Bally 809-ZZN Full Restoration.

[David Walz]

For the life of me, my brain locked up and Wolftalk helped me on the win lite. Talk about making a small mistake and unable to see it. 

After much deliberation, exhausting work, with the help of others, Wolftalk, this is where I'm at today. 

  OK, so I resolved the payout issue. The payout works the exact change after adjustments. I installed a adjustment screw to prevent the over travel of the assembly.

The payouts that work are:
Cherries
Grapes
Bells
Oranges

  What doesn't work is the:
Stars
Bells
BAR
Minty

[David Walz]

My work shop where I am working on the slot machine, kinda looks like Frankenstein laboratory.  Due to the snow, I stayed away from my other work shop, it's easier to work here. I got it cleaned up ready for the next chapter in my slot machine.

[David Walz]

Working on the BAR payouts on the slot machine, wiring is in excellent condition, for a change. 

The #2 J.P. lockup relay is not functioning, the switch is NO, so I need to look into that issue to complete the circuit.

More investigation needed. 

[David Walz]

The payouts, that were a problem was the MINTY and BAR. The issue was a outboard wiper adjustment. Once that was cleaned up, it's working now, payouts, everything is good.  Wolftalk for the guidance, I really am just pleased with everything.

[David Walz]

The hopper a was built from ground up. This is it completed, It's been a long, difficult, process. And it's really nice, wiring is perfect, switches are cleaned, serviced, the burnt ones were replaced, the 4 solenoid were checked out, serviced or replaced. The delay relay was rebuilt with new capacitor, solenoid, the switches were rebuilt. The wiring harness is Bally factory, everything was exactly perfect with the wiring, I was lucky to find a wiring harness in such good condition, nothing was altered. The beau plug/wiring was restored, all of the wires are correct in color, length, Bally factory cat gut is in place. The frame, scoop assembly, support, housing,  the hopper came from a 1967 mechanical, that was the start.

The reset pawl assembly, step up arm assembly is the best one's I have, with zero wear on them. They are not bent from adjusting, so that's awesome.

[David Walz]

More hopper photos, note the two springs the red one is newer, the old ones are not colored red. Capacitors are the problem, when they get old replace them. I worked on old radio's from the 1940's, and I learned about capacitors.

[David Walz]

More hopper pictures, the payout unit is all Bally, even the resistor. The carriage assembly is assembled from the best parts I had, everything was hand picked. One thing I've noticed is the switches get bent like pretzels when someone doesn't know what they are doing. I have spent hours straighten out each one, alignment, cleaning.

A bonus on the hopper is the Bally decal, with Las Vegas decal combined.

[David Walz]

OK, this is finally completed, all of the payouts are working. Everything is working, and best of all is I have a ton of notes if anything happens.  See, you can build a electrical hopper from scratch, restore a slot machine to peak performance, with help from this forum wizards. Nice Christmas present!
  Thanks again Wolftalk, you are awesome !!   

Merry Christmas everyone!

[David Walz]

More parts, finished work.

Wife loves the slot machine. 

[David Walz]

I don't know if I went over the meters. On this 809-ZZN the meters were a part of the problem, without them installed correctly the slot machine will not work. I spent some time having to remove the wiring that was buggered up and install new wiring per the wiring diagram.

[David Walz]

  A package arrived today. Finally, all of the meters are correct, exactly the same, and everything is working!!!!     
I asked the seller if he had a cash box label meter, and he had one.     

[David Walz]

 
12-31-2023 I'm putting the slot machine through it's winnings, it has a hiccup every now and then shorting just one nickel.
01-02-2023 this is interesting, the slot machine paid out exactly the same payout every time and I been playing it for awhile now.

  I have calibrated the contact plate exactly spot on, and the step up arm, I doubt that they are not the problem after the work I did to calibrate it. The step up arm has a adjustment I built into the base plate.

The good news is that the big wins are working exactly as they should be, the candle lights up when a large win occurs, as it should per the wiring diagram, and the bell rings. You have to admit it has come a long, long, way starting out without a hopper, wires FUBAR, hardened solid grease, switches burned out. 

[David Walz]

I'm just finishing up the small stuff that's missing..........
Found the relay cover for the hopper, I found a photo of one here as a example 

[David Walz]

the hopper itself isn't that big a deal ... any 30 pin hopper or rewiring a 30 pin plug onto a hopper would get you partway.

the problem is the payout schedule ... specifically a single cherry paying 3.   

the drawing for the payout disc that belongs to the game is w-923-219 ... which I don't have so I don't know what the M-645-xxx number on the disc itself would be.

you need a disc that can support payouts of 3, 5, 10, 14, 18, 50, 100 and 200.   It may be possible to use a more common disc that has 2, 5, and the rest and mount the disc so it takes three steps to get off the 2 trace, then you'd have to cut other traces to shorten them a little.  Alternatively, add a copper strip to lengthen the 2 trace.

you may be able to find a disc with more pay traces that you can cut short to get the lengths you need, but I don't know who has piles of discs available to hunt thru.

a last resort option is replace the glass and reel tapes to make a more common 809 variant, but it'd be a shame to lose the 3 stars in any position payout - I don't think that was common.

did you get paperwork with the game?

  So I have been working on the different payouts, everything is going great. Then I was looking at the three stars, and asked Wolftalk about them. Basically he said that the three stars can be in any position inside the window, so when I started putting the stars one up, one down at random it works, and the bell rings! It is awesome to see a slot machine come back to life 100%.

   You really need to be thankful that we still have these Bally savvy people who are willing to explain wiring issues, relay issues, everything and anything about a slot machine. Having Wolftalk email me with the instructions on repairs was invaluable, I learned a lot from him, I have taken all of his emails and printed them off so I can reference them in the future.

[David Walz]

I just got the mail and the payout relay cover came in today!  Having to start from a shell of a 1967 hopper mechanical, to a 809-ZZN hopper with all of it's parts is a challenge.

But you have to admit that the 809-ZZN slot machine having everything is quite impressive. 

[rdaniel]

I guess with those long and dark nights you have plenty of time to work on your project.

[David Walz]

I guess with those long and dark nights you have plenty of time to work on your project.

I keep busy all year around.
I don't have any issues with how light or dark it is here in Alaska. I don't have any issues with how cold temperatures are, snowstorms, and they dip into the -20's normally. I have traveled through the state where the temperatures dropped to -60+, it is no big deal. I don't have any issues with how it constantly rains in the spring, summer, fall. I don't have any issues with wind storms, we have up to 90 MPH winds. I don't have any issues with with the animal population, they were here first and they are just doing what wild animal do, provide food for people. I don't have any issues with living in the woods, dirt roads, it is quiet, peaceful, beautiful, healthy living.

And YES it's true that I have seen Russia from Alaska (Shemya island).
 

[rdaniel]

Thanks for the information

[David Walz]

Still fine tuning the slot machine, the 5 cent SLUG REJECT was toast from age, nothing worked to repair the wear and tear. The nickels were getting stuck, rejected, it was a major problem. So I said screw it and found a replacement NATIONAL 5 cent SLUG REJECT. Now everything is smooth sailing no more issues, the nickels advances without any issues, the slug rejection is minimum, coin block is working, dropping coins below is good, so life is good. 

[David Walz]

More bugs. I have discovered that the Diverter ramp was not working correctly. So, I started with the hopper and discovered that I had the micro switch wire was in the wrong place,  NO and NC were switched and things got back to coins low ramp goes in, full ramp out. Also the ramp was tweaked. Problem solved.