Bally 809-ZZN Full Restoration.

[David Walz]

Here is the reels, and wiper alignment set to the most payment. It's set up is aligned.

[Denmark]

it seems like wiper 1&2 i misaligned ?

happy hunting
Hans

[David Walz]

it seems like wiper 1&2 i misaligned ?

happy hunting
Hans

Nope, they are spot on, I checked all of them out with a meter, its the photo that's a skew. They were spot on when I cleaned and serviced them so no need for adjustments. The contacts were dirty, the mechanics were frozen, the wiring was beat up, however this was not a problem.

I serviced the reels from top to bottom, replaced chopped wiring, lubricated everything, cleaned all of the contacts, now it's slicker than snot. 

[David Walz]

All of my plastic insulators have almost dried up. I ordered more tubing for the slot machine. Somebody didn't put them back after replacing the solenoid's.

[David Walz]

Things have slowed down, I am replacing a failed solenoid or coil, parts are coming in, just takes time.

[David Walz]

it seems like wiper 1&2 i misaligned ?

happy hunting
Hans

My apologies, I went back and looked at the wipers and I was wrong, I can see #2 was out of alignment, thanks for bringing it up to my attention.

[David Walz]

My wife asked me about the slot machine repair, and why things are on hold. I had to explain to her that I don't carry a supply of parts for the slot machine. Which her next question was why didn't I get the replacement parts in the beginning of the restoration. I love my wife and how she thinks. 

I'm waiting for a micro switch.

[David Walz]

I also picked up another book. Every book I have has helped me out working on these obsessive, brain teasing, puzzling, machines.   

[David Walz]

Well, I replaced the micro switch in the handle release, that's doing just fine now. I checked out every coil on the slot machine and all of them are working..

On to the next problem.
Now I have to figure out why the coin lockout coil is not powered up. I figured out if I activate the lockout coil wire #31-1, the slot machine works.

[David Walz]

In further research I have discovered that the 31-1 wire from the lock out solenoid ends up in the upper cabinet, and is basically a dead wire. Obviously it needs to go somewhere and I have been researching where it original was from the factory.
I don't know if it is a constant power wire, A intermittent wire, so I need more research on it. As you can see the arrows in the photos point to the wire, and it is not attached to anything. The drawing shows where every wire belongs except for the 31-1 wire.
I spent a day on researching this wire.

[David Walz]

So I've figured out the first issue. The 31-1 wire does go to the odds unit on top, but it's a split wire from a odds unit switch that is NC.
Follow the wire it is a #4 on the beau plug that is a 25-1. It appeared to be a different color to me but it traced back to the #4 wire in the beau plug.

The 25-1 goes into the reels, however on the wiring diagram it clearly shows a split and I am certain that the extra 31-1 wire needs to be routed to a #30 wire.

This is beginning to sound like a soap opera. 

[David Walz]

  I started today with isolating each wire identifying the wiring circuit since the wiring diagram doesn't paint a picture of the way it's laid out.
Problem is, I can't find the yellow wire that powers the circuit.

[David Walz]

This is what I did for isolating each wire.

[David Walz]

I just looked at my 1090-1 Bally slot machine, and the coin block has a extra wire. I wounder if the power wire was missing from the 809-ZZN slot machine I am working on???

[David Walz]

I am in contact with Wolftalk, and I am getting some awesome help. 
This problem is going to be resolved, he's really knowledgeable. 

[wolftalk]

I just looked at my 1090-1 Bally slot machine, and the coin block has a extra wire. I wounder if the power wire was missing from the 809-ZZN slot machine I am working on???

you have a yellow/red (31-1) wire in both machines.

your 1090-1 has two segments of orange wire 70 directly connected to the coil, so the coil lug is not one of the ends of a daisy chain of connections.

on your 809-ZZN, you have either one segment of wire 70 or a jumper - can't tell the wire color in the pic.  Either may be ok.  If it's a jumper, it may not be orange, but the other end of it should attach to orange wire 70 - typically at the diverter coil or other nearby coil.

simple way to tell is stick a voltmeter probe on yellow wire 30 on the coin switch and other probe on the non-31-1 wire on the lockout coil.  If you measure 50VAC, you have power on the lockout coil and your issue is the 31-1 wire has no closed path to wire 30 thru whatever switches/units it should have.

if you don't have a voltmeter handy but you have a jumper, jumping wire 30 on the coin switch to the 31-1 on the lockout coil should cause the armature to pull down onto the coil top.  If not, then the wire 30 or 70 connection is bad or the coil is bad.

if the coin switch is working to release the handle, half the circuit to the lockout coil works.  You need to probe the circuit from wire 25-1 to 31-1.

the hanging end of 31-1 in the cabinet is likely for a jackpot release switch that may not be in the game.  One way the casino would handle a jackpot hand-pay was insert a coin to trip the coin relay  - which often turned off the bell.  The release switch was needed to allow they coin to be accepted when the game was in jackpot lockup. 

in any case, a dangling end of wire 31-1 is not necessarily an issue.  All you care about is a closed circuit path from wire 25-1 to 31-1.

[David Walz]

Great information,Wolftalk, I keep getting educated on this slot machine. This morning I spent some time on the wiring, with Wolftalk helping me. Several things were discovered, that need addressing. It is a continuous process figuring out wiring since Mint Casino had added extra wires in the upper half of the slot machine. I found a couple of clipped wires. Still more work. Before I cleaned up the slot machine, I had some wires, they were easy to remove in the fuse area.

You can't work on a slot machine without ohm meters, tiny wire nippers, assortment of wire strippers, lets face it, you need a lot of tools including the kitchen sink. I have several different ohm meters but my favorite is a old, worn meter that has been with me for decades.

[David Walz]

I just looked at my 1090-1 Bally slot machine, and the coin block has a extra wire. I wounder if the power wire was missing from the 809-ZZN slot machine I am working on???

you have a yellow/red (31-1) wire in both machines.

your 1090-1 has two segments of orange wire 70 directly connected to the coil, so the coil lug is not one of the ends of a daisy chain of connections.

on your 809-ZZN, you have either one segment of wire 70 or a jumper - can't tell the wire color in the pic.  Either may be ok.  If it's a jumper, it may not be orange, but the other end of it should attach to orange wire 70 - typically at the diverter coil or other nearby coil.

simple way to tell is stick a voltmeter probe on yellow wire 30 on the coin switch and other probe on the non-31-1 wire on the lockout coil.  If you measure 50VAC, you have power on the lockout coil and your issue is the 31-1 wire has no closed path to wire 30 thru whatever switches/units it should have.

if you don't have a voltmeter handy but you have a jumper, jumping wire 30 on the coin switch to the 31-1 on the lockout coil should cause the armature to pull down onto the coil top.  If not, then the wire 30 or 70 connection is bad or the coil is bad.

if the coin switch is working to release the handle, half the circuit to the lockout coil works.  You need to probe the circuit from wire 25-1 to 31-1.

the hanging end of 31-1 in the cabinet is likely for a jackpot release switch that may not be in the game.  One way the casino would handle a jackpot hand-pay inserting a coin it to trip the coin switch - which often turned off the bell.  The release switch was needed to allow they coin to be accepted when the game was in jackpot lockup. 

in any case, a dangling end of wire 31-1 is not necessarily an issue.  All you care about is a closed circuit path from wire 25-1 to 31-1.

I checked out a voltmeter probe on yellow wire 30 on the coin switch and other probe on the non-31-1 wire on the lockout coil.  It measure 50VAC.   

[David Walz]

A lot of work. I have checked out the wires and come up with this drawing.

The 70 wire is unknown, I can't find it, I really need a place to start looking.

[David Walz]

Another wiring drawing everything checked out.