.01.  Won't calibrate the touchscreen properly so I still can't get past initial setup. Like it's trying to calibrate a horizontal screen when it's displayed vertical. So once calibrated in the H18.02 OS, it has no touchscreen test function or anything.  So basically touch doesn't work after you calibrate in OS 18.02! 

The only way I got limited touch function is if I cleared and loaded just the OS H19.01, calibrates perfectly and Wonka loads and runs perfectly.  Even took a pic of diagnostics > machine info to see that it's showing it is a GamefieldxD cabinet being detected.

Apparenly it remembers the calibration from the 19.01 OS even after clearing and loading OS 18.02.  But touch is still so off I can't complete initial setup.  And if I try to calibrate in the 18.02 OS, then the touchscreen doesn't even respond afterwards.  I can recalibrate over and over and the touchscreen always responds to calibration touches.  But there isn't even an option to exit calibration!  Or even a touchscreen test button as in OS 19.01.  After touching the two hash marks in calibration it just goes back to the "turn key to calibrate touchscreen" over and over, like it isn't saving the calibration.  I can only exit "sometimes" by closing the door switch to exit, but then if I go back into setup, no touchscreen response anymore at all. Can't believe OS 18.02 is that bad.  Has to be something else going on here, but only occurs with ONE game title?     

Running out of ideas for why this one game is being so touchy.  Cabinet is seen as a GameFieldxD, video is just fine.  So just looking at more obscure potential issues.

Found this reference, so I'm wondering if it could be due to the much newer bios?

ME-WMS000055 WMS Iron Man S85E-000-1020 85E1020_OS3007_139111_2010.bin NSOS-000-3007 NBOT-00003-2010 SJUR-000139-111 GFxD

The Bios listed is NBOT-00003-2010 and NSOS-000-3007 (OS 18.03)

My current bios is NBOT-0003-2021v0.00.89

11 years between bios revs is a long time.  But wondering if that could be a cause.

If anyone has a Bios NBOT-00003-2010 (or even close) just to see if it makes a difference.  Or even some kind of PSR (or whatever WMS calls them) with game specific information like hardware required and such that IGT has for its game titles.    Do these even exist for WMS game titles???   If so, does anyone have a PSR type doc for this game ID for Ironman?

Thanks!

Just to close this out, all issues were from it not having a E4690 video card!  All Gamefield machines have that specific card. 

Some Gamefield titles might work with the newer card, but some do goofy things!
Replaced with an E4690 and all titles load and play perfectly!  👍

[Jamrcngal]

Can you share a picture of your machine with the new screen? Thanks

[Newbooty]

Where did you get sweet drops from?  That game looks fun

[sccarlso]

Can you share a picture of your machine with the new screen? Thanks

Have a few titles.  But Beetlejuice is catchy.

[Jamrcngal]

That looks great.  What's holding the monitors in place? Did you add something to your cabinet?  I'm thinking I should get a bb2 just to be able to mod it like this 

[Jamrcngal]

Where did you get sweet drops from?  That game looks fun

. I got it from the classifieds on here.

[sccarlso]

Many ways to mount the 43” top screen.  Just personal preference I guess.  Just need to use a lightweight screen.  Over like 15lbs and the machine will tend to lean forward.  Don’t want it falling on someone!  lol  Under 15lbs and it’s fine.

And good BB3 or Gamefield titles aren’t cheap as all but two BB3 titles are dongle games.  All Gamefield titles are.

Pretty certain that all Gamefield titles are leased theme games that expired, so the Gamefield machines disappeared from casinos years ago.  I have Ironman, Both WoZ titles, Beetlejuice, and Willy Wonka.  There’s a few more like Clue, but haven’t found the standalone version. 

But I committed to converting, as Ironman was my all time favorite.  And almost impossible to find a Gamefield machine for sale.  If so, asking price was usually $5000+ as there’s just not many out there anymore.   

Wasn’t cheap to convert.  But was far less than $5000.    Wish I could find a Gamefield button deck but can’t find any…or even a part number.   It’s split, one two button OLED on the right & a single OLED button on the left.  But the only use for the button deck is to add credits with the service button with a Tito. 

Otherwise you only use buttons on the Gamefield touchscreen.  So going to take out the perfect new deck that’s in there and just put one with dead screens but good buttons in since the Gamefield screen covers it anyway. 

What was required

Gamefield screen.  You “might” find a used one.  I didn’t, so got brand new from Ceronix.  $750 (ouch).  But 5 yr warranty.

BB2E w/NXT3.2 CPU.  And MUST have an E4690 video card in the CPU box. 

43” 4K HDTV for top display.  You can use any 1080 one as that’s its native output.  But got a HiSense 4K Roku TV that upscales for $150 at Walmart.  If not internet connected it doesn’t go to a Roku menu and remains on the HDMI input when powered on.  A good deal!

Pull both displays, stored them for spares.  And there’s a reinforced hole for cabling behind the top screen.  Used that to support a simple through hole, pole mount straight monitor arm.  Only has a 100x100 VESA plate but used an adapter for the 200x300 VESA on the HDTV so it clips on/off the arm easily.  Arm mount says 27” max.  But up to 22lbs.  TV is only 14lbs so that’s all that actually matters.  And just needs height adjustment. 

Once in place it pulls out & to the side to open the main & lower doors of the machine and goes right back after it’s closed up.

Had to make a power cable for the Gamefield screen.  But it only needs USB to the CPU & two 24v+ power lines & two grounds.   I tapped the 24v & ground wires from the original main display power cable with longer wire so I can just lift off the Gamefield screen easily to be able to open the lower door.  And for support.  The Gamefield touchscreen has holes just the right distance apart to simply attach 3” L brackets so the top edge fits right in the lower frame where the original touchscreen was.  To support the bottom of the screen, just a black painted 2x4 screwed to the bottom steel edge of the touchscreen easily braces on the belly door of the machine at the right angle.  Solid but easily lifted off and set aside for machine access. 

All set.  I’ll probably do some cabinet work to put the emotive lighting in front again but it’s solid & supported.  And even with the speakers behind the screen, kinda sounds better that way I think.

I’m sure there are many other creative ways to mount the top & the Gamefield screen.  They just need to be moved to the side or lifted off for machine access.  But that worked well for me. 

[Jamrcngal]

   This is very cool.